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I shouldnt take this so seriously but you do realize there was still a genuine revival and God used him?
I mean its not impossible for God to use a non believer.. but... hey.
I mean its not impossible for God to use a non believer.. but... hey.
We can't ignore the kinds of individuals that God calls in (1Cor 1:26-31). God can raise up whoever He wants, it is His choice not yours or mine. We may not like it and try to discredit them because of their past or present, but if God raised them up, then you have to leave them alone. If they fail, we don't judge them because they are God's servant and they shall be held up, for God is able to make them stand (Rom 14:4). If one desires to be a pastor and has all kinds of problems being in that position, they should consider whether or not God really called them to that office. They shouldn't condemn themselves but they should judge themselves (1Cor 11:31). We should not condemn them either.
We need to get it straight about the love of God in relationship to sin. Love covers a multitude of sin. Look at (James 5:20) 'Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins'. The word hide is kalupto,which means to hide, veil or hinder the knowledge of a thing. In this case we are to hinder the knowledge of a multitude (a great number) of sins, even the ones we consider to be most wicked. That's what love does and along with that, love thinks no evil (1Cor 13:5) and rejoices not in iniquity (1Cor 13:6). When we seek love we actually cover the transgression and don't repeat it less we cause division among friends (Prov 17:9). That is what the scriptures teach. We can't justify our comments that expose and repeat the sins of others by saying that they are probably not saved! That is terrible. Where's the hermeneutics of rightly dividing the word of truth in that one?
Rom 12:9,10 'Let love be without dissimulation (sincere and without hypocrisy). Abhor that which is evil ( an evil that conspires laboriously against others); cleave to that which is good (the goodness of God that ministers grace). Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another'.
We have so many problems in the church and among believers because we do not practice the love of God according to the scriptures. If you come to me and want to tell me about someone's sin, I won't listen to you and I'll tell you that. If you come to me to mention your own sin that does not involve the sin of another, then I will listen and help you in any way I can. In both cases I have exercised love according to the scriptures and this is why. Any accusation of sin or transgression must have two or three witnesses at all times, that includes against an elder of any kind. A witness is an eye witness and not someone that was told, because that would be hearsay. This was established in (Deut 19:15) and confirmed for NT believers in (Mt 18:16, 2Cor 13:1).
It was practiced according to the law of (Deut 19:15) with the women caught in adultery, who could have been rightfully stoned for her sin according to the law. However, Jesus Christ convicted those who would have condemned her to death, they left the temple and He did not condemn her but rather gave her grace to go and sin no more (John 8:1-11). The love that Christ exhibited toward the adulterous women had no guile or hypocrisy. The same kind of love was ministered to the Samaritan women at Jacob's well in (John 4:5-26) and also to the woman that came to see Jesus at Simon's house in (Luke 7:37-48) whose sins were many but she loved much because she had been forgiven much.
We need to get it straight about the love of God in relationship to sin. Love covers a multitude of sin. Look at (James 5:20) 'Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins'. The word hide is kalupto,which means to hide, veil or hinder the knowledge of a thing. In this case we are to hinder the knowledge of a multitude (a great number) of sins, even the ones we consider to be most wicked. That's what love does and along with that, love thinks no evil (1Cor 13:5) and rejoices not in iniquity (1Cor 13:6). When we seek love we actually cover the transgression and don't repeat it less we cause division among friends (Prov 17:9). That is what the scriptures teach. We can't justify our comments that expose and repeat the sins of others by saying that they are probably not saved! That is terrible. Where's the hermeneutics of rightly dividing the word of truth in that one?
Rom 12:9,10 'Let love be without dissimulation (sincere and without hypocrisy). Abhor that which is evil ( an evil that conspires laboriously against others); cleave to that which is good (the goodness of God that ministers grace). Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another'.
We have so many problems in the church and among believers because we do not practice the love of God according to the scriptures. If you come to me and want to tell me about someone's sin, I won't listen to you and I'll tell you that. If you come to me to mention your own sin that does not involve the sin of another, then I will listen and help you in any way I can. In both cases I have exercised love according to the scriptures and this is why. Any accusation of sin or transgression must have two or three witnesses at all times, that includes against an elder of any kind. A witness is an eye witness and not someone that was told, because that would be hearsay. This was established in (Deut 19:15) and confirmed for NT believers in (Mt 18:16, 2Cor 13:1).
It was practiced according to the law of (Deut 19:15) with the women caught in adultery, who could have been rightfully stoned for her sin according to the law. However, Jesus Christ convicted those who would have condemned her to death, they left the temple and He did not condemn her but rather gave her grace to go and sin no more (John 8:1-11). The love that Christ exhibited toward the adulterous women had no guile or hypocrisy. The same kind of love was ministered to the Samaritan women at Jacob's well in (John 4:5-26) and also to the woman that came to see Jesus at Simon's house in (Luke 7:37-48) whose sins were many but she loved much because she had been forgiven much.
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And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. Eph 5:11 (KJV)
2 Peter 2:1-2 (KJV)
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in ****able heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
2 Peter 2:1-2 (KJV)
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It's sad how a certain denominations are so quick to judge / label anything that might even resemble a move of God (real or not) from another denomination as a counterfeit even though there own denominations haven't had anything resembling an outbreak of the Holy Spirit since there inception centuries ago. Has anyone ever thought that the very same critical attitude inwhich you judge others is the same spirit which hinders true revival in your churches? This is a perfect example of what it means to point out the speck in someone else eye while purposely ignoring the log in your own eye. Instead of criticizing others, you should be evaluating yourselves.
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ok look i was just saying God can use anyone he wants and that is true hes God and we cant tell him what to do and i know what Todd did is wrong
and if ur gonna be a pastor u need to stop doing thoses things if u continue to do them no you shouldnt be a pastor I was only trying to say that what you did in your PAST doesnt mean God cant ever use you God can still use who ever he wants to use dispite PAST mistakes i think you totally misunderstood what i was trying to say
and if ur gonna be a pastor u need to stop doing thoses things if u continue to do them no you shouldnt be a pastor I was only trying to say that what you did in your PAST doesnt mean God cant ever use you God can still use who ever he wants to use dispite PAST mistakes i think you totally misunderstood what i was trying to say
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The funny thing is in the Bible there's this guy mentioned who's always bringing up peoples past mistakes to God... and we all know who that is...
Sticking to scripture will keep us from being led astray, but wont prevent us from following it's letter.
to quote the guy speaking on the link..
"Bill shares on the three mindsets: kingdom, political and religious. It's time for the body of Christ to turn into an adoption agency, and adopt those that no one else wants. We don't get to choose the condition of people who ask for our help."
The POLITICAL spirit says like Pilate 'I'm going to wash my hands of this situation' and distance myself so as to appear right in the eyes of the people
The RELIGIOUS spirit says in order to appear right before men they must pronounce judgement, like the religious and the woman caught in the act of adultery. They're quick to pick up stones
The KINGDOM spirit is always looking for the redemptive SOLUTION. Like the Jesus and the disciples when asking him for UNDERSTANDING on why the man was born blind, Jesus brought the solution not an answer. The Solution was healing, the solution for the woman caught in adultery was grace and Jesus empowering her not to sin again..
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The funny thing is in the Bible there's this guy mentioned who's always bringing up peoples past mistakes to God... and we all know who that is...
Sticking to scripture will keep us from being led astray, but wont prevent us from following it's letter.
to quote the guy speaking on the link..
"Bill shares on the three mindsets: kingdom, political and religious. It's time for the body of Christ to turn into an adoption agency, and adopt those that no one else wants. We don't get to choose the condition of people who ask for our help."
The POLITICAL spirit says like Pilate 'I'm going to wash my hands of this situation' and distance myself so as to appear right in the eyes of the people
The RELIGIOUS spirit says in order to appear right before men they must pronounce judgement, like the religious and the woman caught in the act of adultery. They're quick to pick up stones
The KINGDOM spirit is always looking for the redemptive SOLUTION. Like the Jesus and the disciples when asking him for UNDERSTANDING on why the man was born blind, Jesus brought the solution not an answer. The Solution was healing, the solution for the woman caught in adultery was grace and Jesus empowering her not to sin again..
Sticking to scripture will keep us from being led astray, but wont prevent us from following it's letter.
to quote the guy speaking on the link..
"Bill shares on the three mindsets: kingdom, political and religious. It's time for the body of Christ to turn into an adoption agency, and adopt those that no one else wants. We don't get to choose the condition of people who ask for our help."
The POLITICAL spirit says like Pilate 'I'm going to wash my hands of this situation' and distance myself so as to appear right in the eyes of the people
The RELIGIOUS spirit says in order to appear right before men they must pronounce judgement, like the religious and the woman caught in the act of adultery. They're quick to pick up stones
The KINGDOM spirit is always looking for the redemptive SOLUTION. Like the Jesus and the disciples when asking him for UNDERSTANDING on why the man was born blind, Jesus brought the solution not an answer. The Solution was healing, the solution for the woman caught in adultery was grace and Jesus empowering her not to sin again..
What were the qualifications for being a king over Israel? What were the qualifications for being a judge over the same? What were the qualifications of being a prophet over the same? In the church age what were the qualifications of the original apostles and prophets that were over the church? What are the qualifications for being an evangelist? We have qualifications for pastors, elders, bishops and deacons and they are very specific. I wonder how many in leadership, in and over the household of God actually live up to those qualifications and have been blameless in their entire life?
If an ordained pastor has served God for (10) years let's say, and gets married, then one of his daughters gets pregnant at an early age and becomes unruly, does that disqualify him from the pastorate? If you say yes, then the sin and unruly lifestyle of his daughter has superseded his call from God and disqualified him from the grace needed to serve as a pastor. If you say no, then you are not being true to your own convictions. What is the qualifications that God has required for us to receive the grace of His salvation? Every man that is called to serve has to walk the same way they had received Jesus Christ, by grace through faith (Eph 2:8,9; Col 2:6).
How do we apply (Rom 11:29), that clearly states that the gifts and calling of God are without repentance? Does God repent of the calling that He puts on the life of those He has chosen to serve Him? Is God not qualified to make them stand in failure as well as good standing before Him (Rom 14:4). There may be some that are in the pastoral office, that God may not have called them to, and God will reveal that to them in time. Others may be failing in their calling and God is dealing deep down in their heart, building them up where the hammer, axe or tool of iron is not heard in the house (1Kings 6:7). When God looks upon the heart and not the outward appearance, that really has a tremendous value in how God deals with us (1Sam 16:7, 2Cor 10:7). Remember the following passage;
James 1:17-20 'Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning. Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures. Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath: For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God'.
If an ordained pastor has served God for (10) years let's say, and gets married, then one of his daughters gets pregnant at an early age and becomes unruly, does that disqualify him from the pastorate? If you say yes, then the sin and unruly lifestyle of his daughter has superseded his call from God and disqualified him from the grace needed to serve as a pastor. If you say no, then you are not being true to your own convictions. What is the qualifications that God has required for us to receive the grace of His salvation? Every man that is called to serve has to walk the same way they had received Jesus Christ, by grace through faith (Eph 2:8,9; Col 2:6).
How do we apply (Rom 11:29), that clearly states that the gifts and calling of God are without repentance? Does God repent of the calling that He puts on the life of those He has chosen to serve Him? Is God not qualified to make them stand in failure as well as good standing before Him (Rom 14:4). There may be some that are in the pastoral office, that God may not have called them to, and God will reveal that to them in time. Others may be failing in their calling and God is dealing deep down in their heart, building them up where the hammer, axe or tool of iron is not heard in the house (1Kings 6:7). When God looks upon the heart and not the outward appearance, that really has a tremendous value in how God deals with us (1Sam 16:7, 2Cor 10:7). Remember the following passage;
James 1:17-20 'Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning. Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures. Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath: For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God'.
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