Not By Works

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eternally-gratefull

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A modern version Of similar people with a different error... they are self righteous and hypocrites like Pharisees..


You state Salvation is perfected by works earlier...

Nope. Never said that, the workers do.

Salvation is perfected by God, who said he will complete his work,
 

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Paul is speaking to you and intone who teaches we are saved originally by the hearing of faith, then must perfect that salvation by works,
he just happ me to speak to people who taught law. What makes them any different from many in the modern day chuch who teach the same, even though they do not use works,


If works of the law given god god will not save you, what makes you think any work at all will keep you saved?


You say must perfect that Salvation by works.
 
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I think a lot of people here would not understand truth spoken in love at all....

We were counseling a couple at one time and the husband was getting jealous of other men in the church looking at his wife....
We spent 4 -8 hours with them trying to understand if there were any deeper issues, that was causing this....


At the last session, the husband was really out of control and I told him to settle down....My wife finally asked if she could bring in the wife and we could talk together...we did and my wife looked at the mans wife and said...Honey, you know I love you....now put on some clothes and this will stop[The wife was known very wearing low cut blouses and skirts with slits all the way up to to thigh and pants/jeans that were way to tight]....and it did...my wife told me later she let it carry on for 4-8 weeks because she was afraid to "judge" the woman....but finally the Spirit gave her boldness...and in love she told her how the pig eats the slop...The couple took that advice and told us later they loved us for being that direct...

My wife acted in love had the fruit of the spirit, manifested the fruit of the spirit and the couple were spiritually mature enough to receive that kind of directness....

We have made the church so politically and spiritually correct, there are many who do not know how to respond to direct boldness in love...

Understanding how, when and to what pressure to apply sandpaper to people is a spirit led endeavor....

A friend had a church and he had a couple that taught a Sunday school class on spiritual warfare...they began teaching that Christians can be demonized in spirit and even babies can be in the womb...he was afraid to do anything for fear of offense and people leaving...I finally told him just pull them aside and say...stop teaching this...it is wrong, and this is where the Bible says it wrong...and show them the verses...he did that 4 or 5 times privately...the couple would promise to stop and then kept on going....He finally went to their class and as soon as they brought it up, he stopped them and said they were done and could pack up their things and were welcome to join in the main service, but they would never again teach Sunday school in that church again....they stomped off and lied on him all over town....

A few weeks alter many who were taking that class thanked him for stopping it, because they were very hurt by the couples teaching....he also saw people who had stopped coming to sunday school return....



I also think people are far too serious for this chat board[myself included] nobody knows anyone here and they act like we are some big happy family....its a chat board....


At the end of the day people do not respond to having their pride scraped off....I know I hate it when it happens to me...but if you submit to teh process...God can use you
I like that story, speaks of a lot of truth, I agree sometimes we have too be brutally honest with folks, I'd rather someone be brutally honest with me than beat around the bush and feed me cake and ice cream that never works, yea I don't like it either sometimes it hurts, the truth can hurt at times, but when I come to realize the person was speaking of a truth I'm humbled and have a lot more respect for that person because they were honest with me and didn't feed something I just wanted to hear. Actually most times the friendship grows by leaps and bounds.

A lot of times the truth isn't what we want to hear, when we are spiritually Back peddling we don't see it like others do within our own selves.
 
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Desertsrose

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well I added that tongue in cheek

but..the truth is unless God is a puppet master, OF COURSE he had a choice

just like all those who ran out of dinghies and drowned

they could have served God but CHOSE not to

I chose to have a sandwich for breakfast. coulda had a V8 :eek:
7Seas is that you? Rekeyed? :)

I saw your name in a post and it had guest under your old user name, and I was bummed. I hope that's you and your back. If not and you're someone else - Welcome to CC! But if it's you, Welcome Back 7seas!!! :)
 
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Has God changed?
Or is the depth of how we understand the Lord changed from the OT to Jesus.
Jesus brought God closer to us, from God as holy through to God as friend.

Some talk of their lack of reality of finding victory as just looking for the truth
in the wrong place, rather than their failure to comprehend and put into action
the very promises of Jesus.

Until you learn how to forgive all for the hurt others have caused you, you will never
find communion with Christ.

It is obvious those who willingly compromise have sold out.
 
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The wormhole we are in is a place where those who are bound by their emotional
history deny it, and claim emotions do not drive them. It is because to admit this
reality would set them free so it must in their own minds be kept from them.

It is ironic those who claim to be free of emotion and only talking facts testify to the
opposite. You know you are free from something when you can define it and feel it,
so that you can put yourself on the scale of victim or victor. If you do not even have
a scale it is because it holds you wherever you are and you have no sense of the
differences that war every day in your lives.

It reminds me of the lady who claimed though she was slain in the spirit often, emotions
did not enter in to her worship of Jesus. It is like saying loving your children is purely an
acknowledgement of you role in their lives, rather than you are interwoven in their successes
and failures and feel them all personally. This is what I would describe as real emotional
and spiritual blindness, and rather than Jesus setting them free from anything, they have been
taken captive often of bitterness and animosity against a certain group from their past which is
declared by the group they call the most evil in the world today. That is the thing that dominates
their spiritual lives, and the word I read most often in this regard from them are legalists.
 
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America has lost hope. Because the churches has lost its flame.

if we want to help. we need to give them hope. not judgment, and let them experience that hope
I agree....AMERICA is ripe to be judged....and this whole thing today with LIL KIM sending a missile over Japan could be the straw that breaks the camel's back.........serious!
 
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Jesus is the only hope their is in this lost and broken world, that gets worse everyday, and the legalistic mindset and teaching pushes people away from Christ, not toward him.
And Jesus is being ostrcized, ridiculed and legislated into a corner by an ever increasingly liberalistic, anti-Christian, godless stance by those who love darkness!
 
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my church has a starting point that allows non-believers, maybe but not sure believers , people who have not been in church or had any type of relashionship with God in many years, to ask questions, and get truthful, but POLITE answers.


shoving a Bible in front of someone and saying " believe it, or burn in hell forever " is NOT the best way to reach the lost.
You know......it seems that Jesus built a dialogue with the simple lost like the woman at the well and then testified of the truth....the flip side of the coin was to rake the religious hypocrites who were leading the simple to ruin over the coals.
 
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we also have to remember what that flame or light is, It is somethign that draws people to God. not turns people away from God and back into darkness.

That is LOVE
I have said numerous times that bugs are smarter than most humans.....at least they will flock to the light ;) Haha
 
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it means I trust God, what he says to about me, and what he says he did to save me, and what he is offering me,

if I do, I am saved, nothing more, Nothing less
Amen....born again of INCORRUPTABLE SEED from above....those who teach a losable salvation seem to be ignorant of what INCORRUPTABLE SEED means.....!
 
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I wonder why people cannot call Jesus by his name.....does using messiah make one more holy or something?

Gabriel-->>You shall have a son and shall call his name JESUS........JESUS is his name.....!!
 

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I wonder why people cannot call Jesus by his name.....does using messiah make one more holy or something?

Gabriel-->>You shall have a son and shall call his name JESUS........JESUS is his name.....!!
Actually, it is Yeshua ha Meshechia...not sure if I spelled that last because its Messiah in Hebrew. Jesus the Messiah.
 
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Those who keep pushing some immediate love of God and instant obedience unto all commands are ignorant of the fact that the love of God is a process of growth and maturity....it is not an overnight process purchased at the local drive thru!!