let me jump in here- I think that when grace speaks of religion of being bad, he means, in my opinion, stuff like saying a believer has to be prefect, how if one does not tithe , they are going to hell, that if you don't believe in a pre-trib rapture you are going to hell, if you drink a beer, you are going to hell, if you are not winning souls for Christ, you have no salvation assured to you................... I could go on and on about some of the things that have come out of some pastors and churches that do nothing but shove folks away from Christ. that is non-biblical " religion ", and grace7 has not use for it ( I feel the same way ).
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Again the whole phrase "life of Christ in me"
Anyway I do agree that people sin because they don't understand God's reality and love.
However they may understand God will provide but are just spoiled brats who want more and then become bullies and steal from others to get more.
"Confess what God says about me is true"
Does that include admitting that Holy spirit chastened you of your sin and that you need to REPENT?
How else would you know you sinned and be able to admit that what you did was WRONG?
Anyway I do agree that people sin because they don't understand God's reality and love.
However they may understand God will provide but are just spoiled brats who want more and then become bullies and steal from others to get more.
"Confess what God says about me is true"
Does that include admitting that Holy spirit chastened you of your sin and that you need to REPENT?
How else would you know you sinned and be able to admit that what you did was WRONG?
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1. There are over 6000 people active in my chuch which bases its function to resemble th NT church
2. I have seen more peopl heals from addiction (alcohol, drug and sex) at this church than any other church I have seen,
3. You know nothing of my church and r what we believe, and you need to keep your opinions to yourself, because you have no idea what my chuch is about r what it believes, (you have not even prove you know what I believe, let alone a local church of thousands)
My goodness Ariel!
I have posted this truth about "awake to righteousness and sin not " at least 20x times now but will again in my next post for those viewers that have not seen it.
There is absolutely no scripture that says that the Holy Spirit convicts the believer of sin.
This is like the belief that there were 3 wise men at Jesus's birth - that is a commonly held belief but it is a man-made tradition as there were not 3 wise men at Jesus's birth.
I could say that Daffy Duck and Donald Duck are the 2 witnesses in the book of Revelation but I would hope that someone would ask for some scripture for that belief.
You are free to believe what you want. I'll stick with what Jesus said the role of the Holy Spirit is.
Purify my heart
Let me be as gold and precious silver
Purify my heart
Let me be as gold, pure gold
Refiner's fire
My heart's one desire
Is to be holy
Set apart for You, Lord
I choose to be holy
Set apart for You, my Master
Ready to do Your will
Purify my heart
Cleanse me from within
And make me holy
Purify my heart
Cleanse me from my sin
Deep within
[video]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-yyrYYgv0Dw[/video]
God does the refining, we have to seek after that, even if it is painful.
It can be painful for a plethora of reasons.
I also ask God to reveal to me the things in my life that I am not aware that impure as well.
Proverbs 17:3
3 The refining pot is for silver and the furnace for gold,
But the Lord tests the hearts.
Let me be as gold and precious silver
Purify my heart
Let me be as gold, pure gold
Refiner's fire
My heart's one desire
Is to be holy
Set apart for You, Lord
I choose to be holy
Set apart for You, my Master
Ready to do Your will
Purify my heart
Cleanse me from within
And make me holy
Purify my heart
Cleanse me from my sin
Deep within
[video]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-yyrYYgv0Dw[/video]
God does the refining, we have to seek after that, even if it is painful.
It can be painful for a plethora of reasons.
I also ask God to reveal to me the things in my life that I am not aware that impure as well.
Proverbs 17:3
3 The refining pot is for silver and the furnace for gold,
But the Lord tests the hearts.
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Yeah G777 now you sound like Fran ABOUT eternal security demanding for scriptures that show your doctrine (that the Holy spirit chastens God's children of their sins) false that have already been given.
The holy spirit chastens God's children of their sin. You can believe it or reject it but don't lie to yourself and say God never revealed it.
Adding "unbeliever" to bible verses dos nothing but promote delusions and false doctrines.
The holy spirit chastens God's children of their sin. You can believe it or reject it but don't lie to yourself and say God never revealed it.
Adding "unbeliever" to bible verses dos nothing but promote delusions and false doctrines.
Hi Grace,
Yes I assumed that's what you meant, but I feel like there are times we especially need to use biblical terms so there's no confusion. Not everyone would understand that about sap. I wasn't exactly sure if you were referring to the Holy Spirit or not.
In our bible studies we're taught to use biblical terms ........ use the words that Jesus and our apostles used so that there's no confusion.
For the very reason we are righteous is the reason we confess our sins because they are unrighteous and we get dirty by hanging on to them. We know it and God knows it. When we do unrighteous acts (sin) we are confessing them and by doing so, the power of God and the grace of God cleanses us when we obey Him in confession because Jesus bought our forgiveness with His blood. But it's at the moment of confession that we receive forgiveness of sins we commit after the new birth.
Spurgeon says this: That is the point; and he, who says that he has no sins, will not confess them. He, who believes himself to be perfect, cannot enjoy the blessing described in this 9th verse. To deny that we have any sin, is to walk in darkness, and to show we are without the light which would reveal our sin to us, kind if we are walking in darkness we cannot be in fellowship with God.
But to see sin in ourselves from day to day, humbly to confess it, and mourn over it, is to walk in the light; and walking in the light, we shall have fellowship with God who is light. “If we confess our sins,” — The text means just this - Treat God truthfully, and he will treat you truthfully. Make no pretensions before God, but lay bare your soul, let him see it as it is, and then he will be faithful and just to forgive you your sins and to cleanse you from all unrighteousness.
Yes I assumed that's what you meant, but I feel like there are times we especially need to use biblical terms so there's no confusion. Not everyone would understand that about sap. I wasn't exactly sure if you were referring to the Holy Spirit or not.
In our bible studies we're taught to use biblical terms ........ use the words that Jesus and our apostles used so that there's no confusion.
For the very reason we are righteous is the reason we confess our sins because they are unrighteous and we get dirty by hanging on to them. We know it and God knows it. When we do unrighteous acts (sin) we are confessing them and by doing so, the power of God and the grace of God cleanses us when we obey Him in confession because Jesus bought our forgiveness with His blood. But it's at the moment of confession that we receive forgiveness of sins we commit after the new birth.
Spurgeon says this: That is the point; and he, who says that he has no sins, will not confess them. He, who believes himself to be perfect, cannot enjoy the blessing described in this 9th verse. To deny that we have any sin, is to walk in darkness, and to show we are without the light which would reveal our sin to us, kind if we are walking in darkness we cannot be in fellowship with God.
But to see sin in ourselves from day to day, humbly to confess it, and mourn over it, is to walk in the light; and walking in the light, we shall have fellowship with God who is light. “If we confess our sins,” — The text means just this - Treat God truthfully, and he will treat you truthfully. Make no pretensions before God, but lay bare your soul, let him see it as it is, and then he will be faithful and just to forgive you your sins and to cleanse you from all unrighteousness.
and the biggest point, that you or Spurgeon miss or missed, is wrote in Acts 10: Peter and Cornelius
4 You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from graceGalatians 5: Christ Has Set Us Free
walking in who light, if your cut off, and still remains , in a no context of scripture.
do you read ,anyone else post on this forum,
Jesus always chastened or rebuked the disciples for their hardness of heart and their unbelief. Personally I think He lets the natural consequences of sin take over and finally some of us see the foolishness that we are doing as the prodigal son parable shows.
The Holy Spirit is always teaching us about Christ and the things of God. He always points to the work and person of Christ.
The Holy Spirit is always teaching us about Christ and the things of God. He always points to the work and person of Christ.
Hi Desertsrose,
I agree with this principle except for the need to confess sins in order to be righteous once we have received the gift of righteousness when we hear the gospel message of Christ. Christ alone is our righteousness and there are tons of scriptures that speak to that truth.
Also the "sap" is the life of Christ which is in us by means of the Holy Spirit...
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.20 Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and eat with him, and he with me.Revelation 3
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Christians have not been properly taught what happened to them when they received Christ and believed.
That they have died on the cross with Christ and that they have been resurrected to newness of life and now are a new creation - "Behold - all things are new." 2 Cor. 5:17
And all these things are of God.
They have died - been crucified with Christ on the cross and their real life is hidden with Christ in God now.
Not knowing this truth we try to teach people to deny themselves when in fact they should be embracing who they really are now in Christ - that new creation which has been created in righteousness and holiness.
Paul says: Awake to righteousness and sin not.
Awake to who you really are now and that righteousness that is in the real you will shine forth and manifest the life of Christ to others.
The Greek word for "awake" means " to come to one's true self, to sober up to be who you are"
In my opinion - We have watered down the gospel so much that we have unwittingly taken away it's power to transform us because of erroneous teachings and instead we have created a religion called Christianity which actually denies the work of Christ and thus His grace from operating fully in our lives.
Instead of relying on the grace through faith in Christ's work and His life in us - we replace Him with rules and commandments to follow that "appear" to mimic the description that Christ and Paul give as to what the fruit of an exchanged life looks like.
The accurate preaching and teaching of the finished work of Christ is needed for the Christian to have the proper nutrients to have their mind renewed to the realities of us "being in Christ and He is in us".
When our minds are renewed to the truth of Christ's work on the cross and resurrection - this stops us from being "double-minded" and unstable.
We grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and are thus transformed in our outward behavior that reflects our true self in Christ by having our minds renewed to truth. Rom. 12:2
That they have died on the cross with Christ and that they have been resurrected to newness of life and now are a new creation - "Behold - all things are new." 2 Cor. 5:17
And all these things are of God.
They have died - been crucified with Christ on the cross and their real life is hidden with Christ in God now.
Not knowing this truth we try to teach people to deny themselves when in fact they should be embracing who they really are now in Christ - that new creation which has been created in righteousness and holiness.
Paul says: Awake to righteousness and sin not.
Awake to who you really are now and that righteousness that is in the real you will shine forth and manifest the life of Christ to others.
The Greek word for "awake" means " to come to one's true self, to sober up to be who you are"
In my opinion - We have watered down the gospel so much that we have unwittingly taken away it's power to transform us because of erroneous teachings and instead we have created a religion called Christianity which actually denies the work of Christ and thus His grace from operating fully in our lives.
Instead of relying on the grace through faith in Christ's work and His life in us - we replace Him with rules and commandments to follow that "appear" to mimic the description that Christ and Paul give as to what the fruit of an exchanged life looks like.
The accurate preaching and teaching of the finished work of Christ is needed for the Christian to have the proper nutrients to have their mind renewed to the realities of us "being in Christ and He is in us".
When our minds are renewed to the truth of Christ's work on the cross and resurrection - this stops us from being "double-minded" and unstable.
We grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and are thus transformed in our outward behavior that reflects our true self in Christ by having our minds renewed to truth. Rom. 12:2
Hi Ariel, Very useful link thank you. I have seen This process of quenching in my past; maybe I should pray Hoy Spirit make us all as strong as stainless steel.
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At the risk of using another analogy and getting chastised for it - I will do it anyways as the benefits outweigh the consequences.
This is not New Age stuff - this is an analogy from the movie called the "Invisible Man". People that have seen the movie will understand the relation to it and "putting on Christ."
We are saved by the life of the Lord Jesus Christ which is in us in our new creation. We are now learning how to walk by the spirit - which is our spirit in union with Christ by the Holy Spirit ( whom Jesus said would be in us forever - John 14:16 ).
Romans 5:10-11 (NASB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] And not only this, but we also exult in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received the reconciliation.
Living by the flesh does not stop making us a new creation in Christ. It makes us deceived by sin and distorts our view of the Lord's love and grace towards God Himself, others and ourselves.
I have found the very same thing happening in my life. The more I see Christ and what He has done - and the more I agree with His work - the more He becomes manifested in my life and the things of the flesh just have fallen off like dead leaves on a branch.
Transformation is really the emerging new man that is in Christ being manifested in our bodies while we are here on this earth.
This transformation of what already is in us in Christ in our new creation ( It is not called a "new evolution" ) can be seen by man as our minds get renewed to the truth of Christ's work for us. Rom. 12:2
We are simply "being" who we already are when we "put on Christ".
The new man in Christ is like the "Invisible Man" in the movie - when he put clothes on, people could then see him. We put on Christ and people see the new man in Christ manifested and God gets glorified.
This all happens by grace through faith in what Christ has done and we participate in it with Him for it is God who is at work in us both to will and to do of His good pleasure. He will be faithful to us. Phil. 2:13
As we learn to walk by the spirit instead of the flesh - then we experience God's kind of life in our lives and others will experience the love and grace our loving Father and Lord have for them.
I am off for the rest of the day - play nice with each other......
This is not New Age stuff - this is an analogy from the movie called the "Invisible Man". People that have seen the movie will understand the relation to it and "putting on Christ."
We are saved by the life of the Lord Jesus Christ which is in us in our new creation. We are now learning how to walk by the spirit - which is our spirit in union with Christ by the Holy Spirit ( whom Jesus said would be in us forever - John 14:16 ).
Romans 5:10-11 (NASB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] And not only this, but we also exult in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received the reconciliation.
Living by the flesh does not stop making us a new creation in Christ. It makes us deceived by sin and distorts our view of the Lord's love and grace towards God Himself, others and ourselves.
I have found the very same thing happening in my life. The more I see Christ and what He has done - and the more I agree with His work - the more He becomes manifested in my life and the things of the flesh just have fallen off like dead leaves on a branch.
Transformation is really the emerging new man that is in Christ being manifested in our bodies while we are here on this earth.
This transformation of what already is in us in Christ in our new creation ( It is not called a "new evolution" ) can be seen by man as our minds get renewed to the truth of Christ's work for us. Rom. 12:2
We are simply "being" who we already are when we "put on Christ".
The new man in Christ is like the "Invisible Man" in the movie - when he put clothes on, people could then see him. We put on Christ and people see the new man in Christ manifested and God gets glorified.
This all happens by grace through faith in what Christ has done and we participate in it with Him for it is God who is at work in us both to will and to do of His good pleasure. He will be faithful to us. Phil. 2:13
As we learn to walk by the spirit instead of the flesh - then we experience God's kind of life in our lives and others will experience the love and grace our loving Father and Lord have for them.
I am off for the rest of the day - play nice with each other....
..take it up with your post from, yesterdays posts.
Life in the Spirit, is not life ,in the logos word,
you were never to confess sin,(gentile) in the first place. if you had context to scripture. why are you worried about other religions , when you cannot maintain your own faith.
he wrote, this in romans. also
notice confess your sins to a law, you do not have, acts 15 what law, did the gentile get. if you quote paul in romans , this would line up with acts 15, but since you have no intent of finding truth of scripture .
.14 For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law.Romans 2:
Romans 8: Life in the Spirit
1 There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.2 For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and deathRomans 8: Life in the Spirit
Life in the Spirit, is not life ,in the logos word,
you were never to confess sin,(gentile) in the first place. if you had context to scripture. why are you worried about other religions , when you cannot maintain your own faith.
he wrote, this in romans. also
notice confess your sins to a law, you do not have, acts 15 what law, did the gentile get. if you quote paul in romans , this would line up with acts 15, but since you have no intent of finding truth of scripture .
.14 For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law.Romans 2:
Romans 8: Life in the Spirit
1 There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.2 For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and deathRomans 8: Life in the Spirit