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There comes a point when words are not enough or miss the mark.
What someone observed about people is wherever they are, this defines normal.
It can be hard to understand anothers position if the basic foundations and outlooks are
different.
It is why it can take years and culture to tune in to some people.
If you as a brother can rejoice in Christ and walk in His ways, then amen.
God bless you, and may His love warm your heart today and always.
There comes a point when words are not enough or miss the mark.What someone observed about people is wherever they are, this defines normal.
It can be hard to understand anothers position if the basic foundations and outlooks are
different.
It is why it can take years and culture to tune in to some people.
If you as a brother can rejoice in Christ and walk in His ways, then amen.
God bless you, and may His love warm your heart today and always.
A child
Have you ever seen a child with their mother.
They are confident and adventurous, curiously discovering things around them.
They know their safety is dependent on their mother and try to not stray too far.
They are listening and waiting, and learning as they go.
This is how we are, as we follow and grow. If our hearts are in Christ that is what
matters, because He will complete the work He has started in us.
It is why when Jesus says to me put the words of the sermon on the mount into action
I just say, amen, because I trust God my saviour.
Have you ever seen a child with their mother.
They are confident and adventurous, curiously discovering things around them.
They know their safety is dependent on their mother and try to not stray too far.
They are listening and waiting, and learning as they go.
This is how we are, as we follow and grow. If our hearts are in Christ that is what
matters, because He will complete the work He has started in us.
It is why when Jesus says to me put the words of the sermon on the mount into action
I just say, amen, because I trust God my saviour.
What does being one with someone mean?
Matt 15.8-9
15 Then some Pharisees and scribes *came to Jesus from Jerusalem and said, [SUP]2 [/SUP]“Why do Your disciples break the tradition of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat bread.” [SUP]3 [/SUP]And He answered and said to them, “Why do you yourselves transgress the commandment of God for the sake of your tradition? [SUP]4 [/SUP]For God said, ‘Honor your father and mother,’ and, ‘He who speaks evil of father or mother is to be put to death.’ [SUP]5 [/SUP]But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever I have that would help you has been given to God,” [SUP]6 [/SUP]he is not to honor his father or his mother.’ And by this you invalidated the word of God for the sake of your tradition. [SUP]7 [/SUP]You hypocrites, rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you:
[SUP]8 [/SUP]‘This people honors Me with their lips,
But their heart is far away from Me.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]‘But in vain do they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.’”
[SUP]10 [/SUP]After Jesus called the crowd to Him, He said to them, “Hear and understand. [SUP]11 [/SUP]It is not what enters into the mouth that defiles the man, but what proceeds out of the mouth, this defiles the man.”
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Then the disciples *came and *said to Him, “Do You know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this statement?” [SUP]13 [/SUP]But He answered and said, “Every plant which My heavenly Father did not plant shall be uprooted. [SUP]14 [/SUP]Let them alone; they are blind guides of the blind. And if a blind man guides a blind man, both will fall into a pit.”
Isaiah 29.13
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Then the Lord said,
“Because this people draw near with their words
And honor Me with their lip service,
But they remove their hearts far from Me,
And their reverence for Me consists of tradition learned by rote,
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Therefore behold, I will once again deal marvelously with this people, wondrously marvelous;
And the wisdom of their wise men will perish,
And the discernment of their discerning men will be concealed.”
Matt 15.8-9
15 Then some Pharisees and scribes *came to Jesus from Jerusalem and said, [SUP]2 [/SUP]“Why do Your disciples break the tradition of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat bread.” [SUP]3 [/SUP]And He answered and said to them, “Why do you yourselves transgress the commandment of God for the sake of your tradition? [SUP]4 [/SUP]For God said, ‘Honor your father and mother,’ and, ‘He who speaks evil of father or mother is to be put to death.’ [SUP]5 [/SUP]But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever I have that would help you has been given to God,” [SUP]6 [/SUP]he is not to honor his father or his mother.’ And by this you invalidated the word of God for the sake of your tradition. [SUP]7 [/SUP]You hypocrites, rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you:
[SUP]8 [/SUP]‘This people honors Me with their lips,
But their heart is far away from Me.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]‘But in vain do they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.’”
[SUP]10 [/SUP]After Jesus called the crowd to Him, He said to them, “Hear and understand. [SUP]11 [/SUP]It is not what enters into the mouth that defiles the man, but what proceeds out of the mouth, this defiles the man.”
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Then the disciples *came and *said to Him, “Do You know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this statement?” [SUP]13 [/SUP]But He answered and said, “Every plant which My heavenly Father did not plant shall be uprooted. [SUP]14 [/SUP]Let them alone; they are blind guides of the blind. And if a blind man guides a blind man, both will fall into a pit.”
Isaiah 29.13
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Then the Lord said,
“Because this people draw near with their words
And honor Me with their lip service,
But they remove their hearts far from Me,
And their reverence for Me consists of tradition learned by rote,
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Therefore behold, I will once again deal marvelously with this people, wondrously marvelous;
And the wisdom of their wise men will perish,
And the discernment of their discerning men will be concealed.”
If we find our rest in Him, for what are we striving? If we are born again of the Spirit of God and place our faith and trust in Him, we will grow in faith. It has nothing to do with pleasing the lusts of the flesh as some like to trumpet repeatedly. You may be talking about people who are religious but lost, but they are not true believers, and will often fall away for any number of reasons, the main one being of course that they are not sealed with the Holy Spirit.
Judas Iscariot had remorse because he knew he was caught; just like any criminal has. Did he have a penitent heart for his crime; I don't think so or else he would have remained alive so that he could serve his time for the crime. Sympathy for Judas is misplaced so that people can justify "losing your salvation", a crime in itself; false doctrine.
Point: It is not honoring to Jesus our Lord who died for our sins, to compare a Christian's repentance to Judas Iscariot, who is possibly the worst character in the bible; He was a thief and a co-conspirator in the premeditated murder of God the Son. Your sympathy should be with Jesus not Judas; whether Judas was "saved and lost his salvation", or never saved at all;
good heavens, I guess I'm having a moment.
"When he saw that "he was condemned", he repented himself." Judas had remorse over what he had done, "after he realized he was caught in the premeditated murder plot of our Lord. There was sufficient time for him to repent before the deal was done; He sold his soul for thirty pieces of silver. I suppose some people could say; well he grew up in poverty so we should forgive his crime. I think it would be best to leave that judgment up to God. Nevertheless; Judas passed judgment on himself and he took his own life.
The question remains; was Judas saved and lost his salvation or never saved at all? By all accounts of his life as one of the 12 disciples of Jesus, it does not appear that he was saved from the beginning; (yes I know he was sent out--but God also opened the mouth of a donkey to speak). Judas was just like the many hangers on that followed Jesus ministry for the benefits; not unlike some people in the Church today. I say he was in it from the beginning for the benefits and was never truly born again.
Only God can answer the question; was Judas truly saved or never saved at all; because the accused is dead.
God bless!
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It it does not matter, they we're evil doers, the same point can go for all who will be on that day, who have works they can profess. Why do you think they will have a pass, when other people do not,
Luke 13 is a conversation jesus has with a group of people who asked him a question, Matt 7 is where Jesus was teaching a crowd of people,
luke 13 jesus would respond to people of that day who asked a question of who would get to heaven,
matt 7 jesus was speaking to everyone of all days. (The beatitude teaching)
matt 7 has people supposedly doing miracles, casting out demons etc etc (doing works of God) and then jesus flat out said he never knew these people, period, they practice unrighteousness (evil)
even if you do consider Luke and Matthews events as one event, you still have the issue, they did woks of God, yet Jesus said they were never save and practiced evil, what makes them any more undeserving that religious people today who practice even because they never had a relationship with God?
Where is the word destroyer used at anywhere in John 10?
Why must you add things to your own commentary and then state I said them, when I did not say them?...I never used the word destroyer....and this word is never used in John 10...you added the word.
Bible scholars know this about John 9.40-John 10.21:
They know who Jesus was talking to.
They know why Jesus was saying what he was.
They know what Jesus was saying to who he was talking to.
They know how the passage is properly interpreted in light of Jesus own words.
I did say that religion is the thief and it is quite evident to serious students of the bible that is what it means....
You are discredited again for stating I said something[the word destroyer] I never stated..
Only someone with serious anger management issues and on a quest to steal, kill and destroy someone would revert to digging up past posts to use against another....the spirit of religion on you seeks to steal, kill and destroy...you should seek help...
BTW, thank you for allowing yourself to be a real world example of what Jesus was saying in John 9.40-John 10.21...I am sure many will be blessed by your example of what not to be...
Why must you add things to your own commentary and then state I said them, when I did not say them?...I never used the word destroyer....and this word is never used in John 10...you added the word.
Bible scholars know this about John 9.40-John 10.21:
They know who Jesus was talking to.
They know why Jesus was saying what he was.
They know what Jesus was saying to who he was talking to.
They know how the passage is properly interpreted in light of Jesus own words.
I did say that religion is the thief and it is quite evident to serious students of the bible that is what it means....
You are discredited again for stating I said something[the word destroyer] I never stated..
Only someone with serious anger management issues and on a quest to steal, kill and destroy someone would revert to digging up past posts to use against another....the spirit of religion on you seeks to steal, kill and destroy...you should seek help...
BTW, thank you for allowing yourself to be a real world example of what Jesus was saying in John 9.40-John 10.21...I am sure many will be blessed by your example of what not to be...
E
Judas did not have repentance, he knew he did an immoral thing, and like all non believers who realize they did something bad, they felt bad, or sorry, he also reacted to that sadness knowing he lost all his friends and had nothing left, since he gave his money for his sin back t the people who tricked him, so he did the Worldly thing of committing suicide, like many do, it is a cop out,
Peter on the other hand showed remorse,and true repentance, yet Jesus never asks him to ask for forgiveness or even mentioned his sin to him instead he told Peter his sin is forgiven go feed my sheep.
Peter on the other hand showed remorse,and true repentance, yet Jesus never asks him to ask for forgiveness or even mentioned his sin to him instead he told Peter his sin is forgiven go feed my sheep.
E
I like this post well said..........
i have suffered both
worldly sorry is painful, it seeks to make up for his sin, so he can feel better about himself (hence why legalism is so easy to sell to people, just put Gods name on it, ) it also can get so bad that you want to take the easy way out, which is hide, become a her it, and just stay away from everyone, they can not judge youthat way, or they start judging others, to make yourself feel better, or in its deepest pain, commit suicide (nothing left) all of these are based on a lack of trust in God,
Godly sorry produces pain, but it knows Gods forgiveness, moves on, and says ok God, I screwed up, what do you have for me to do, it does not wallow I paint self seeking pity, or legalism, where it is useless, it gets back on the horse and starts going forward again, so it can be productive,
W
this is not for those who have hardened their hearts beyond receiving anything from the Spirit, so no comments are needed from such. But rather for those earnestly contending for the faith and seeking understanding....be blessed to you
More facts about Judas the son of perdition…
The Pharisees did not betray Jesus but rather it was one that Jesus put his trust in as a disciple that was given over to temptation whereas Satan entered in him and sowed the seeds of betrayal…Jesus was very careful and selective about who He trusted and considered to be His friends, He was not foolish about that..He couldn’t possibly have been betrayed if He had not a trusted friendship with Judas, this is why He was troubled in the spirit at the last Passover..Yes Judas was being influenced by a devil of temptation some time prior to Jesus death, but He wasn’t from the beginning, and the gospel of John is not written in a chronological order persay…..
Perdition “apollumi”, utter ruination of the soul, the same root word “apo”( a separation, departure) is also found in “apostasy”, or to fall away from belief. It is coded in the text as the 8[SUP]th,[/SUP] the number of perdition. we see in the parable of the wondering spirit, that that man becomes the 8[SUP]th[/SUP], whereas the evil spirit that departed from him in repentance later came back again, bringing with him 7 more spirits, “ie” the 8[SUP]th, (perdition),[/SUP] making that man even worse than before he was saved, “ie” Hebrews 6 & 10. Therefore reaching a point of perdition whereas he can no longer repent. Remember, one as profane as Esau still sought repentance with bitter tears, but like Judas he could not find it. (a scary place to be indeed) )Judas was an example of the parable of the wondering spirit…turn him to .To offer your friend bread dipped in sop is an effort to return him to friendship and his former ways, or in Judas case, if not, then do what you must do…There are no specific prophecies pertaining to Judas in the OT. David was speaking Absolom that betrayed him, and Judas became a parallel to that type of person that the scriptures might be fulfilled…
There are 4 different types of prophecy in the bible.
1) Absolute prophecy: when God determines an event to happen (Isaiah 46-10). Not because He looks into the future with a crystal ball but rather because He 'DETERMINED" that they would happen, such as the incarnation of Christ, and some 330 OT prophecies fulfilled in Christ. This is what separates the one true God from the other false gods as spoken of in the book of Isaiah. God knows with certainty some events of the future, because He Himself is the planner of those events, and is by no means a fatalist. Hence the flood, the birth and death of Christ, etc. Whatever is predetermined can be foreknown, but whatever is open can be known only as a possibility. God doesn't need to know all the future as a settled fact in order to bring His purpose to pass. Prophecies are often God foretelling what He Himself will later bring to pass. So they have to do more with HIS omnipotence than His omniscience: which is something rarely considered in Molinism... Gen. 3:15; Gen. 8-22, 1 Kings, 8:15, 8:20, 8:24, 13:32 (with 2 Kings 23:1-3, 15-18); 2 Kings 19:25; 2 Chron. 1:9 (1 Chron. 6:4; 10, 15); 2 Chronicles 36:21-22; Ezra 1:1; Isaiah. 5:19, 25:1-2, 37:26, 42:9 (with vs. 16); Jeremiah. 29:10, 32:24, 32:28, 33:14-15, Limitations. 3:37; Ezekiel 12:25, 17:24, 33:29, 33:33; Daniel. 4:33, 4:37; Acts 3:18, 27:32-35; Rev. 17:17..The power of God "omnipotence" keeps creation in place until the last day of judgment.,Gen. 3-15,22, 2 Peter 3-5, these are determined prophecies. This simple and absolute truth shuts down the vain idea that the earth could be destroyed or damaged by an asteroid, or by any other means, as says HIS promise to Noah in Gen 8. It is for certain that henceforth expecting till His enemies be made his footstool, Hebrews 10-13. And the last enemy will be death ,thus all Israel shall be saved as the fullness of the Gentiles will have become in, and not before then can this earth cease. I don't think God already had a specific year, day, hour and minute etc. planned ahead of time, because He is long suffering and patient desiring that non should perish. But the Father knows when the time is full (when the transgressors will have come to the final full). Like when we read, “But when the fullness of time came, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the Law.” God confirms this when he says He will come like a thief in the night. To the transgressors it will be a complete surprise, like the first advent of the Messiah.
Many theologians and scholars would say "if God doesn't know the exact future" He can’t bring it to pass. But because God doesn’t know all of the future “as a settled fact” doesn’t mean He doesn’t have the power to bring to pass what He determined, designated, prophesied and promised.Therefore God's sees the future as reality, and man's freewill is full of possibilities, and possibilities are not certainties, and that's reality..Such as found in the story of Jonah and the Nenavites..
2) Conditional prophecy: Is when something may or may not occur, such as the destruction of Nineveh. Conditioned upon their continuance in sin, however God changed His mind and dispensed His mercy and forgiveness upon them based on their repentance. Such as Jeremiah 18-8 also. These are based upon the contingent freewill choices of man. God is said to have repented (changed His mind) multiple times in the Bible: Gen. 6:6-7; Exodus. 32:12-14; Numbers, 23:19; Deut. 32:36; Judges 2:18; 1 Sam. 15:11, 15:29, 15:35; 2 Samuel. 24:16; Psalms. 90:13, 106:45, 110:4, 135:14; Jeremiah. 4:28, 15:6, 18:8, 18:10, 20:16, 26:3, 26:13, 26:19, 42:10, Ezekiel. 24:14, Hosea. 11:8, 13:14; Joel 1:13-14; Amos 7:3, 7:6; Jonah 3:9-10, 4:2; Zach. 8:14 The prayers of men have changed the plans of God: Exodus. 32:10-14; Numbers 11:1-2, 14:12-20, 16:16:20-35; Deut. 9:13-14, 9:18-20, 9:25; 2 Samuel. 24:17-25; 1 Kings 21:27-29; 2 Chron. 12:5-8; Jeremiah 26:19 God speaks of the future in terms of what may or may not be:Exodus 3:18, 4:9, 13:17; Ezekiel. 12:3 God changes His plans in response to changing circumstances: Exodus 32:10-14, Jeremiah 18:1-10, Jonah. But prophecy that comes true does not prove that all the future is settled fact. God is all knowing in that He knows all that can be known. All the objects of knowledge are known to Him, but the outcome of contingency is not an object of knowledge. This in no way denies God's aseity. Aseity (from Latin a "from" and se "self", plus -ity) refers to the property by which a being exists in and of itself, self-contained
3) Extrapolated prophecy: This is based upon God's perfect knowledge of the present because God knows the hearts of men and the circumstances that encompass all about. Therefore, He can foretell at least in the short term, (in Peters case on that very same day), what we will do in the future, such as He prophesied that Peter would deny Him 3 times. God has all the power to bring about the circumstances for Peter to do so. Remember, just prior to making this statement Jesus said "the devil desires to sift you Peter". Hence, Jesus knowing what was in the heart of Satan at the time as well as the heart of Peter, and all the others involved in the Temple who took part. So, the present condition of Peters heart was perfectly known by Christ. (all knowing). Hence, Jesus knew the current condition of Peter's heart, and Jesus knew the circumstances the devil was arranging in order to sift him as wheat. Another example would be in the book of Deuteronomy when God said that the people would rebel after Moses left them. How did God know this would happen? Because He said He knows what's in their hearts today, therefore God could make this Extrapolated prophecy.
4) Parallel prophecies: That being when a scripture told of an OT event but is applicable to a NT event. OT prophets speak a word for today because the word transcends time giving us a warning not to apostasize in our day.
More facts about Judas the son of perdition…
The Pharisees did not betray Jesus but rather it was one that Jesus put his trust in as a disciple that was given over to temptation whereas Satan entered in him and sowed the seeds of betrayal…Jesus was very careful and selective about who He trusted and considered to be His friends, He was not foolish about that..He couldn’t possibly have been betrayed if He had not a trusted friendship with Judas, this is why He was troubled in the spirit at the last Passover..Yes Judas was being influenced by a devil of temptation some time prior to Jesus death, but He wasn’t from the beginning, and the gospel of John is not written in a chronological order persay…..
Perdition “apollumi”, utter ruination of the soul, the same root word “apo”( a separation, departure) is also found in “apostasy”, or to fall away from belief. It is coded in the text as the 8[SUP]th,[/SUP] the number of perdition. we see in the parable of the wondering spirit, that that man becomes the 8[SUP]th[/SUP], whereas the evil spirit that departed from him in repentance later came back again, bringing with him 7 more spirits, “ie” the 8[SUP]th, (perdition),[/SUP] making that man even worse than before he was saved, “ie” Hebrews 6 & 10. Therefore reaching a point of perdition whereas he can no longer repent. Remember, one as profane as Esau still sought repentance with bitter tears, but like Judas he could not find it. (a scary place to be indeed) )Judas was an example of the parable of the wondering spirit…turn him to .To offer your friend bread dipped in sop is an effort to return him to friendship and his former ways, or in Judas case, if not, then do what you must do…There are no specific prophecies pertaining to Judas in the OT. David was speaking Absolom that betrayed him, and Judas became a parallel to that type of person that the scriptures might be fulfilled…
There are 4 different types of prophecy in the bible.
1) Absolute prophecy: when God determines an event to happen (Isaiah 46-10). Not because He looks into the future with a crystal ball but rather because He 'DETERMINED" that they would happen, such as the incarnation of Christ, and some 330 OT prophecies fulfilled in Christ. This is what separates the one true God from the other false gods as spoken of in the book of Isaiah. God knows with certainty some events of the future, because He Himself is the planner of those events, and is by no means a fatalist. Hence the flood, the birth and death of Christ, etc. Whatever is predetermined can be foreknown, but whatever is open can be known only as a possibility. God doesn't need to know all the future as a settled fact in order to bring His purpose to pass. Prophecies are often God foretelling what He Himself will later bring to pass. So they have to do more with HIS omnipotence than His omniscience: which is something rarely considered in Molinism... Gen. 3:15; Gen. 8-22, 1 Kings, 8:15, 8:20, 8:24, 13:32 (with 2 Kings 23:1-3, 15-18); 2 Kings 19:25; 2 Chron. 1:9 (1 Chron. 6:4; 10, 15); 2 Chronicles 36:21-22; Ezra 1:1; Isaiah. 5:19, 25:1-2, 37:26, 42:9 (with vs. 16); Jeremiah. 29:10, 32:24, 32:28, 33:14-15, Limitations. 3:37; Ezekiel 12:25, 17:24, 33:29, 33:33; Daniel. 4:33, 4:37; Acts 3:18, 27:32-35; Rev. 17:17..The power of God "omnipotence" keeps creation in place until the last day of judgment.,Gen. 3-15,22, 2 Peter 3-5, these are determined prophecies. This simple and absolute truth shuts down the vain idea that the earth could be destroyed or damaged by an asteroid, or by any other means, as says HIS promise to Noah in Gen 8. It is for certain that henceforth expecting till His enemies be made his footstool, Hebrews 10-13. And the last enemy will be death ,thus all Israel shall be saved as the fullness of the Gentiles will have become in, and not before then can this earth cease. I don't think God already had a specific year, day, hour and minute etc. planned ahead of time, because He is long suffering and patient desiring that non should perish. But the Father knows when the time is full (when the transgressors will have come to the final full). Like when we read, “But when the fullness of time came, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the Law.” God confirms this when he says He will come like a thief in the night. To the transgressors it will be a complete surprise, like the first advent of the Messiah.
Many theologians and scholars would say "if God doesn't know the exact future" He can’t bring it to pass. But because God doesn’t know all of the future “as a settled fact” doesn’t mean He doesn’t have the power to bring to pass what He determined, designated, prophesied and promised.Therefore God's sees the future as reality, and man's freewill is full of possibilities, and possibilities are not certainties, and that's reality..Such as found in the story of Jonah and the Nenavites..
2) Conditional prophecy: Is when something may or may not occur, such as the destruction of Nineveh. Conditioned upon their continuance in sin, however God changed His mind and dispensed His mercy and forgiveness upon them based on their repentance. Such as Jeremiah 18-8 also. These are based upon the contingent freewill choices of man. God is said to have repented (changed His mind) multiple times in the Bible: Gen. 6:6-7; Exodus. 32:12-14; Numbers, 23:19; Deut. 32:36; Judges 2:18; 1 Sam. 15:11, 15:29, 15:35; 2 Samuel. 24:16; Psalms. 90:13, 106:45, 110:4, 135:14; Jeremiah. 4:28, 15:6, 18:8, 18:10, 20:16, 26:3, 26:13, 26:19, 42:10, Ezekiel. 24:14, Hosea. 11:8, 13:14; Joel 1:13-14; Amos 7:3, 7:6; Jonah 3:9-10, 4:2; Zach. 8:14 The prayers of men have changed the plans of God: Exodus. 32:10-14; Numbers 11:1-2, 14:12-20, 16:16:20-35; Deut. 9:13-14, 9:18-20, 9:25; 2 Samuel. 24:17-25; 1 Kings 21:27-29; 2 Chron. 12:5-8; Jeremiah 26:19 God speaks of the future in terms of what may or may not be:Exodus 3:18, 4:9, 13:17; Ezekiel. 12:3 God changes His plans in response to changing circumstances: Exodus 32:10-14, Jeremiah 18:1-10, Jonah. But prophecy that comes true does not prove that all the future is settled fact. God is all knowing in that He knows all that can be known. All the objects of knowledge are known to Him, but the outcome of contingency is not an object of knowledge. This in no way denies God's aseity. Aseity (from Latin a "from" and se "self", plus -ity) refers to the property by which a being exists in and of itself, self-contained
3) Extrapolated prophecy: This is based upon God's perfect knowledge of the present because God knows the hearts of men and the circumstances that encompass all about. Therefore, He can foretell at least in the short term, (in Peters case on that very same day), what we will do in the future, such as He prophesied that Peter would deny Him 3 times. God has all the power to bring about the circumstances for Peter to do so. Remember, just prior to making this statement Jesus said "the devil desires to sift you Peter". Hence, Jesus knowing what was in the heart of Satan at the time as well as the heart of Peter, and all the others involved in the Temple who took part. So, the present condition of Peters heart was perfectly known by Christ. (all knowing). Hence, Jesus knew the current condition of Peter's heart, and Jesus knew the circumstances the devil was arranging in order to sift him as wheat. Another example would be in the book of Deuteronomy when God said that the people would rebel after Moses left them. How did God know this would happen? Because He said He knows what's in their hearts today, therefore God could make this Extrapolated prophecy.
4) Parallel prophecies: That being when a scripture told of an OT event but is applicable to a NT event. OT prophets speak a word for today because the word transcends time giving us a warning not to apostasize in our day.
Hi EG,
I can't recall where Jesus told Peter his sin was forgiven.
Yes i agree he doesn't mention is sin of denial, I can't see that he does either.
Peter a broken man then we find the conversation "Do you love me?
First two times Jesus uses Agape and Peter responds Phileo.
Third time Jesus uses Phileo and Peter upset and says "You know I Phileo you"
Peter denied Jesus 3 times and on the third occasion Jesus looks at Peter
Luke 22:60-62
60 But Peter said, “Man, I do not know what you are saying!”
Immediately, while he was still speaking, the rooster crowed. 61 And the Lord turned and looked at Peter. Then Peter remembered the word of the Lord, how He had said to him, “Before the rooster crows, you will deny Me three times.” 62 So Peter went out and wept bitterly.
I am sure Jesus would have seen the heart of Peter at that point.
It seems to me 3 denials and then 3 questions by Jesus.
So I can't see that Jesus said to him "Your sins are forgiven" But I do think that when Jesus said to Peter "Feed my sheep" then Peter understood what true forgiveness is and how it works.
The Peter who asked Jesus "How many times must I forgive my brother or sister who sins against me?
Just my thoughts brother.
I can't recall where Jesus told Peter his sin was forgiven.
Yes i agree he doesn't mention is sin of denial, I can't see that he does either.
Peter a broken man then we find the conversation "Do you love me?
First two times Jesus uses Agape and Peter responds Phileo.
Third time Jesus uses Phileo and Peter upset and says "You know I Phileo you"
Peter denied Jesus 3 times and on the third occasion Jesus looks at Peter
Luke 22:60-62
60 But Peter said, “Man, I do not know what you are saying!”
Immediately, while he was still speaking, the rooster crowed. 61 And the Lord turned and looked at Peter. Then Peter remembered the word of the Lord, how He had said to him, “Before the rooster crows, you will deny Me three times.” 62 So Peter went out and wept bitterly.
I am sure Jesus would have seen the heart of Peter at that point.
It seems to me 3 denials and then 3 questions by Jesus.
So I can't see that Jesus said to him "Your sins are forgiven" But I do think that when Jesus said to Peter "Feed my sheep" then Peter understood what true forgiveness is and how it works.
The Peter who asked Jesus "How many times must I forgive my brother or sister who sins against me?
Just my thoughts brother.
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Hey bro, no problems, I see what your saying
to me when jesus said feed my sheep, he was telling him, I have forgiven you, now go work, (if he had not yet f Given him or needed Peter to make up for it he would have sad so at least to me before he would send him out to lead a church)
the final Phileo example to me speaks even greater, Peter felt so bad he could not even say agape, (godly sorrow) Jesus said that's fine, even if you can't say that I need you anyway, go do the work I give you,
does that that make Sense?