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.2 Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith
17 For if, because of one man's trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man Jesus Christ.Romans 5
when did we find god s grace.
.21 I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose Galatians 2
3 Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?Galatians 3
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No offense Meggido. But any root of any faith that is not grounded in faith will lead to peoples downfall.
Look at you. You can not make one post without dogging someone, Your pride is deep. You can not just stop at what you think it right according to scripture. or just posting Gods word and letting it stand, you have to attack and belittle.
Me personally, I hope you find Gods grace. Because then you will see how Gods word stands on its own, and you do not have to attack others. Just find the peace that surpasses all understanding.
17 For if, because of one man's trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man Jesus Christ.Romans 5
when did we find god s grace.
.21 I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose Galatians 2
3 Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?Galatians 3
No offense Meggido. But any root of any faith that is not grounded in faith will lead to peoples downfall.
Look at you. You can not make one post without dogging someone, Your pride is deep. You can not just stop at what you think it right according to scripture. or just posting Gods word and letting it stand, you have to attack and belittle.
Me personally, I hope you find Gods grace. Because then you will see how Gods word stands on its own, and you do not have to attack others. Just find the peace that surpasses all understanding.
Hi Desertsrose,
I agree with this principle except for the need to confess sins in order to be righteous once we have received the gift of righteousness when we hear the gospel message of Christ. Christ alone is our righteousness and there are tons of scriptures that speak to that truth.
Also the "sap" is the life of Christ which is in us by means of the Holy Spirit...
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obviously the more we study and apply the word the more faithful and solid we get in our walk and service!
Good morning Sir , i have here your daily dose of medicine and as usual i just wonder again if your applying these words to your life and faith;
New International Version 1984 Matthew 19:16-30 The Rich Young Man Now a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?” “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments.” “Which ones?” the man inquired. Jesus replied, “‘Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honor your father and mother,’ and ‘love your neighbor as yourself.’” “All these I have kept,” the young man said. “What do I still lack?” Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.” When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth. Then Jesus said to his disciples, “I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.” When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, “Who then can be saved?” Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.” Peter answered him, “We have left everything to follow you! What then will there be for us?” Jesus said to them, “I tell you the truth, at the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or fields for my sake will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit eternal life. But many who are first will be last, and many who are last will be first.
New International Version 1984 Acts 4:32-37 The Believers Share Their Possessions All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of his possessions was his own, but they shared everything they had. With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and much grace was upon them all. There were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned lands or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales and put it at the apostles’ feet, and it was distributed to anyone as he had need. Joseph, a Levite from Cyprus, whom the apostles called Barnabas (which means Son of Encouragement), sold a field he owned and brought the money and put it at the apostles’ feet.
New International Version 1984 Acts 5:1-11 Ananias and Sapphira Now a man named Ananias, together with his wife Sapphira, also sold a piece of property. With his wife’s full knowledge he kept back part of the money for himself, but brought the rest and put it at the apostles’ feet. Then Peter said, “Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land? Didn’t it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn’t the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied to men but to God.” When Ananias heard this, he fell down and died. And great fear seized all who heard what had happened. Then the young men came forward, wrapped up his body, and carried him out and buried him. About three hours later his wife came in, not knowing what had happened. Peter asked her, “Tell me, is this the price you and Ananias got for the land?” “Yes,” she said, “that is the price.” Peter said to her, “How could you agree to test the Spirit of the Lord? Look! The feet of the men who buried your husband are at the door, and they will carry you out also.” At that moment she fell down at his feet and died. Then the young men came in and, finding her dead, carried her out and buried her beside her husband. Great fear seized the whole church and all who heard about these events.
Have a nice day?
Good morning Sir , i have here your daily dose of medicine and as usual i just wonder again if your applying these words to your life and faith;
New International Version 1984 Matthew 19:16-30 The Rich Young Man Now a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?” “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments.” “Which ones?” the man inquired. Jesus replied, “‘Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honor your father and mother,’ and ‘love your neighbor as yourself.’” “All these I have kept,” the young man said. “What do I still lack?” Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.” When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth. Then Jesus said to his disciples, “I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.” When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, “Who then can be saved?” Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.” Peter answered him, “We have left everything to follow you! What then will there be for us?” Jesus said to them, “I tell you the truth, at the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or fields for my sake will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit eternal life. But many who are first will be last, and many who are last will be first.
New International Version 1984 Acts 4:32-37 The Believers Share Their Possessions All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of his possessions was his own, but they shared everything they had. With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and much grace was upon them all. There were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned lands or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales and put it at the apostles’ feet, and it was distributed to anyone as he had need. Joseph, a Levite from Cyprus, whom the apostles called Barnabas (which means Son of Encouragement), sold a field he owned and brought the money and put it at the apostles’ feet.
New International Version 1984 Acts 5:1-11 Ananias and Sapphira Now a man named Ananias, together with his wife Sapphira, also sold a piece of property. With his wife’s full knowledge he kept back part of the money for himself, but brought the rest and put it at the apostles’ feet. Then Peter said, “Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land? Didn’t it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn’t the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied to men but to God.” When Ananias heard this, he fell down and died. And great fear seized all who heard what had happened. Then the young men came forward, wrapped up his body, and carried him out and buried him. About three hours later his wife came in, not knowing what had happened. Peter asked her, “Tell me, is this the price you and Ananias got for the land?” “Yes,” she said, “that is the price.” Peter said to her, “How could you agree to test the Spirit of the Lord? Look! The feet of the men who buried your husband are at the door, and they will carry you out also.” At that moment she fell down at his feet and died. Then the young men came in and, finding her dead, carried her out and buried her beside her husband. Great fear seized the whole church and all who heard about these events.
Have a nice day?
Hi Desertsrose,
I agree with this principle except for the need to confess sins in order to be righteous once we have received the gift of righteousness when we hear the gospel message of Christ. Christ alone is our righteousness and there are tons of scriptures that speak to that truth.
Also the "sap" is the life of Christ which is in us by means of the Holy Spirit...
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Yes I assumed that's what you meant, but I feel like there are times we especially need to use biblical terms so there's no confusion. Not everyone would understand that about sap. I wasn't exactly sure if you were referring to the Holy Spirit or not.
In our bible studies we're taught to use biblical terms ........ use the words that Jesus and our apostles used so that there's no confusion.
For the very reason we are righteous is the reason we confess our sins because they are unrighteous and we get dirty by hanging on to them. We know it and God knows it. When we do unrighteous acts (sin) we are confessing them and by doing so, the power of God and the grace of God cleanses us when we obey Him in confession because Jesus bought our forgiveness with His blood. But it's at the moment of confession that we receive forgiveness of sins we commit after the new birth.
Spurgeon says this: That is the point; and he, who says that he has no sins, will not confess them. He, who believes himself to be perfect, cannot enjoy the blessing described in this 9th verse. To deny that we have any sin, is to walk in darkness, and to show we are without the light which would reveal our sin to us, kind if we are walking in darkness we cannot be in fellowship with God.
But to see sin in ourselves from day to day, humbly to confess it, and mourn over it, is to walk in the light; and walking in the light, we shall have fellowship with God who is light. “If we confess our sins,” — The text means just this - Treat God truthfully, and he will treat you truthfully. Make no pretensions before God, but lay bare your soul, let him see it as it is, and then he will be faithful and just to forgive you your sins and to cleanse you from all unrighteousness.
Hi Grace,
Yes I assumed that's what you meant, but I feel like there are times we especially need to use biblical terms so there's no confusion. Not everyone would understand that about sap. I wasn't exactly sure if you were referring to the Holy Spirit or not.
In our bible studies we're taught to use biblical terms ........ use the words that Jesus and our apostles used so that there's no confusion.
For the very reason we are righteous is the reason we confess our sins because they are unrighteous and we get dirty by hanging on to them. We know it and God knows it. When we do unrighteous acts (sin) we are confessing them and by doing so, the power of God and the grace of God cleanses us when we obey Him in confession because Jesus bought our forgiveness with His blood. But it's at the moment of confession that we receive forgiveness of sins we commit after the new birth.
Spurgeon says this: That is the point; and he, who says that he has no sins, will not confess them. He, who believes himself to be perfect, cannot enjoy the blessing described in this 9th verse. To deny that we have any sin, is to walk in darkness, and to show we are without the light which would reveal our sin to us, kind if we are walking in darkness we cannot be in fellowship with God.
But to see sin in ourselves from day to day, humbly to confess it, and mourn over it, is to walk in the light; and walking in the light, we shall have fellowship with God who is light. “If we confess our sins,” — The text means just this - Treat God truthfully, and he will treat you truthfully. Make no pretensions before God, but lay bare your soul, let him see it as it is, and then he will be faithful and just to forgive you your sins and to cleanse you from all unrighteousness.
Yes I assumed that's what you meant, but I feel like there are times we especially need to use biblical terms so there's no confusion. Not everyone would understand that about sap. I wasn't exactly sure if you were referring to the Holy Spirit or not.
In our bible studies we're taught to use biblical terms ........ use the words that Jesus and our apostles used so that there's no confusion.
For the very reason we are righteous is the reason we confess our sins because they are unrighteous and we get dirty by hanging on to them. We know it and God knows it. When we do unrighteous acts (sin) we are confessing them and by doing so, the power of God and the grace of God cleanses us when we obey Him in confession because Jesus bought our forgiveness with His blood. But it's at the moment of confession that we receive forgiveness of sins we commit after the new birth.
Spurgeon says this: That is the point; and he, who says that he has no sins, will not confess them. He, who believes himself to be perfect, cannot enjoy the blessing described in this 9th verse. To deny that we have any sin, is to walk in darkness, and to show we are without the light which would reveal our sin to us, kind if we are walking in darkness we cannot be in fellowship with God.
But to see sin in ourselves from day to day, humbly to confess it, and mourn over it, is to walk in the light; and walking in the light, we shall have fellowship with God who is light. “If we confess our sins,” — The text means just this - Treat God truthfully, and he will treat you truthfully. Make no pretensions before God, but lay bare your soul, let him see it as it is, and then he will be faithful and just to forgive you your sins and to cleanse you from all unrighteousness.
Hi Desertsrose,
I believe in using biblical terms as well but also Jesus taught by using creation as an analogy. Jesus would say - "consider at the lilies of the fields, the birds of the air, consider how a seed grows in the ground....etc"
Paul said in Romans 1 that the invisible things of God can be clearly seen in what has been made. He said that God can be understood through what was made ( Rom. 1:20 )
I firmly believe in confessing sins - confess simply means to "agree with". I am in agreement to "confessing" everything that is contrary to the life of Christ but not to remain righteous.
I believe this false teaching that we need to confess sins "in order" to be righteous again ( which is based on a mis-application of 1 John 1:9 as John was dealing with the gnostic belief back then and addressing that belief) has done more harm to keep Christians from seeing the new creation in Christ and keep us in babyhood. It has diluted the work of the Lord Jesus Christ.
There are a few threads on 1 John 1:9 that speak to this subject. I realize that our traditional Christian teaching has perpetuated this belief that the Christian needs to confess to get righteousness back and to be cleansed again but it is 100% false in my opinion and scripturally can be proved to be inaccurate.
Ironically most bible teachers say that we shouldn't create a doctrine from one verse and yet that is what is done in 1 John 1:9. It is the blood of Jesus that cleanses us from all sin because we are in the light. A Christian doesn't go in and out of the light because Christ is in us and He is the light. 1 John 1:7
1 John 1:9 is the only place in the New Covenant where this "confessing in order to be to be cleansed from all unrighteousness" occurs and it is addressing the gnostic thought that they had no sin and thus they make God a liar. 1 John 1:10
1 John was written in about 96 AD. All of Paul's epistles are before that and there is absolutely no mention of this practice of Christians "confessing in order to get back righteousness and to stay cleansed".
Anyway - I know there are different religious beliefs about this subject but I can tell you that I have not confessed sins "in order to keep righteous" for years since I saw the truth of the new creation and Christ's work on the cross and resurrection - since then I have lived a godlier life than I ever imagined.
In the old "confessing in order to be righteous or cleansed again" days I was constantly stuck in a cycle of sin and confessing , sin and confessing - what a horrible life that was.
Now that I know the truth of Christ's work - I am finally free and the "sap" of His life - by the Holy Spirit within bears witness of this freedom and the sins of the past have dropped off like dead leaves on a tree
( Notice I didn't say that I don't confess sins because I do - but not to be righteous again or to be cleansed - for that I simply believe the gospel message in the gift of righteousness )
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God shapes the iron like a master blacksmith....if it becomes dull He casts it in His refining fire and burns off the dross.
Even if some people deny it God uses the Holy Spirit to chastens His kids of their sins and reveal who they should be.
https://www.quora.com/What-is-difference-between-tempering-annealing-normalizing-and-quenching
Even if some people deny it God uses the Holy Spirit to chastens His kids of their sins and reveal who they should be.
https://www.quora.com/What-is-difference-between-tempering-annealing-normalizing-and-quenching
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It is my understanding that to confess means to agree with God and while there other variations of the word this makes the most sense in light of ....
If you are in Jesus Christ, you have forgiveness, you don't get more forgiveness from God. "In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;" Ephesians 1:7
I think the catholic use of the word confess to seek continual forgiveness, like going to a confessional to state every sin lingers still.
If you are in Jesus Christ, you have forgiveness, you don't get more forgiveness from God. "In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;" Ephesians 1:7
I think the catholic use of the word confess to seek continual forgiveness, like going to a confessional to state every sin lingers still.
Perhaps you're searching for something very rare, & it's emotionally draining to feel like searching in vain.
You know like a gold miner desperately searching only to discover fool's gold..... only a "form" of the real thing.
I have often been caught up into such "fool's gold debates" that are absolutely worthless..... wasting days at a time on vanity & vexation of spirit.
I may not be able to comfort you, just showing you you're not alone.
You know like a gold miner desperately searching only to discover fool's gold..... only a "form" of the real thing.
I have often been caught up into such "fool's gold debates" that are absolutely worthless..... wasting days at a time on vanity & vexation of spirit.
I may not be able to comfort you, just showing you you're not alone.