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7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil. 1 Tim 3:7 (KJV)
Being a convicted child molester is far from having a good report to those outside of the church. It's actually probably the worst crime there is in our society.
from Webster's 1828--Blameless
BLA'MELESS, a. Without fault; innocent; guiltless; not meriting censure.
A bishop then must be blameless. 1 Tim 3.
Sometimes followed by of.
We will be blameless of this thine oath. Josh 2.
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ἀνεπίληπτος
anepilēptos
an-ep-eel'-ape-tos
From G1 (as a negative particle) and a derivative of G1949; not arrested, that is, (by implication) inculpable: - blameless, unrebukeable.
Being a convicted child molester is far from having a good report to those outside of the church. It's actually probably the worst crime there is in our society.
from Webster's 1828--Blameless
BLA'MELESS, a. Without fault; innocent; guiltless; not meriting censure.
A bishop then must be blameless. 1 Tim 3.
Sometimes followed by of.
We will be blameless of this thine oath. Josh 2.
G423
ἀνεπίληπτος
anepilēptos
an-ep-eel'-ape-tos
From G1 (as a negative particle) and a derivative of G1949; not arrested, that is, (by implication) inculpable: - blameless, unrebukeable.
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A bishop, then, must be blameless. This means that no charge of serious wrong can be sustained against him. It does not mean that he is sinless, but rather that if he does commit some fault, he makes it right with both God and man. He must be irreproachable, not only having an untarnished reputation, but deserving it.
That reminds me, when this revival was going on any Bentley followers were plenty quick to judge critics as having the so called "religious spirits".
In fact, the term "religious spirits" was even coined by a few of Bentley's overseers back in their day, but it seems to me to be an unbiblical concept.
In fact, the term "religious spirits" was even coined by a few of Bentley's overseers back in their day, but it seems to me to be an unbiblical concept.
And I think it is a joke, that we are told by some to "not stone the adulterer", when this person isnt' a babe in Christ, they aren't a person struggling with former sins after just having come to Christ, they are the leadership and heading what is supposed to be a major revival. Yet the revivalist himself doesn't get revived, but takes a tumble.
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Before Paul's conversion, did he have a 'good report from them without' when he was having Christians put to death under the orders of the chief priests? Tell me, what was that good report? How did the world look at what he was doing? Many that were put to death were citizens of the Roman Empire and did they get a fair trial under the law? Even Paul used his citizen status to his own advantage to have a fair trial and this was after he got in trouble by disobeyed God and going to Jerusalem when he was warned twice by the Holy Spirit through Spirit-filled disciples.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]His reputation among the Christians was one of fear because of all the slaughters and threats that he breathed out. Paul said that he did it ignorantly and God gave him mercy. But, Paul knew the law and he was very zealous and familiar with all the commandment, especially the (10) commandments God gave Moses. 'Thou shalt not kill'. He did not have any commandment that he could base justification for having Christians slaughtered. He was a murderer, so wasn't David and Moses also. Do you consider murder a pretty big sin, when all murderers will have their part in the lake of fire? Look how God used these three men and look how much of the scriptures we read and hide in our heart, that was written by these men. Where they blameless, were they above reproach? Moses had a problem with anger, in your book he would be disqualified wouldn't he. David had a problem with women but God made him king. Paul had a problem with the law and used it persecute the LORD Jesus Christ. Don't forget Sampson and his problem in the red light district. God made him a judge of Israel. Could there have been a serious charge of wrong made against any of these men?[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Would you have fellowshipped with any of these men, if you knew what that were capable of doing and had actually done in their life? Would you have raised them up as God did, and used them in his plan to fulfill His will on the earth? Would any of them have made good pastors, or elders, or bishops in your estimation? Don't give this dispensational stuff to support your premise because I have that cover also. God is the same yesterday, today and forever (Heb 13:8). I change not (Mal 3:6).[/FONT]
shakes head... he kicked people in the face & said it was the Holy spirit telling him to do it to break off a demon & heal the person. Whats sad is his followers staunchly support this and dont see how ludicris it is to have the Holy Spirit instruct in this way... Gods ways are not ours... this is how my family member responded when I brought this up... & I hope I'll have the nerve to be able to follow through if that is what the Spirit requires of me... eieiei... I told him, perhaps it was easier for Todd cause he has a history of assult? I just dont see the Holy Spirit getting you to kick or punch someone to heal. Its not biblical. this is what disturbed me the most... Not to discredit a ministry that may very well be Holy Spirit filled and brought millions to Christ, but come on... "the Holy spirit" told me to kick her in the face... think about those words... really think about them. Shakes head again and prays for her family member.
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Speaking in tongues in the Word was for signs to the Jews(1 Corinthians 1:22) and another verse:
"In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe." 1 Corinthians 14:21-22
"And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues. Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles? Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?" 1 Corinthians 12:28-30
"Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue." 1 Corinthians 14:19
If you were to study tongues in the Word you would quickly see that it was for a sign to the Jews, was used for EVANGELISM, was done in an orderly fashion, obeyed the Word of God. The charasmatic movement teaches that a believer speaks in tongues as evidence of the Holy Spirit...In other words, they think ALL believers can do it.....That is a lie as 1 Corinthians 12:28-30 shows us.....And God GAVE the gifts. "tongue" is an earthly language as used by Paul when nations heard him preach the gospel in their native language:
"Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia, Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God." Acts 2: 9-11
So tongues the way the Word uses it, was used for EVANGELISM purposes....Does the charasmatic groups today speak jibber jabber at the gas station, on the streets, ect??? NO The Word of God clearly shows the way to use tongues.....And if a group or a revival uses it in the WRONG way it is not from God because the Holy Spirit cannot contradict the Word! Familiars spirits are at work today deceiving multitudes, even Jesus warned about it!!!
"Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron" 1 Timothy 4:1-2
""The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart." Jeremiah 14:14
A surefire way to tell of a false prophet and teacher is that they preach a false gospel(Galatians 1:6-9).
"In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe." 1 Corinthians 14:21-22
"And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues. Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles? Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?" 1 Corinthians 12:28-30
"Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue." 1 Corinthians 14:19
If you were to study tongues in the Word you would quickly see that it was for a sign to the Jews, was used for EVANGELISM, was done in an orderly fashion, obeyed the Word of God. The charasmatic movement teaches that a believer speaks in tongues as evidence of the Holy Spirit...In other words, they think ALL believers can do it.....That is a lie as 1 Corinthians 12:28-30 shows us.....And God GAVE the gifts. "tongue" is an earthly language as used by Paul when nations heard him preach the gospel in their native language:
"Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia, Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God." Acts 2: 9-11
So tongues the way the Word uses it, was used for EVANGELISM purposes....Does the charasmatic groups today speak jibber jabber at the gas station, on the streets, ect??? NO The Word of God clearly shows the way to use tongues.....And if a group or a revival uses it in the WRONG way it is not from God because the Holy Spirit cannot contradict the Word! Familiars spirits are at work today deceiving multitudes, even Jesus warned about it!!!
"Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron" 1 Timothy 4:1-2
""The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart." Jeremiah 14:14
A surefire way to tell of a false prophet and teacher is that they preach a false gospel(Galatians 1:6-9).
Baptistrw,
Instead of commenting just on the last line, what about the rest of the post? Your answer is a little shallow and none committal.
Here is few another thoughts for you to consider, if you will. If God took away the Holy Spirit and grace, how would we serve God? Would we serve according to the law? Where would our righteousness come from? If we sin or violated the law, how would we deal with that before a Holy Righteous God? How would we approach God? How would we walk by faith? How would we minister to people without condemning them? What kind of salvation would we preach? How would sinners come to know and recieve God's salvation? How would the love of God be shed abroad in our heart? How would you restore our brother who fails? What kind of hope could we give people?
Without the grace of our LORD Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit we would have nothing, we would be nothing and unable to serve a living God. The next time anyone wants to judge another man's servant, just remember that without grace and the Holy Spirit in their heart, they would be nothing but a wicked sinner or a self righteous religious snake with a ministry of condemnation. That is in our Bible.
Instead of commenting just on the last line, what about the rest of the post? Your answer is a little shallow and none committal.
Here is few another thoughts for you to consider, if you will. If God took away the Holy Spirit and grace, how would we serve God? Would we serve according to the law? Where would our righteousness come from? If we sin or violated the law, how would we deal with that before a Holy Righteous God? How would we approach God? How would we walk by faith? How would we minister to people without condemning them? What kind of salvation would we preach? How would sinners come to know and recieve God's salvation? How would the love of God be shed abroad in our heart? How would you restore our brother who fails? What kind of hope could we give people?
Without the grace of our LORD Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit we would have nothing, we would be nothing and unable to serve a living God. The next time anyone wants to judge another man's servant, just remember that without grace and the Holy Spirit in their heart, they would be nothing but a wicked sinner or a self righteous religious snake with a ministry of condemnation. That is in our Bible.
Roaringkitten this topic is about Todd Bentley not about tongues.
You are talking about something (tongues) which you clearly know nothing about, and it's quite a seperate issue to Todd Bentley.
Here's a few pointers:
Sign for the Jews? Try sign for unbelievers. Unbelievers are not just Jews.
Use it to preach to people at gas stations? Well we can, and have. But they usually stare at you blankly because they don't have the gift of interpretation unfortunately, to interpret what you said to them in Hindi or whatever it is back into English. So we tongue speakers prefer to evangelise in English.
It's fine to believe that Paul evangelised in an unknown tongue which even he himself could not understand.
Much harder for you to explain how Paul lived and worked in other countries without using tongues for every day use (eg to buy a loaf of bread etc).
You are talking about something (tongues) which you clearly know nothing about, and it's quite a seperate issue to Todd Bentley.
Here's a few pointers:
Sign for the Jews? Try sign for unbelievers. Unbelievers are not just Jews.
Use it to preach to people at gas stations? Well we can, and have. But they usually stare at you blankly because they don't have the gift of interpretation unfortunately, to interpret what you said to them in Hindi or whatever it is back into English. So we tongue speakers prefer to evangelise in English.
It's fine to believe that Paul evangelised in an unknown tongue which even he himself could not understand.
Much harder for you to explain how Paul lived and worked in other countries without using tongues for every day use (eg to buy a loaf of bread etc).
Roaring I'm reading the verse as it stands, not sure where the Jews come into it:
1Co 14:22 So that tongues are not a sign to those who believe, but to those who do not believe. But prophesying is not to those who do not believe, but to those who believe.
http://www.pentecostalfreedom.org/preaching_in_tongues.html
1Co 14:22 So that tongues are not a sign to those who believe, but to those who do not believe. But prophesying is not to those who do not believe, but to those who believe.
http://www.pentecostalfreedom.org/preaching_in_tongues.html
sorry, I found this link about the myth that tongues is for preaching:
http://www.pentecostalfreedom.org/preaching_in_tongues.html
http://www.pentecostalfreedom.org/preaching_in_tongues.html
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