Preterists - Put up or shutter up
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It says that men will seek to die and won't be able to. Who hasn't marveled over how that will be possible? I agree it's weird. 
But I can't say it's not true because there it is in scripture.
But I can't say it's not true because there it is in scripture.
Its like me saying "This flu is so bad I just want to die" yet im not immortal. Lets not get ridicilous here. Why am I even commenting on this. I am done here
This is absurd.
Wooden literalism right here. Listen; no one will be immortal unless they have glorified risen bodies in Christ Jesus.
Its like me saying "This flu is so bad I just want to die" yet im not immortal. Lets not get ridicilous here. Why am I even commenting on this. I am done here This is absurd.
Its like me saying "This flu is so bad I just want to die" yet im not immortal. Lets not get ridicilous here. Why am I even commenting on this. I am done here
This is absurd.
Do you see some other view of what it means to seek death but not be able to die for 5 months?
We're sharing our opinions here, so have at it.
Well then, give your opinion on what it means.
Do you see some other view of what it means to seek death but not be able to die for 5 months?
We're sharing our opinions here, so have at it.
Do you see some other view of what it means to seek death but not be able to die for 5 months?
We're sharing our opinions here, so have at it.
It is a good idea to interpret the unclear texts in light of the clear ones. The book of Revelation is highly symbolic. Whereas the letters of Paul are pretty straightforward, particularly 1 Corinthians 15 which discusses when Death ceases to be, and how that works out.
So I take the plain teachings of Paul Peter and Jesus and apply them to the book of Revelation, rather than adjusting the plain teachings to the book of Revelation.
That is my take on it.
I think Willie will like your "I suggest."
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oh, man, i'd have to write a book! lol
i am currently studying full preterism (thank you, Locutus for the tools ), but i think amil falls in the partial preterist camp.
basically, the amil position is that most, but not all things are yet fulfilled. from what i've read thus far, that's the major distinction between full and partial. we were raised in dispensational churches, but i can no longer see that view in the Scriptures.
you can call me amil, EG. i'll still like you, and i trust you'll still like me. see how this works, folks? no need to destroy friendships over eschatology.
i am currently studying full preterism (thank you, Locutus for the tools
), but i think amil falls in the partial preterist camp.basically, the amil position is that most, but not all things are yet fulfilled. from what i've read thus far, that's the major distinction between full and partial. we were raised in dispensational churches, but i can no longer see that view in the Scriptures.
you can call me amil, EG. i'll still like you, and i trust you'll still like me. see how this works, folks? no need to destroy friendships over eschatology.
It does not matter how we interpret scripture prophesy, We will not go to hell if we get it wrong, and are still brother or sister if we disagree.
I always saw Amil as those who think Jesus returns at the end the millennium, hence the term A (after) Mill. so would not understand full preterism is any different. Would be interesting to learn what is different.
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The people I always spoke to, and books I read always called it amil, or After millennium, not preterism. I guess maybe I love the topic, but hate discussing it because of all the hate and attacks against people who disagree in this subject. Especially in BDF, I can hardly take more than a day or two. then I get so disgusted with all the hate on a non salvic issue, I leave.
I guess I would be labeled a Preterist because I really do believe most of Revelation comes straight out of many of John's impressions of the OT prophecies, and that he wrote directly to the 1st-Century men sitting in the East Asian churches along the trade route those 7 cities were built on. And that he was mainly describing the beginning of the kingdom of Christ's rule and His defeat of the Jewish system of sacrifices.
I just can't read it as a Crystal Ball written for people who would be born 2,000 years in the future. If that were the case, I know there must have been a bunch of local congregations sitting there wondering why in the world they received this letter full of craziness they couldn't make head nor tails of.
I just can't read it as a Crystal Ball written for people who would be born 2,000 years in the future. If that were the case, I know there must have been a bunch of local congregations sitting there wondering why in the world they received this letter full of craziness they couldn't make head nor tails of.
that's right, bro!
Greek prefix "A" meaning no, like when i would tell the doc the kids were afebrile (no fever), and millennium = no literal millennium. so we don't believe the 1000 years is meant to be literal.
one really, really needs good Old Testament underpinning for The Revelation. imo, The Revelation was written to encourage holiness in God's people, to comfort us in all ages, and above all, to show the beauty of Christ.
Greek prefix "A" meaning no, like when i would tell the doc the kids were afebrile (no fever), and millennium = no literal millennium. so we don't believe the 1000 years is meant to be literal.
one really, really needs good Old Testament underpinning for The Revelation. imo, The Revelation was written to encourage holiness in God's people, to comfort us in all ages, and above all, to show the beauty of Christ.
I never even realized that Amillennialism and PostMillennialism existed.
Amillennialism in Christian eschatology involves the rejection of the belief that Jesus will have a literal, thousand-year-long, physical reign on the earth. This rejection contrasts with premillennial and some postmillennial interpretations of chapter 20 of the Book of Revelation.
postmillennialism
Postmillennialism looks very odd. Then you would know the date of Jesus's return.
Amillennialism is indeed the other name for Preterism.
Amillennialism in Christian eschatology involves the rejection of the belief that Jesus will have a literal, thousand-year-long, physical reign on the earth. This rejection contrasts with premillennial and some postmillennial interpretations of chapter 20 of the Book of Revelation.
postmillennialism
- the doctrine that the Second Coming of Christ will be the culmination of the prophesied millennium of blessedness.
Postmillennialism looks very odd. Then you would know the date of Jesus's return.
Amillennialism is indeed the other name for Preterism.
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I see it different, I see that literal translation would not lend to fulfillment, This I could not see it that way, And for this reason I question all preterism or amil beliefs (not judge, just question).
I also look to the past. Daniel was given prophesies some of which would not be fulfilled for centuries. Same with many of the other prophets. so we do have historical and biblical precedence of prophesy given to people who could not understand it (imagine what Daniel thought when he was given his prophesies concerning the kingdoms of men, and the coming off the messiah, and the messiah getting killed, or Talk about crazy! or Ezekiel prophesy of the dry bones, or the prophesies which show Israel no longer existing as a nation living in her land (not fulfilled until 70 AD) They must have thought same way 1st century people thought of Revelation. or even some of Jesus words, like in Matt 24. which were impossible in his day.
to me, John opens up daniels prophesies more for us to understand. Muck like Daniel was first given a basic prophesy (ch 2) then more detailed prophesy (ch 7) then even greater details of a few off the kingdoms (8-12) with a specific prophesy concerning messiah and the end in chapter 9, To me revelation is the NT daniel.
I also look to the past. Daniel was given prophesies some of which would not be fulfilled for centuries. Same with many of the other prophets. so we do have historical and biblical precedence of prophesy given to people who could not understand it (imagine what Daniel thought when he was given his prophesies concerning the kingdoms of men, and the coming off the messiah, and the messiah getting killed, or Talk about crazy! or Ezekiel prophesy of the dry bones, or the prophesies which show Israel no longer existing as a nation living in her land (not fulfilled until 70 AD) They must have thought same way 1st century people thought of Revelation. or even some of Jesus words, like in Matt 24. which were impossible in his day.
to me, John opens up daniels prophesies more for us to understand. Muck like Daniel was first given a basic prophesy (ch 2) then more detailed prophesy (ch 7) then even greater details of a few off the kingdoms (8-12) with a specific prophesy concerning messiah and the end in chapter 9, To me revelation is the NT daniel.
that's right, bro!
Greek prefix "A" meaning no, like when i would tell the doc the kids were afebrile (no fever), and millennium = no literal millennium. so we don't believe the 1000 years is meant to be literal.
one really, really needs good Old Testament underpinning for The Revelation. imo, The Revelation was written to encourage holiness in God's people, to comfort us in all ages, and above all, to show the beauty of Christ.
Greek prefix "A" meaning no, like when i would tell the doc the kids were afebrile (no fever), and millennium = no literal millennium. so we don't believe the 1000 years is meant to be literal.
one really, really needs good Old Testament underpinning for The Revelation. imo, The Revelation was written to encourage holiness in God's people, to comfort us in all ages, and above all, to show the beauty of Christ.
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that's right, bro!
Greek prefix "A" meaning no, like when i would tell the doc the kids were afebrile (no fever), and millennium = no literal millennium. so we don't believe the 1000 years is meant to be literal.
one really, really needs good Old Testament underpinning for The Revelation. imo, The Revelation was written to encourage holiness in God's people, to comfort us in all ages, and above all, to show the beauty of Christ.
Greek prefix "A" meaning no, like when i would tell the doc the kids were afebrile (no fever), and millennium = no literal millennium. so we don't believe the 1000 years is meant to be literal.
one really, really needs good Old Testament underpinning for The Revelation. imo, The Revelation was written to encourage holiness in God's people, to comfort us in all ages, and above all, to show the beauty of Christ.
No millenium, I can see that I always thought A meant (post) Thanks for that info makes sense now..lol