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Graham actually started using it when his Canadian equivalent, Mr. Charles Templeton, began recording the amount of "decisions" for Christ they received in the meetings in Canada...
Templeton died in apostasy, having been led astray by Theistic Evolutionists at Princeton Theological Seminary...
His legacy of apostasy is recorded in his manifesto called....Farewell to Christianity, My Reasons for leaving the Christian Faith...
OSAS/eternal security adherents will say Templeton was simply never saved....now watch this....the OSAS/ES folks that I have had actually read Templeton's own book, end up changed almost immediately and come to understand like the Bible teaches, one can actively fall or walk away into apostasy....
Templeton died in apostasy, having been led astray by Theistic Evolutionists at Princeton Theological Seminary...
His legacy of apostasy is recorded in his manifesto called....Farewell to Christianity, My Reasons for leaving the Christian Faith...
OSAS/eternal security adherents will say Templeton was simply never saved....now watch this....the OSAS/ES folks that I have had actually read Templeton's own book, end up changed almost immediately and come to understand like the Bible teaches, one can actively fall or walk away into apostasy....
Concerning Templeton who had supposed renounced his faith because of his sick thinking. This was a meeting that a minister had with him when he was older - just before he died.
I firmly believe we can be damaged in our minds from situations and yet still have our hearts intact in Christ. It is with the heart that man believes. God looks on the heart.
Sometimes we can get sick in our thinking and get offended at others and say things that are not true in our hearts..
Below is a man that knows within his heart Christ - so to use Templeton as "proof" that one goes to hell because of what they think and supposedly turn from the faith is not wise. He might have just "turned from the "God" that others were projecting to him".
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“Well, yes, Jesus is the most important thing in my life,” came his reply. “I . . . I . . . I . . . ,” he stuttered, searching for the right word, ‘I know it may sound strange, but I have to say . . . I adore him!” . . .
” . . . Everything good I know, everything decent I know, everything pure I know, I learned from Jesus. Yes . . . yes. And tough! Just look at Jesus. He castigated people. He was angry. People don’t think of him that way, but they don’t read the Bible. He had a righteous anger.
He cared for the oppressed and exploited. There’s no question that he had the highest moral standard, the least duplicity, the greatest compassion, of any human being in history. There have been many other wonderful people, but Jesus is Jesus….’
“Uh . . . but . . . no,’ he said slowly, ‘he’s the most . . .” He stopped, then started again. “In my view,” he declared, “he is the most important human being who has ever existed.”
That’s when Templeton uttered the words I never expected to hear from him. “And if I may put it this way,” he said as his voice began to crack, ‘I . . . miss . . . him!”
With that tears flooded his eyes. He turned his head and looked downward, raising his left hand to shield his face from me. His shoulders bobbed as he wept. . . .
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.....this is not a man that does not believe in Christ.
Here is the link.
https://blogs.thegospelcoalition.org...missing-jesus/
I firmly believe we can be damaged in our minds from situations and yet still have our hearts intact in Christ. It is with the heart that man believes. God looks on the heart.
Sometimes we can get sick in our thinking and get offended at others and say things that are not true in our hearts..
Below is a man that knows within his heart Christ - so to use Templeton as "proof" that one goes to hell because of what they think and supposedly turn from the faith is not wise. He might have just "turned from the "God" that others were projecting to him".
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“Well, yes, Jesus is the most important thing in my life,” came his reply. “I . . . I . . . I . . . ,” he stuttered, searching for the right word, ‘I know it may sound strange, but I have to say . . . I adore him!” . . .
” . . . Everything good I know, everything decent I know, everything pure I know, I learned from Jesus. Yes . . . yes. And tough! Just look at Jesus. He castigated people. He was angry. People don’t think of him that way, but they don’t read the Bible. He had a righteous anger.
He cared for the oppressed and exploited. There’s no question that he had the highest moral standard, the least duplicity, the greatest compassion, of any human being in history. There have been many other wonderful people, but Jesus is Jesus….’
“Uh . . . but . . . no,’ he said slowly, ‘he’s the most . . .” He stopped, then started again. “In my view,” he declared, “he is the most important human being who has ever existed.”
That’s when Templeton uttered the words I never expected to hear from him. “And if I may put it this way,” he said as his voice began to crack, ‘I . . . miss . . . him!”
With that tears flooded his eyes. He turned his head and looked downward, raising his left hand to shield his face from me. His shoulders bobbed as he wept. . . .
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.....this is not a man that does not believe in Christ.
Here is the link.
https://blogs.thegospelcoalition.org...missing-jesus/
I agree that Apostasy is departing from the faith. It has many forms. Those that believe that we lose salvation because of behavior always say we go to hell. That is not put forth in scriptures at all.
In fact scriptures say the exact opposite but there are many warnings in scripture about not holding on to your faith. It is with faith and patience that we inherit the promises of God.
Give up trusting God to bring peace or joy that is our inheritance in Christ to our life and we are departing from the faith and we will be ship-wrecked in this life and not experience the quality of life that is ours in Christ.
These people that Paul was describing in 1 Tim 4:1-5 that were departing from "the faith" ( Greek word for apostasy ) were trusting in their own works.
They were NOT doing great sins - like living in a homosexual lifestyle or murdering people - they were wanting to do "good things for God" - like not be married and not eating certain foods to keep themselves clean.
In fact scriptures say the exact opposite but there are many warnings in scripture about not holding on to your faith. It is with faith and patience that we inherit the promises of God.
Give up trusting God to bring peace or joy that is our inheritance in Christ to our life and we are departing from the faith and we will be ship-wrecked in this life and not experience the quality of life that is ours in Christ.
These people that Paul was describing in 1 Tim 4:1-5 that were departing from "the faith" ( Greek word for apostasy ) were trusting in their own works.
They were NOT doing great sins - like living in a homosexual lifestyle or murdering people - they were wanting to do "good things for God" - like not be married and not eating certain foods to keep themselves clean.
What willybob is saying is true, & the truth is always good.
You know nothing of what's happening in the church today.
You can't see the massive changes resulting from the Falling Away.
He's spot on with Graham.
A preacher can't be a true man of God & a 33rd degree Freemason too.
There's plenty of historical evidence that William Randolf Hearst made Graham popular, & he wasn't even a christian.
An ungodly sinner buying up newspapers to control the media was backing Graham, & folks are too blind to see a problem with that.
Sinners all over the place love Graham, just like they love Joel Osteen.
The world hates true preachers & loves the fakes, because the world only loves its own.
You know nothing of what's happening in the church today.
You can't see the massive changes resulting from the Falling Away.
He's spot on with Graham.
A preacher can't be a true man of God & a 33rd degree Freemason too.
There's plenty of historical evidence that William Randolf Hearst made Graham popular, & he wasn't even a christian.
An ungodly sinner buying up newspapers to control the media was backing Graham, & folks are too blind to see a problem with that.
Sinners all over the place love Graham, just like they love Joel Osteen.
Mark 13
9“But be on your guard; for they will deliver you to the courts, and you will be flogged in the synagogues, and you will stand before governors and kings for My sake, as a testimony to them. 10“The gospel must first be preached to all the nations. 11“When they arrest you and hand you over, do not worry beforehand about what you are to say, but say whatever is given you in that hour; for it is not you who speak, but it is the Holy Spirit. 12“Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child; and children will rise up against parents and have them put to death. 13“You will be hated by all because of My name, but the one who endures to the end, he will be saved.Luke 6
22“Blessed are you when men hate you, and ostracize you, and insult you, and scorn your name as evil, for the sake of the Son of Man. 23“Be glad in that day and leap for joy, for behold, your reward is great in heaven. For in the same way their fathers used to treat the prophets.The world hates true preachers & loves the fakes, because the world only loves its own.
Sinners loved Jesus too - well except for the self-righteous religious people. They hated Him and wanted to kill Him because He was "against the God that was of their own making in their minds".
As far as maligning others in the body of Christ :
Galatians 5:15-16 (NASB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] But if you bite and devour one another, take care that you are not consumed by one another.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh.
1 Peter 2:1-2 (NASB)
[SUP] [/SUP]
Therefore, putting aside all malice and all deceit and hypocrisy and envy and all slander,
[SUP]2 [/SUP] like newborn babies, long for the pure milk of the word, so that by it you may grow in respect to salvation,
As far as maligning others in the body of Christ :
Galatians 5:15-16 (NASB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] But if you bite and devour one another, take care that you are not consumed by one another.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh.
1 Peter 2:1-2 (NASB)
[SUP] [/SUP]
Therefore, putting aside all malice and all deceit and hypocrisy and envy and all slander,
[SUP]2 [/SUP] like newborn babies, long for the pure milk of the word, so that by it you may grow in respect to salvation,
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Hebrews 12
14Pursue peace with all men, and the sanctification without which no one will see the Lord. 15See to it that no one comes short of the grace of God; that no root of bitterness springing up causes trouble, and by it many be defiled;16that there be no immoral or godless person like Esau, who sold his own birthright for a single meal. 17For you know that even afterwards, when he desired to inherit the blessing, he was rejected, for he found no place for repentance, though he sought for it with tears.
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yes Stephan; the dark occultist Randolph Hearst who backed Graham in 1947 also backed Hugh Hefner about the same time...note: nobody financially backed the apostle Paul, nor would he have allowed it.........the gospel is all about money today, no different than Amazon, or Walmart.....
One of the 4 sore judgements upon God's disobedient children is false prophets…He sends them along with strong delusion because they love not the truth, but desire lies that appeal to their lusts….
One of the 4 sore judgements upon God's disobedient children is false prophets…He sends them along with strong delusion because they love not the truth, but desire lies that appeal to their lusts….
Psalm 91:14-16 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Because he hath set his love upon me, therefore will I deliver him: I will set him on high, because he hath known my name.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] He shall call upon me, and I will answer him: I will be with him in trouble; I will deliver him, and honour him.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] With long life will I satisfy him, and shew him my salvation.
Billy Graham/Age
98 years
November 7, 1918
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Because he hath set his love upon me, therefore will I deliver him: I will set him on high, because he hath known my name.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] He shall call upon me, and I will answer him: I will be with him in trouble; I will deliver him, and honour him.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] With long life will I satisfy him, and shew him my salvation.
Billy Graham/Age
98 years
November 7, 1918
I am not going to get into he said, she said with you grace....Read his book.....and his life..He committed the unpardonable sin...Even Billy Graham stated he lost his "best friend" to the devil, when Templeton died.
This same death bed foolishness was reported with Christopher Hitches, that he also came to Jesus when he died and his wife said no such thing happened....he cursed God with his last breath....
I know OSAS/ES has to make their case, but the facts in the Bible cannot be ignored and we cannot add to things in the ned of life of men like Templeton, Hutchens and soon to be Richard Dawkins...
This same death bed foolishness was reported with Christopher Hitches, that he also came to Jesus when he died and his wife said no such thing happened....he cursed God with his last breath....
I know OSAS/ES has to make their case, but the facts in the Bible cannot be ignored and we cannot add to things in the ned of life of men like Templeton, Hutchens and soon to be Richard Dawkins...
I cannot comment on Graham, but I can state this fact. My Mom and Dad wee ambassadors for Billy Graham and they stated after his crusades, not one of the thousands that went down for a decision were ever, contacted, made into followers or placed into any kind of church afterwards....My Parents were told by Graham ministries that was not their mandate...they also never worked with local pastors or churches....it was all about Billy....There is also history that proves Graham wanted to be President and was engaged in Politics and big time......He was paving the way to make the USA a theocracy and to legalize morality.... Other questionable men like Jerry Falwell and James Dobson were the same way....
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That I dont know Stephan, but in a sense it is true, if on means to make a decision to forsake the world and sin to follow Christ. But I dont think that is what they mean by it........Grahams' famous saying is; God doesn't see the evil heart of Billy Graham, He only sees Jesus.. He also invented the clothed in Jesus righteousness myth by building upon Luther/Calvin lies.....He must think God is blind in one eye, and cant see out of the other, thus as one brother said, they perceive Him to be like Bozo the clown playing peekaboo with sinners pretending to be unable to see them for what they are
.....totally ridiculous, for the eyes of the Lord go throughout he earth discerning the righteous from the wicked....
.....totally ridiculous, for the eyes of the Lord go throughout he earth discerning the righteous from the wicked....This is a very good point Bruce. What we think and how we feel about what we think unfortunately is something that will be with us until we leave these earthly bodies. How we look at the Bible and the things we learn and how we learn have to go through our flesh. Depending on how much we have learned to mistrust our flesh and totally abandon it for the truth that Jesus brought will be the deciding factor in how much we allow the process of our minds being renewed by the Holy Spirit and the Word.
The only way for us Christians to have sanity and a steady consistent peace while still here ON THIS EARTH is by faith and patience in Jesus. Remembering and being reminded of all Jesus has done for us in this great salvation He gave., so we can inherit the promises He has for us while we are still here on earth as you have reminded us here in your post.
Our minds., our flesh cannot be trusted. Men on their own are not strong enough to hold down the fort. We need Jesus Who is the Anchor or we WILL shipwreck our faith. The things that happen here on earth to humanity are so horrible in and of themselves no one can stand up in the face of it. We have to have a daily growing intimate knowledge and intimate relationship with Jesus through the HolySpirit's teaching and enlightenment through the Word. Without the Holy Spirit each day reminding us and filling us., we are able to fall big time.
There is no other conclusion I can come to than Jesus being the One who keeps our souls safe while we wait for the redemption of our bodies before we leave earth. Charles Dickens had it right when he wrote about Scrooge in "The Christmas Carol". Scrooge understood that even a half cooked potato or an undigested piece of beef can alter a man's perception. That is how pathetically weak and needy man is.
It doesn't surprise or shock me that Christians who were once used by God for many years fell prey to their human weaknesses later in life. That they had forgotten they were delivered from death while they walked day in and day out in this world. While they confronted their humanity here and ended up making a ship wreck of their faith and lives.
The Bible even talks about this and why the believer is sick and weak. I don't have my concordance here tonight but the verse has the words "they have forgotten they were once forgiven and delivered" Those who forget to count on the (Jesus given forgiveness/redemption) in their lives - will fall. When we humans forget we were cleansed already., delivered from condemnation and sin - we will fall flat on our faces. The Bible tells us this.
We NEED to have Jesus be the Savior of our souls. We can't maintain ourselves here on earth without Him., let alone maintain something so important as the keeping of our salvation on into eternity.
A side note here., I've worked with elderly people for a bunch of years. I've seen the cream of the crop of people who accomplished great things in their lives. These amazing people who now reside in the Memory care section of this facility were once very great people who traveled all over the world. They were acquainted with world leaders and even helped make great strides for our country and people.
The man who can't remember his name and makes a mess in the bathroom was once an personal adviser for one of the Presidents in the 1940s. Another lady here who screams at everyone because she believes they are going to kill her was once a business owner in Manhattan NY where all the movie stars congregated. Her stores are still being run by her grand children and great grandchildren who never come to see her.
How can anyone have faith in their own abilities outside of the workings of Jesus in their lives? What we think and do and say is subject to all kinds of conditions here on earth. We need supernatural intervention every day or we will be at the mercy of our humanness.
The man who can't remember his name and makes a mess in the bathroom was once an personal adviser for one of the Presidents in the 1940s. Another lady here who screams at everyone because she believes they are going to kill her was once a business owner in Manhattan NY where all the movie stars congregated. Her stores are still being run by her grand children and great grandchildren who never come to see her.
How can anyone have faith in their own abilities outside of the workings of Jesus in their lives? What we think and do and say is subject to all kinds of conditions here on earth. We need supernatural intervention every day or we will be at the mercy of our humanness.
Among many righteous, Daniel, Job, Noah, Zacharias, Elisabeth, Abel, Hannah, Cornelius, Nathaniel, were all admired by God for being righteous.. How could this be according to today's flim-flam gospel they must have been self-righteous I would suppose
according to today's flim-flam gospel they must have been self-righteous I would suppose
Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace you have been saved through faith.
And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,
not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
Titus 3:5
He saved us, not because of works done by us in
righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by
the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,
Galatians 2:16
Yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but
through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ
Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works
of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.
Isaiah 64:6 a
We have all become like one who is unclean, and all
our righteous deeds are like a polluted garment.
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i don't know why you insist upon numbering yourself among the wicked Magnita...They are contrasted against the righteous on every page of the text....Isaiah was speaking to the nation of Israel as a whole, whose religious works were as filthy rags to God, because they were still in rebellion to Him, then he contrasts them against the righteous....please take your pet scriptures that you think supports sin, and then read them in the whole context of the chapter... the righteous are always contrasted against the wicked, yet you always number yourself among the wicked......sinners or saints
, can't be both, because they are the opposite in the text......all through the book off Galatians Paul is battling with the Jews and their religious laws "ie" the works of the law (the law of circumcision and ceremonies) he is not referencing THE TEN COMMANDMENTS (law of the Spirit)....but you wont read the whole chapter in context, but choose pet verses out of context to justify sin..
Eph 2-8,9 is another memorized verse by the wilful sinners...they forget verse 10 on purpose, and don't realize that its speaking of man working together with God in a covenant relationship, and not rebellion/sin...... faith is NOT DISOBEDIENT, lest it be the faith of devils..its God's grace working together with our faith, that establishes the law of the Spirit in the heart of the redeemed.....please wake up and smell the coffee and put away the sugary cupcakes.......Jesus is not a sugar daddy that supports sin and rebellion. God loves sinners so much that He will send them to hell for all eternity if they do not repent and forsake their ways. It would be hateful to the righteous for Him to allow those of filthy raged garments to enter into the kingdom...its the white robes of the saints contrasted against the filthy rags of the wicked.. all must come clean with God in repentance and put on the white robes of righteousness...
also, are you so foolish to think the Publican continued on in sin after coming clean with God in repentance?
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news flash: Cornelius works were not that of filthy rags, but rather God approves his works and says he was a just and devout man,,,,this was even before Peter came and brought him the gospel.....yes i do think he was a rare individual, none the less his good deeds of righteousness came before God as a memorial...the works of filthy rags are never before God as an admonishment...how do they miss these simple child like stories in the text
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news flash: Cornelius works were not that of filthy rags, but rather God approves his works and says he was a just and devout man,,,,this was even before Peter came and brought him the gospel.....yes i do think he was a rare individual, none the less his good deeds of righteousness came before God as a memorial...the works of filthy rags are never before God as an admonishment...how do they miss these simple child like stories in the text
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nowhere inn the text is Jesus righteousness transferred to anyone..But rather faith is reckoned as righteousness..Noah, Job, and Daniel were delivered by their own righteousness said the prophet Ezekiel..righteousness is simply doing what is right via heart purity. Without purity of heart the works then become that of self-righteousness......be blessed