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Meggido

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Magenta said:
If we were worthy we would not be in need of grace.
Grace is unmerited favor. Grace is a gift from God.

Webster's New World College Dictionary provides this theological definition of grace: "The unmerited love and favor of God toward human beings; divine influence acting in a person to make the person pure, morally strong; the condition of a person brought to God's favor through this influence; a special virtue, gift, or help given to a person by God."

Some express it like this:

God's
Riches
At
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Expense

2 Corinthians 9:8
And God is able to make all grace abound to you so that having all
sufficiency in all things at all times, you may abound in every good work.
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this is all pre-conversion....and not the condition I was speaking about...
 
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joefizz said:
no just that for a moment you sounded like one lol,all in silly humor,it's just that when you finished your post you said,
we will be waiting lol,oppurtune time to make a silly joke at the same time as perhaps inspire people to "Read the Bible"!
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like I said, I know ;)...
 
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joefizz said:
very good,yes I spoke on the physical heart,but once having the holy spirit we are "changed" in many aspects including our heart as well as mind.
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Hi joe...I believe our mind is only re-newed by keep in the Word every day or most days...If we don`t, our minds can fall back into worldly thinking...I once heard a preacher say " If we feed on the word of God daily, even if we only get a crumb, than we have eaten our daily bread, if we stay away from the word, then we become skinny to the point of starvation "...Renewing of the mind is a daily thing because that is where the battle ground is where satan hits us...xox...
 
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Meggido said:
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Stephen63 again.


this is what I asked yesterday and nothing...
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Too many promises of His keeping power. All things of spiritual life is through faith in His Word.
 
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stonesoffire said:
Hi EG

When ministering in the Spirit...speaking like in Revelations, I was in the Spirit on the Lords day, one is full. You will do things and say things by His power and as if it's the most natural thing, but is supernatural. Not sure if anyone can understand except by the experience.

For one to think on a regular basis that we are just poor sinners saved by grace, we are denying His Word that we are no longer flesh but Spirit, and denying the power to transform.

Initially, we aren't worthy of anything, true; only by His declaration that He makes us worthy. But, making us worthy is positional just like righteousness, yet worked out by Holy Spirit in our life's experience.

So that at the end of our life or the end of all time, we want to hear Him declare over us...

Rev 3:4 Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.

Rev 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

Rev 3:6 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

This is what Meggido is talking about.


This is not a salvation issue but rewards.





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Amen sis, And I agree with him on that, (although I am sure he will say I do not)

But when your talking to a legalist who thinks they are

1. Worthy or deserving based on how good they are
2. Need to maintain their salvation by their works
3. Preaches a gospel of works.

You need to let them know. On your own (apart from Gods grace) every one of us are unworthy and would deserve hell.

in other words.

Context 1...By Gods love I am considered worthy because he loved me (not because I earned it or deserve it) I am forgiven, I am perfected, I am his righteousness..

Context 2...By Gods standard, I am a sinner who fall short of Gods glory, and apart from his grace would be condemned.

That's what I meant by context.

What is going on is a few people are speaking of context number 2. and people are trying to interpret it from the context of context number 1. Then it just goes downhill from there.
 
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Magenta said:
It is God who works in you to will and to act in order to fulfill His good purpose.

All your back peddling will never change that fact.
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He has Billy Goat religion; when faced with the truth of Scripture all he can do is "But, but, but, but..." :D
 
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It is God who works in us to will and to act in order to fulfill His good purpose.

All the back peddling in the world will never change that fact.
 
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stonesoffire said:
Too many promises of His keeping power. All things of spiritual life is through faith in His Word.
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If we think we are more powerful to pull ourselves out of Gods hand, then I guess you can think you can pull out of Gods hands

I know this, If any one of my daughters were falling, and would DIE if I let go, I would not let go, no matter what, Because I love them

I know God would not let me go either.
 
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Magenta said:
It is God who works in you to will and to act in order to fulfill His good purpose.

All your back peddling will never change that fact.
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You accuse me of back peddling!?!?, another outright lie......Since I joined this site I have consistently and constantly said that our righteousness is Christs and is a gift, obtained by faith and imputed by Christ...

New flash...its God always working in us...when I post, I take it for granted that mature saints know that we know this....it is a given for some of us...not something we have to remind ourselves and others about to sound spiritual and be petted as the smartest woman in the room....

This is not your board, not your thread and not your little kingdom....here is a piece of advice that might really help you...


Go to Home Depot......buy a ladder....set it up.....and get over it....
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Amen sis, And I agree with him on that, (although I am sure he will say I do not)

But when your talking to a legalist who thinks they are

1. Worthy or deserving based on how good they are
2. Need to maintain their salvation by their works
3. Preaches a gospel of works.

You need to let them know. On your own (apart from Gods grace) every one of us are unworthy and would deserve hell.

in other words.

Context 1...By Gods love I am considered worthy because he loved me (not because I earned it or deserve it) I am forgiven, I am perfected, I am his righteousness..

Context 2...By Gods standard, I am a sinner who fall short of Gods glory, and apart from his grace would be condemned.

That's what I meant by context.

What is going on is a few people are speaking of context number 2. and people are trying to interpret it from the context of context number 1. Then it just goes downhill from there.
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Well, I agree that things are getting misunderstood. We have those who can see, and others not yet there or able to see. I've said before that I've given some who have tried to teach me before I was prepared to hear, much trouble.

Is just the way it is and we need to deal with it gracefully.
 
stonesoffire

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Meggido said:
You accuse me of back peddling!?!?, another outright lie......Since I joined this site I have consistently and constantly said that our righteousness is Christs and is a gift, obtained by faith and imputed by Christ...

New flash...its God always working in us...when I post, I take it for granted that mature saints know that we know this....it is a given for some of us...not something we have to remind ourselves and others about to sound spiritual and be petted as the smartest woman in the room....

This is not your board, not your thread and not your little kingdom....here is a piece of advice that might really help you...


Go to Home Depot......buy a ladder....set it up.....and get over it....
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And this isn't helping either Meggido. :(
 
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I want to repeat my questions due to the thread moving so fast:

How much do you have to sin to lose your salvation? Would be nice to have some specifics on such an important issue. How do you know that you've lost it? Can you get it back?

And one more question, how do you deal with Jesus saying that He will not lose any of those whom the Father gives Him, but shall raise them up on the last day? I would say it is impossible to interpret this verse in any other way than eternal security.
 
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preacher4truth said:
I chose the truth that leads to perhaps owning it and growing up. :D
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I responded twice, last night and again today to connect the dots for her........

I never said what she is saying I said, ever. It is this, that I am defending myself about...she is suggesting and implying something I never have stated and many of my previous posts here and on other threads prove it....

Must be nice to sit back in a smug and comfy elect chair and act like the one you say you serve....
 
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