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Greetings Megiddo; the Greek word is "logizomai"; means to be justified by God....it's root is logos "the word", meaning the logical, reasoning, sound mind of God..."Imputed" is a fancy twisted Latin term forced upon the text by religious layers in the 15th century, having nothing to do with the true meaning of "logizomai". Our good works done in faith are reckoned (justified by God's sound reasoning and logic) to be righteous in His presence. Faithfulness to God is reckoned/numbered among to be as righteousness.....steadfast obedient believers are "logizomia" numbered among the righteous, and sinners are numbered among the wicked all through the scriptures...
God engrafted in every man that very same logical ability to reason with HIM; for He was the light that lighteth every man that cometh into the world, (the light of conscience), therefore scarlet sinners are able to reason together with God in a season of godly sorrow, coming clean with Him in repentance, thus having his sins of scarlet made to be as white as snow Isaiah, 1-18......keep up the contending for the truth and blessed always
God engrafted in every man that very same logical ability to reason with HIM; for He was the light that lighteth every man that cometh into the world, (the light of conscience), therefore scarlet sinners are able to reason together with God in a season of godly sorrow, coming clean with Him in repentance, thus having his sins of scarlet made to be as white as snow Isaiah, 1-18......keep up the contending for the truth and blessed always
John 6:39 "And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that
He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day."
John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son,
that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life."
John 10: 7-28 "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; 28 and I give eternal life to them, and they shall never perish; and no one shall snatch them out of My hand."
1 John 2:19 "They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out, in order that it might be shown that they all are not of us."
He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day."
John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son,
that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life."
John 10: 7-28 "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; 28 and I give eternal life to them, and they shall never perish; and no one shall snatch them out of My hand."
1 John 2:19 "They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out, in order that it might be shown that they all are not of us."
No, that's not what you said. Those who have faith are the truly converted only, and none of them "stop believing" so your lame admonition is asinine. Those who have believed in vain, and don't hold their profession were never saved to begin with. Seems you enjoy the latter group immensely.
You're scared, out on a limb, because nothing in church history agrees with you. Go fetch proof from church history that supports your latter day heresy of loss of salvation.
You've yet to offer proof and thus far only offer misunderstood texts as "proof" of which a quote from any church authority would undo.
Hey, maybe you can quote John Gill, like Stephen63 for proof?
You're scared, out on a limb, because nothing in church history agrees with you. Go fetch proof from church history that supports your latter day heresy of loss of salvation.
You've yet to offer proof and thus far only offer misunderstood texts as "proof" of which a quote from any church authority would undo.
Hey, maybe you can quote John Gill, like Stephen63 for proof?
I would say adolescents have better manners than you.
Have you provided any more Gill quotes that support your works gospel and loss of salvation heresy, or are you ready to own that Gill is OSAS and you misunderstood him?
You know, own your huge mistake publicly? Like a man?
As I said many posts before you made this one, I will reiterate, I wasn't talking about nor to them. When a thread gets to over 30,000 posts it's wise to open your mind that much more as the op or other posters, that the thread diverged into other meanings, references and topics - best to take that into consideration before taking offence.
Hi Cee, I fully support your post;
The Preaching on this forum; that God does not give second chances is faulty reasoning and not true; Jesus gave Peter a second chance; God gave King David a second chance, and Jonah learned about second chances from the belly of a great fish.
"God does all these things to a person; twice, even three times; to bring back his soul from the pit, that he may be enlightened with the light of life.…Job33.29,30
"Who is a God like you, who pardons sin and forgives the transgression of the remnant of his inheritance? You do not stay angry forever but delight to show mercy." Micah7:18
"Then Peter came and said to Him, “Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me and I forgive him? Up to seven times?” "Jesus said to him, “I do not say to you, up to seven times, but up to seventy times seven.Matthew18:21,22
Where do these people come from preaching false doctrines; God does not play baseball with our eternal destination; "three strikes and you're out" it will never happen child of God.
God bless!
The Preaching on this forum; that God does not give second chances is faulty reasoning and not true; Jesus gave Peter a second chance; God gave King David a second chance, and Jonah learned about second chances from the belly of a great fish.
"God does all these things to a person; twice, even three times; to bring back his soul from the pit, that he may be enlightened with the light of life.…Job33.29,30
"Who is a God like you, who pardons sin and forgives the transgression of the remnant of his inheritance? You do not stay angry forever but delight to show mercy." Micah7:18
"Then Peter came and said to Him, “Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me and I forgive him? Up to seven times?” "Jesus said to him, “I do not say to you, up to seven times, but up to seventy times seven.Matthew18:21,22
Where do these people come from preaching false doctrines; God does not play baseball with our eternal destination; "three strikes and you're out" it will never happen child of God.
God bless!
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Absolutely true for those who believe. That's why we need to keep believing.
Did you know 'really' is not in the original text of 1 John 2:19? It was added to help interpret the verse. But sadly, it misinterprets the verse because just a couple of verses later in vs. 24 John warns the believers to not also depart:
"24As for you, let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning." (1 John 2:24 NASB)
Here it is in context:
"19They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out, so that it would be shown that they all are not of us. 20But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you all know. 21I have not written to you because you do not know the truth, but because you do know it, and because no lie is of the truth. 22Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son.23Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father; the one who confesses the Son has the Father also. 24As for you, let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father." (1 John 2:19-24 NASB)
The emboldened words are the same Greek word for 'abide'.
See, in verse 19, they did not continue to abide. John then tells the believers in vs. 24 to 'continue to abide' and not be like the ones who did 'not continue to abide' in vs. 19. Understand?
Well that isn't even true. Your'e bearing false witness there son.
Keep trying, I've addressed you and refuted you numerous times and many can see this. I still await you to answer my posts, all you've done thus far is to skip past all of that and pretend. Go quote us all some church fathers who believe in your works gospel, and, who believe in your take that we must not stop believing or we won't be saved.
Just one church father. Go fetch one.
The fact remains: your gospel is false, and if you don't exert effort to believe every millisecond you'll end up in hell. Thus Christ didn't really ever save even one person, it is all up to them.
Your gospel is therefore false.
Keep trying, I've addressed you and refuted you numerous times and many can see this. I still await you to answer my posts, all you've done thus far is to skip past all of that and pretend. Go quote us all some church fathers who believe in your works gospel, and, who believe in your take that we must not stop believing or we won't be saved.
Just one church father. Go fetch one.
The fact remains: your gospel is false, and if you don't exert effort to believe every millisecond you'll end up in hell. Thus Christ didn't really ever save even one person, it is all up to them.
Your gospel is therefore false.