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You are discussing the lAW OFR kEEPING the Sabbath. Those who keep the Sabbath of the Lord separate from other days are "speaking of obehying ¨God," something that SEEms to be missing in your posts.
BUT.. the flip side of the coin is judging those as not obeying God for not keeping the sabbath day... and thus failing to recognize Jesus Christ in them for why they are guiltless for profaning the sabbath day.

To obey God under the New Covenant is to believe in Him that you can rest from obeying God to keep the sabbath day under the Old Covenant because you are guiltless under the New Covenant with Jesus Christ being in you.

That is the only obedience required from God to please Him under the New Covenant is to believe in Him to rest in Him.
 

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Here is your bottom line.........

Men say the Sabbath is no longer importan, and God says it always will be. There are levels of understanding why the Seventh day is the Seventh day and not another. First it is a prophecy of what is to come. Second but first is God said it, we who believe God do believe it, and that should settle it for all who give God credit for knowing what He has said....

Apostasy is not part of teh way of Jesus Christ..
 

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YOu who would speak in the place of God hear.

When Jesus instructed the man asking him about entering into heaven and the like, Jesus gave a few of teh commandments as recommended to obey. The man said he obeyed all of the cmmandments since childhood. Jesus responded the Kingdom of heave was not far from him and more.

Although Jesus did not list all of the commandments He did say to obey them all. Now do not say He was speaking to the Jews only or that Jesus was "under the law." Jesus came to save His own people first.

Jesus peached tghe Gospel to them. There is only one gospel, and in preaching it He most certainly included the commandments and more; He said anyone teaching against the leasst of the laws would be least in the Kigdome.

Again, He only teaches One Godpel. Do not put words in thee Mouth of the Father, The Son or the HOly Spirit.....you cannot after all.
 
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YOu who would speak in the place of God hear.
Still not addressing what Jesus was talking about in Matthew 12:1-7. Shame on you.

When Jesus instructed the man asking him about entering into heaven and the like, Jesus gave a few of teh commandments as recommended to obey. The man said he obeyed all of the cmmandments since childhood. Jesus responded the Kingdom of heave was not far from him and more.
You must have a different Bible version, because all three of the four gospels did not say that the kingdom of heaven was not far from him. Matthew 19:16-26 & Mark 10:17-27 & Luke 18:18-27 Jesus said the opposite in giving judgment on that rich man thus revealing the state of man that he cannot save himself by keeping the laws of Moses.

Matthew 19:[SUP]16 [/SUP]And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?[SUP] 17 [/SUP]And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.[SUP] 18 [/SUP]He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,[SUP] 19 [/SUP]Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.[SUP] 20 [/SUP]The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?[SUP] 21 [/SUP]Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.[SUP] 22 [/SUP]But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.[SUP] 23 [/SUP]Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.[SUP] 24 [/SUP]And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.[SUP] 25 [/SUP]When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?[SUP] 26 [/SUP]But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

Mark 10:[SUP]17 [/SUP]And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?[SUP] 18 [/SUP]And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.[SUP] 19 [/SUP]Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.[SUP] 20 [/SUP]And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth.[SUP] 21 [/SUP]Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.[SUP] 22 [/SUP]And he was sad at that saying, and went away grieved: for he had great possessions.[SUP] 23 [/SUP]And Jesus looked round about, and saith unto his disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God![SUP] 24 [/SUP]And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God![SUP]25 [/SUP]It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.[SUP] 26 [/SUP]And they were astonished out of measure, saying among themselves, Who then can be saved?[SUP] 27 [/SUP]And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible.

Luke 18:[SUP]18 [/SUP]And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?[SUP] 19 [/SUP]And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.[SUP] 20 [/SUP]Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother.[SUP] 21 [/SUP]And he said, All these have I kept from my youth up.[SUP] 22 [/SUP]Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me. [SUP]23 [/SUP]And when he heard this, he was very sorrowful: for he was very rich. 24And when Jesus saw that he was very sorrowful, he said, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God! 25For it is easier for a camel to go through a needle's eye, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. [SUP]26 [/SUP]And they that heard it said, Who then can be saved? [SUP]27 [/SUP]And he said, The things which are impossible with men are possible with God.

The only place I find that comes close to what you claim is this reference below.

Mark 10:[SUP]28 [/SUP]And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all?[SUP] 29 [/SUP]And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:[SUP] 30 [/SUP]And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.[SUP] 31 [/SUP]And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.[SUP] 32 [/SUP]And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:[SUP] 33 [/SUP]And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.[SUP]34 [/SUP]And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him, Thou art not far from the kingdom of God. And no man after that durst ask him any question.

That was a scribe testing Jesus with a question and in giving the same like answer back to Jesus was why He had said that, but it was not about that rich guy that claimed he did all of that since his childhood or youth.

You made an error in recollection, and got the two accounts mixed in together. That can happen, but do recognize your error, because the three accounts in Matthew, mark & Luke proves no man can keep the law whereas the account of the scribe in testing Jesus, was only addressing two commandments where all other laws hinged on under the Old Covenant.

But see those same commandments applied differently now as under the New Covenant.

1 John 3:[SUP]22 [/SUP]And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.[SUP]23 [/SUP]And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.[SUP] 24 [/SUP]And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

Instead of love the Lord your God with all your might, strength, and etc. you are to believe in Jesus Christ so that you can love God for what He has done and have His love to love others to do the second commandment by faith in Him.

1 John 4:[SUP]18 [/SUP]There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love. [SUP]19[/SUP]We love him, because he first loved us

Although Jesus did not list all of the commandments He did say to obey them all. Now do not say He was speaking to the Jews only or that Jesus was "under the law." Jesus came to save His own people first.
Then when the Jews question Him about His disciples ( that were also Jews ) profaning the sabbath day.. what did Jesus say in Matthew 12:1-7 ??

Jesus peached tghe Gospel to them. There is only one gospel, and in preaching it He most certainly included the commandments and more; He said anyone teaching against the leasst of the laws would be least in the Kigdome.
You have yet to prove that Jesus taught His disciples to keep the sabbath day when He was excusing them for profaning the sabbath day in Matthew 12:1-7.

Again, He only teaches One Godpel. Do not put words in thee Mouth of the Father, The Son or the HOly Spirit.....you cannot after all.
You admit that Jesus did not list all the commandments and yet you say I am putting words in His mouth when you will not even address why His disciples are guiltless for profaning the sabbath day in Matthew 12:1-7?

Are you going to address what He said about the sabbath day in Matthew 12:1-7 or not? Because as you said, He did not cite the specific commandment to keep the sabbath day when obviously His disciples were not doing that in Matthew 12:1-7 and right in front of Him & the Pharisees too.

Would you think that Jesus would be more responsible and have them collect extra food on Friday so that there be no gathering on the sabbath day? Do you think Jesus could provide for His disciples like the loaves of bread and fishes out of a basket rather than have them profane the sabbath day? And yet, apparently, there is an important message for YOU to hear regarding the keeping of the sabbath day in Matthew 12:1-7 and yet you are refusing to hear His words.

Prove to me that you love Him by addressing why His disciples are guiltless for profaning the sabbath day in Matthew 12:1-7.
 

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You are changing everyithing around, not making any sense at all, and apparently not understanding anything Jesus teaches. Maybe it is more you want others to hear you instead of Jesus.

Good night fromthis side of the Atlantic. God bless you with His wisdom.
 

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Still not addressing what Jesus was talking about in Matthew 12:1-7. Shame on you.
You are changing everyithing around, not making any sense at all, and apparently not understanding anything Jesus teaches. Maybe it is more you want others to hear you instead of Jesus.

Good night fromthis side of the Atlantic. God bless you with His wisdom.
Addressing Matthew 12:1-7
The religious Sabbath of the Pharisees is in contrast to the Sabbath, both of God and His Christ. Under these circumstances the law doesn’t prohibit picking and eating corn or wheat on the Sabbath. God’s Sabbath is an eternal truth for everyone, and not a commandment for Jews only. Exodus 20:10, Leviticus 25:6, Deuteronomy 5:14, and Isaiah 56:6. Sadly, the Jewish Sabbath had become a rigid set of Pharisaical traditions, just like the tradition of washing of hands before eating. Even though washing before eating is a good practice, it is not in the law that all people must do that. The original Sabbath according to the true law is a universal rest day and intimacy with God and His Messiah.

Jesus didn’t pluck grain Himself, even though He didn’t prohibit the disciples from doing it. Jesus, knowing well that accusation would follow, supports the freedom of His disciples against their accusers and reveals the truth of the original law without man's interpretation thereof.

“So the priest gave him hallowed bread: for there was no bread there but the shewbread, that was taken from before the Lord, to put hot bread in the day when it was taken away.” (1 Samuel 21:6)

“For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.” (Hosea 6:6)
 
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Mark 10:17 As he was going out into the way, one ran to him, knelt before him, and asked him, “Good Teacher, what shall

I do
[he focuses on himself, his abilities]

that I may inherit eternal life?”




compare to

Mark 2:5 Jesus,
seeing their faith, said to the paralytic,
“Son, your sins are forgiven you.”
 
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Addressing Matthew 12:1-7
The religious Sabbath of the Pharisees is in contrast to the Sabbath, both of God and His Christ. Under these circumstances the law doesn’t prohibit picking and eating corn or wheat on the Sabbath. God’s Sabbath is an eternal truth for everyone, and not a commandment for Jews only. Exodus 20:10, Leviticus 25:6, Deuteronomy 5:14, and Isaiah 56:6. Sadly, the Jewish Sabbath had become a rigid set of Pharisaical traditions, just like the tradition of washing of hands before eating. Even though washing before eating is a good practice, it is not in the law that all people must do that. The original Sabbath according to the true law is a universal rest day and intimacy with God and His Messiah.

Jesus didn’t pluck grain Himself, even though He didn’t prohibit the disciples from doing it. Jesus, knowing well that accusation would follow, supports the freedom of His disciples against their accusers and reveals the truth of the original law without man's interpretation thereof.

“So the priest gave him hallowed bread: for there was no bread there but the shewbread, that was taken from before the Lord, to put hot bread in the day when it was taken away.” (1 Samuel 21:6)

“For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.” (Hosea 6:6)
Thank you for addressing Matthew 12:1-7, but if Jesus was referring to the original law as you proposed, then why did Jesus gave those 2 examples in Matthew 12:1-7 in the O.T. where the saints DID PROFANE the sabbath day but they were guiltless as an example to excuse what His disciples were doing on the sabbath day?

They were guiltless because the O.T. saints were in the Temple. So why are His disciples guiltless for what He was telling those Pharisees? Because He was with them. That is what is meant when He said One greater than the Temple was here; Jesus is greater than the Temple and greater than the sabbath day for which is why He is Lord of the sabbath just as He is Lord of the Temple of the Holy Spirit which is our bodies.


Matthew 12:1At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn and to eat.[SUP] 2 [/SUP]But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day.[SUP]3 [/SUP]But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him;[SUP]4 [/SUP]How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?[SUP] 5 [/SUP]Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?[SUP] 6 [/SUP]But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.[SUP]7 [/SUP]But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.

By those 2 examples where Jesus admitted that they had profaned the sabbath day but were guiltless because they were in the Temple.... that is why His disciples were guiltless because Jesus was with them. That is the only explanation you can get out of verse 6, but only Jesus can help you see that truth in His words.
 

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Thank you for addressing Matthew 12:1-7, but if Jesus was referring to the original law as you proposed, then why did Jesus gave those 2 examples in Matthew 12:1-7 in the O.T. where the saints DID PROFANE the sabbath day but they were guiltless as an example to excuse what His disciples were doing on the sabbath day?

They were guiltless because the O.T. saints were in the Temple. So why are His disciples guiltless for what He was telling those Pharisees? Because He was with them. That is what is meant when He said One greater than the Temple was here; Jesus is greater than the Temple and greater than the sabbath day for which is why He is Lord of the sabbath just as He is Lord of the Temple of the Holy Spirit which is our bodies.


Matthew 12:1At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn and to eat.[SUP] 2 [/SUP]But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day.[SUP]3 [/SUP]But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him;[SUP]4 [/SUP]How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?[SUP] 5 [/SUP]Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?[SUP] 6 [/SUP]But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.[SUP]7 [/SUP]But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.

By those 2 examples where Jesus admitted that they had profaned the sabbath day but were guiltless because they were in the Temple.... that is why His disciples were guiltless because Jesus was with them. That is the only explanation you can get out of verse 6, but only Jesus can help you see that truth in His words.
Yes, profane and desecrate, are basically the same, i.e.treat (a sacred place or thing) with violent disrespect; violate. Illegal would be the more original term instead of profane.

This made me think of the time that unclean men couldn't take part in the Passover because they were unclean. (Numbers 9 and 2 Chronicles 30) Under King Hezekiah they could partake in the second month rather than the first as originally stated at Mount Sinai. Stipulations were already made in Numbers chapter 9. Under each circumstance, because of the grace of God, one righteous principle of the law can be observed in numerous different circumstances. This was the case with David and His men eating the "shew-bread." and Jesus and the disciples picking corn on the Sabbath day. It all boils down to righteous principles of the law such as mercy, judgement, and faith.

"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgement, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone." (Matthew 23:23)

This doesn't mean the law is pliable or changeable with a carnal mindset. The law is established by faith.

"Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be." (Romans 8:7)
"Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law." (Romans 3:31)

Keep in mind that Jesus is the Word and He also created all things. This may be hard for some to comprehend, but Jesus gave the law to Israel. Does He change? No. The book of Hebrews says He doesn't.

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But if thou shalt indeed obey his voice, and do all that I speak; then I will be an enemy unto thine enemies, and an adversary unto thine adversaries. (Exodus 23:22)


 
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They were guiltless because the O.T. saints were in the Temple. So why are His disciples guiltless for what He was telling those Pharisees? Because He was with them. That is what is meant when He said One greater than the Temple was here; Jesus is greater than the Temple and greater than the sabbath day for which is why He is Lord of the sabbath just as He is Lord of the Temple of the Holy Spirit which is our bodies.
Excellent point. I will add..
Profane the Sabbath - He referred them to the conduct of the priests also. On the Sabbath days they were engaged, as well as on other days, in killing beasts for sacrifice. (Numbers 28:9-10) Two lambs were killed on the Sabbath, in addition to the daily sacrifice. The priests must be engaged in killing them, and making fires to burn them in sacrifice, whereas to kindle a fire was expressly forbidden the Jews on the Sabbath. (Exodus 35:3) They did that which, for other persons to do, would have been "profaning" the Sabbath. Yet they were blameless. They did what was necessary and commanded. This was done in the very temple, too, the place of holiness, where the law should be most strictly observed.
 
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Excellent point. I will add..
Profane the Sabbath - He referred them to the conduct of the priests also. On the Sabbath days they were engaged, as well as on other days, in killing beasts for sacrifice. (Numbers 28:9-10) Two lambs were killed on the Sabbath, in addition to the daily sacrifice. The priests must be engaged in killing them, and making fires to burn them in sacrifice, whereas to kindle a fire was expressly forbidden the Jews on the Sabbath. (Exodus 35:3) They did that which, for other persons to do, would have been "profaning" the Sabbath. Yet they were blameless. They did what was necessary and commanded. This was done in the very temple, too, the place of holiness, where the law should be most strictly observed.
What He has led me to hear the truth in His words is that even though I am profaning the sabbath day, it is because Jesus Christ is in me is why I am guiltless. That is the only law out of the ten commandments where we are guiltless for breaking every day because of Jesus Christ being in us. The rest and His other higher teachings are done by faith in Him as our Good Shepherd to help us to follow Him, but keeping the sabbath day holy is not something Jesus is leading me to do but to rest in Him for because He is able to make me stand without me keeping the sabbath day holy because Jesus is Lord of the sabbath day; and not the sabbath day lord over man.
 
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Some can depart from traditions; from the faith; and say that keeping God's law is required or else you are living in sin when inferring the keeping of the sabbath day. When saved believers judge another saved believer as sinning for profaning the sabbath day, the accusers are denying Jesus Christ in them for why they are guiltless for profaning the sabbath day.

That is why they cannot judge any saved believer in that way as sinning when Jesus is able to make them stand.

They are free to regard the day or esteem the day to honor the Lord on the sabbath day, but they need not fear doing it perfectly or to avoid sinning when they can rest in Him on the sabbath day too for the Lord is able to make them stand regardless.

But as they judge.... then by that same standard of judgment, they will be judged. That is why clarity is needed so that they do not have any stuck up mentality for keeping the sabbath day from which they judged others as sinning when they do not keep the sabbath day. The Lord is the One that makes those who honor Him on the sabbath day to stand just as those He is able to make those who do not keep the sabbath day to stand.

1 Corinthians 1:
[SUP]9 [/SUP]God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.[SUP] 10 [/SUP]Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

Romans 14:
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.[SUP] 5 [/SUP]One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.[SUP]6 [/SUP]He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. 7For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. [SUP]8 [/SUP]For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.

Since no flesh shall glory in His Presence in Heaven, there will be no sabbath day keepers boasting in Heaven over other believers.

1 Corinthians 1:[SUP]29 [/SUP]That no flesh should glory in his presence. 30But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption: [SUP]31 [/SUP]That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

Galatians 3:1
O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? [SUP]2 [/SUP]This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? [SUP]4 [/SUP]Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain. [SUP]5 [/SUP]He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? [SUP]6 [/SUP]Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness..........[SUP]11 [/SUP]But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. [SUP]12 [/SUP]And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. [SUP]13 [/SUP]Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: [SUP]14 [/SUP]That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith...........[SUP]24 [/SUP]Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. [SUP]25 [/SUP]But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. [SUP]26 [/SUP]For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. [SUP]27 [/SUP]For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. [SUP]28 [/SUP]There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. [SUP]29 [/SUP]And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.


We are not identified as the children of God by keeping the sabbath day holy. That is not of our faith.

There is nothing lacking in His commandments under the New Covenant in the New Testament that any one need to refer to the ten commandments of the Old Covenant, but you will find His teachings going above the ten commandments to the inside of the person's mind & heart for which every sinner needs Jesus Christ for in helping us to lay aside every weight & sin in following Him by faith alone.

This is all on Him to finish His work in us to His glory, but saved believers should be able to honor the Lord on the sabbath day by resting in Him that they are guiltless for profaning the sabbath day.
 

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What He has led me to hear the truth in His words is that even though I am profaning the sabbath day, it is because Jesus Christ is in me is why I am guiltless. That is the only law out of the ten commandments where we are guiltless for breaking every day because of Jesus Christ being in us. The rest and His other higher teachings are done by faith in Him as our Good Shepherd to help us to follow Him, but keeping the sabbath day holy is not something Jesus is leading me to do but to rest in Him for because He is able to make me stand without me keeping the sabbath day holy because Jesus is Lord of the sabbath day; and not the sabbath day lord over man.
Please keep in mind that the Hebrew spelling of Sabbath is mostly close to the spelling of "rest." "Week," "seven" or "seventh" are spelled totally in a different way. With that said, my thought is that you are looking at this subject through the filtering lens of your own perspectives that you have been taught by others in the past. When I dropped all tradition, and looked at Biblical principles in light of what the original writer's cultural view was, I began to see scripture as totally cohesive to itself rather than seemingly contradictory truths that were impossible to be true according to my viewpoint.

Remembering to keep the "Sabbath day holy" would truthfully be said as to keep our "rest" as "set apart" from our normal work obligations.

Remember that manna from heaven is still our spiritual food, and this manna commemorates the instigation of the truthful "rest" for all of God's children, Jew and Gentile alike. I will quote scripture if necessary to complement my thoughts.

View the "spirit of the law" instead of the physical of the law, because, as Paul said, "the law is spiritual." Blessings toward you.

 
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Seven שנאShabbat שנט
Shevah is seven adn shabbat may be rest.


 
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Have we ever read where Jesus said that the priests who stand in the temple - break the Sabbath which is in the Law?...or that David and his men ate of the bread which was in the temple?

Matthew 12:2-6 (NASB)
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But when the Pharisees saw this, they said to Him, "Look, Your disciples do what is not lawful to do on a Sabbath."

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But He said to them, "Have you not read what David did when he became hungry, he and his companions,

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how he entered the house of God, and they ate the consecrated bread, which was not lawful for him to eat nor for those with him, but for the priests alone?

[SUP]5 [/SUP] "Or have you not read in the Law, that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple break the Sabbath and are innocent?

[SUP]6 [/SUP] "But I say to you that something greater than the temple is here.

Why were the priest not breaking the Sabbath law - because they were in the temple. Why did David be able to eat of the bread? Because he was
in the temple.

This is why the true believer in Christ will not be breaking any Sabbath law because we are in the temple. Know you not that you are the temple of God?

Those that are in the temple are not breaking the Sabbath law by doing work because we are in Christ. He is the true temple of God as we are in union with Him and are one in the spirit.

Until we understand the reality of our union with Christ and what that means - we will be resorting to going back to the Law and trying to live by our own flesh and we are exchanging Christ Himself for the law.
 

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Seven שנא Shabbat שנט
Shevah is seven adn shabbat may be rest.

שֶׁבַע shebaʻ, sheh'-bah; or (masculine) (שִׁבְעָה shibʻâh) a primitive cardinal number; seven as the sacred full one.
שָׁבַע shâbaʻ, shaw-bah'; a primitive root; properly to be complete.

שֶׁ shin title on right side blessing
בַ Beyt families house
ע ayin to know

שַׁבָּתוֹן shabbâthôwn, shab-baw-thone'; from H7676; a sabbatism or special holiday:—rest, sabbath.
שַׁבָּת shabbâth, shab-bawth'; intensive from H7673; intermission, i.e (specifically) the Sabbath:—(+ every) sabbath.

Sorry, but you replaced the word "hate" with "seven". This is not right
שָׂנֵא sânêʼ, saw-nay'; a primitive root; to hate (personally):—enemy, foe, (be) hate(-ful, -r), odious, × utterly.
שָׂ judgemnt shin title on left side
נֵ the son as heir nun
א The power of a strong leader aleph
 
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Galatians 5:1 [FONT=&quot]Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

There's a bit of legalism in all of us, I suppose. We all think that we must do things in order to be right with God.

But we aren't. The things we do can never measure up to the things that the Lord Jesus Christ did.


There is a Christian Sabbath now. It is designed to teach us who are ignorant of the Way of God.

Matthew 11:28 [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.[/FONT][FONT=&quot]

Hebrews 4:10 [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

Galatians 2:21 [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Where does our Righteousness come from?
Where does our Blessing come from?
Where does our Provision come from?
Where does our Salvation come from?

Galatians 3:2-3
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[FONT=&quot]2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?[/FONT]
 

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Seven שנאShabbat שנט
Shevah is seven adn shabbat may be rest.
I cannot find שנט (shant) in the Strong's concordance or anything comparable in the Hebrew langauge. Maybe there is, but I cannot relate it to being translated as Sabbath directly from the Hebrew scriptures.

shin ש teeth/two/sharp/eat..."S" sound
nun נ son/continue/heir... "N" sound
ט basket/container/mud... "T" sound

"shant"
 
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Shabbat in Hebrew alo may be loose or free......It depends on its context in a sentense and the epoch used.
 

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Have we ever read where Jesus said that the priests who stand in the temple - break the Sabbath which is in the Law?...or that David and his men ate of the bread which was in the temple?

Matthew 12:2-6 (NASB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP]
But when the Pharisees saw this, they said to Him, "Look, Your disciples do what is not lawful to do on a Sabbath."

[SUP]3 [/SUP]
But He said to them, "Have you not read what David did when he became hungry, he and his companions,

[SUP]4 [/SUP]
how he entered the house of God, and they ate the consecrated bread, which was not lawful for him to eat nor for those with him, but for the priests alone?

[SUP]5 [/SUP] "Or have you not read in the Law, that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple break the Sabbath and are innocent?

[SUP]6 [/SUP] "But I say to you that something greater than the temple is here.

Why were the priest not breaking the Sabbath law - because they were in the temple. Why did David be able to eat of the bread? Because he was
in the temple.

This is why the true believer in Christ will not be breaking any Sabbath law because we are in the temple. Know you not that you are the temple of God?

Those that are in the temple are not breaking the Sabbath law by doing work because we are in Christ. He is the true temple of God as we are in union with Him and are one in the spirit.

Until we understand the reality of our union with Christ and what that means - we will be resorting to going back to the Law and trying to live by our own flesh and we are exchanging Christ Himself for the law.
Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

There's a bit of legalism in all of us, I suppose. We all think that we must do things in order to be right with God.

But we aren't. The things we do can never measure up to the things that the Lord Jesus Christ did.


There is a Christian Sabbath now. It is designed to teach us who are ignorant of the Way of God.

Matthew 11:28
Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Hebrews 4:10
For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

Galatians 2:21
I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Where does our Righteousness come from?
Where does our Blessing come from?
Where does our Provision come from?
Where does our Salvation come from?

Galatians 3:2-3
2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
(Hebrews 4:1-11)
 
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