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I'm sorry to have to say this this way, but this is a bold-faced lie, because I've done it several times out of the book of Hebrews.
As far as orthodox authorities, such as commentaries, I've also done several times.
But do you know what pt4 & others do when you post proof till you're blue in the face? They comdemn the commentaries, saying it's the words of men, & twist the plain scripture you use to deny the truth, and then, if that's not bad enuff, they will go on a rant attack of how you don't know what you're talking about.
The one being cynical is YOU.
Yeah, I noticed that with a few women from the moment I joined this site. They seem to be genuinely wanting to learn and just innocently asking questions and then either them or one of their gal pals will pounce on you. I've also seen how they try and pretend they are such good Christian ladies who are concerned about others arguing.... all the while they play both sides and sow discord among others then set back and enjoy the drama and for some reason they like to attack mostly men....
A lot of women on here are really good at manipulation and seem to enjoy it...They funny thing is they think their so sly that nobody see's what their doing.
I'm a woman so I guess they gonna pull my woman card now...Oh well, I'm just calling it like I see it...It is what it is, I guess.
But people really do need to be careful who they are taking up for and watch what others are doing because I've seen 'em pull many a people down into their little traps!
A lot of women on here are really good at manipulation and seem to enjoy it...They funny thing is they think their so sly that nobody see's what their doing.
I'm a woman so I guess they gonna pull my woman card now...Oh well, I'm just calling it like I see it...It is what it is, I guess.
But people really do need to be careful who they are taking up for and watch what others are doing because I've seen 'em pull many a people down into their little traps!
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I have not ignored my mother
I was the only family member left standing despite her best efforts to annihilate me. I have been her 'special' target forever and half
I have agonized over her and what she has done, not just to me but to my dad and even my younger brother. I have prayed with and for her and she is a dangerous woman.
She has called the police on me, reported me to adult protection more than once (and by the way, they all showed up but to God's faithfulness, all concerned parties realized the fault was not with me and no abuse was being committed upon her)
she has falsely accused my husband of hitting her, screaming at me to 'help' her, while not knowing I had a perfect view of the actual goings on and it was she who was kicking, punching and slapping my husband while he tried to calm her and restrain her insanity.
I had to have her removed from the home at one point and we visited her in the assisted living facility where she had been placed...at that time she needed no assistance....and she wanted another 'start' and we gave it to her and allowed her back.
Ultimately, she has been placed in a proper assisted living facility...I made sure of that. I can no longer visit her as we are over 2000 miles apart. My brother relieved her of all her money at one point while he had care of her, suffered a divorce and gave the care of her over to me. I love my brother and have loved him deeply but I am afraid he is more like her than he would care to acknowledge.
so, he claimed all that money...not a small amount, and was given at least another 150K...as his own and his inheritance even though my mother asked for at least half the money from the sale of her condo back...that she had paid for...but he would not
they charged me falsely, lied about me, accused me of things that they actually did and it has taken years for me to stop hurting and even somehow blaming myself for what I never did
I write the above with no feelings. I am no longer hurt. I live with what they did because you cannot repair, you can only forgive. Neither have ever asked me for forgiveness and both blame the other.
This is not who I want to be. They are forgiven but they would not even know of what as they do not acknowledge what they have done to myself and quite a few others.
This, has taken place over 10 years and only with God's help have I been set free of the snare of this false woman who says Jesus out one side of her mouth, while spitting venom out the other.
It just doesn't matter anymore. Who knows...there may come a time when you will no longer have to deal with your mother.
God has released me from mine. Prayer is effective at any distance and my trying to 'help' her has never effected any sort of benefit. Only God can help this woman see what she has done and show her that she destroyed what she said she loved.
learn from it all? well of course. I did my best to keep the family together. But individuals are responsible and you cannot force another even for their own good.
I cannot express the turmoil I have been through because of my mother. I still love her. But it's over.
Again, you lie.
First, anyone that calls you on the carpet for your false teaching you accuse of malice & slandering, then state something similar to the above.
Purposely posting such garbage makes you a deceiver & a liar.
Here's one of those posts:
You say people that believe in living faith have a works-righteousness mindset & then proceed with your own malice & slander.
Do you want me to quote some more?
First, anyone that calls you on the carpet for your false teaching you accuse of malice & slandering, then state something similar to the above.
Purposely posting such garbage makes you a deceiver & a liar.
Here's one of those posts:
You say people that believe in living faith have a works-righteousness mindset & then proceed with your own malice & slander.
Do you want me to quote some more?
Paul teaches something here:
1 Corinthians 7
17But as God hath distributed to every man, as the Lord hath called every one, so let him walk. And so ordain I in all churches. 18Is any man called being circumcised? let him not become uncircumcised. Is any called in uncircumcision? let him not be circumcised. 19Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God. 20Let every man abide in the same calling wherein he was called.
21Art thou called being a servant? care not for it: but if thou mayest be made free, use it rather. 22For he that is called in the Lord, being a servant, is the Lord's freeman: likewise also he that is called, being free, is Christ's servant. 23Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men. 24Brethren, let every man, wherein he is called, therein abide with God.
Does anyone read Paul stating that what is important is Keeping GOD's Commandments?
And wether you were a servant by circumcision in the past you are now a free man in Christ and where you were free(not circumcised)
you a now Christ's servant paid for by Christ to be at liberty.
Is this what most receive?
1 Corinthians 7
17But as God hath distributed to every man, as the Lord hath called every one, so let him walk. And so ordain I in all churches. 18Is any man called being circumcised? let him not become uncircumcised. Is any called in uncircumcision? let him not be circumcised. 19Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God. 20Let every man abide in the same calling wherein he was called.
21Art thou called being a servant? care not for it: but if thou mayest be made free, use it rather. 22For he that is called in the Lord, being a servant, is the Lord's freeman: likewise also he that is called, being free, is Christ's servant. 23Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men. 24Brethren, let every man, wherein he is called, therein abide with God.
Does anyone read Paul stating that what is important is Keeping GOD's Commandments?
And wether you were a servant by circumcision in the past you are now a free man in Christ and where you were free(not circumcised)
you a now Christ's servant paid for by Christ to be at liberty.
Is this what most receive?
their is nothing wrong with what grace said in what you quoted. nothing. he did not dismiss sin, he pointed out that saying one does not sinis false teaching and that one that begins to depend on works is headed in the wrong direction.
now, I am speaking of what you quoted here. don't drag up something else, I am referring only to these quotes. nothing wrong.
it seems you are assuming that because one does not constantly decry sin and shout about righteous living, that they condone sin, and do not care about righteous living. this is called guilt by association, jumping to conclusions.
now, I am speaking of what you quoted here. don't drag up something else, I am referring only to these quotes. nothing wrong.
it seems you are assuming that because one does not constantly decry sin and shout about righteous living, that they condone sin, and do not care about righteous living. this is called guilt by association, jumping to conclusions.
Given you say this about the "commandments" here and have always said this about the commandments here ,could you then explain for people here what you meant when you posted about the Commandments he gave us for a reason in the Polygamy thread, post #84?
Your words are below and I would like to really know what you meant by the bolded below....
You come here and state there is only 1 command, but preach law in other threads....could you reconcile your beliefs for us?...I for one get very confused by all your contradictions...
Your words are below and I would like to really know what you meant by the bolded below....
You come here and state there is only 1 command, but preach law in other threads....could you reconcile your beliefs for us?...I for one get very confused by all your contradictions...
Where are these verses of God stating His approval of polygamy? I have given multiple verses showing otherwise, but seen none that contradict. By the way, it is God who likens idolatry to adultery. Do you accuse Him also of doing so for the same reasons you ascribe to others? Do you think He gave us commandments just because He felt like it, or was it because the breaking of them hurt others as well as the person committing the sin? Yes, even hurt them emotionally. Do you think God cares not for how people feel? He draws near to the brokenhearted. Infidelity causes a lot of broken hearts
gb9 - Let me say this simply. I put no limits on how God works or who He works with.
I can only talk about where I am and how I understand things.
It is important to understand that walking in love and openness is the way of Christ.
My conversations were always about what is possible, not about saying who has or has
not arrived. Once you understand a sinner who is saved is a saint washed clean, and has
the ability to walk in Jesus's ways.
What I have found illuminating is how for some to even say these words is something wrong,
or to suggest walking righteously is possible is works salvation.
It is plain that until people can understand they are taken into deception by rejecting these
promises in Christ and discourage a lot of good people by this continual antagonism.
I can only talk about where I am and how I understand things.
It is important to understand that walking in love and openness is the way of Christ.
My conversations were always about what is possible, not about saying who has or has
not arrived. Once you understand a sinner who is saved is a saint washed clean, and has
the ability to walk in Jesus's ways.
What I have found illuminating is how for some to even say these words is something wrong,
or to suggest walking righteously is possible is works salvation.
It is plain that until people can understand they are taken into deception by rejecting these
promises in Christ and discourage a lot of good people by this continual antagonism.
This is either an outright lie or your are the victim of someone teaching you an outright lie and you have never studied to show yourself approved.....The first generation died in the wilderness and of the first generation only Joshua and Caleb entered in. The rest of the first generation died and did not enter into rest because of their unbelief....
Numbers 32.10-13
[SUP]10 [/SUP]So the Lord’s anger burned in that day, and He swore, saying, [SUP]11 [/SUP]‘None of the men who came up from Egypt, from twenty years old and upward, shall see the land which I swore to Abraham, to Isaac and to Jacob; for they did not follow Me fully, [SUP]12 [/SUP]except Caleb the son of Jephunneh the Kenizzite and Joshua the son of Nun, for they have followed the Lord fully.’ [SUP]13 [/SUP]So the Lord’s anger burned against Israel, and He made them wander in the wilderness forty years, until the entire generation of those who had done evil in the sight of the Lord was destroyed.
Hebrews 3.12-16
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Take care, brethren, that there not be in any one of you an evil, unbelieving heart that falls away from the living God. [SUP]13 [/SUP]But encourage one another day after day, as long as it is still called “Today,” so that none of you will be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin. [SUP]14 [/SUP]For we have become partakers of Christ, if we hold fast the beginning of our assurance firm until the end, [SUP]15 [/SUP]while it is said,
“Today if you hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts, as when they provoked Me.”
[SUP]16 [/SUP]For who provoked Him when they had heard? Indeed, did not all those who came out of Egypt led by Moses? [SUP]17 [/SUP]And with whom was He angry for forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose bodies fell in the wilderness? [SUP]18 [/SUP]And to whom did He swear that they would not enter His rest, but to those who were disobedient? [SUP]19 [/SUP]So we see that they were not able to enter because of unbelief.
You sir, need to stop posting fiction....
Dear reader, now watch them try to explain the truth of God 's word all away....and that what God did above and the write of Hebrews says is not really what God did or says....
Dear reader, I urge you to read the story of the deliverance of Moses for yourself and also Hebrews 3 & 4.....and be warned that there are deceivers who have turned the grace of God into lasciviousness just as GB9 has either intentionally or unintentionally and we should pray his eyes are opened to truth...
Numbers 32.10-13
[SUP]10 [/SUP]So the Lord’s anger burned in that day, and He swore, saying, [SUP]11 [/SUP]‘None of the men who came up from Egypt, from twenty years old and upward, shall see the land which I swore to Abraham, to Isaac and to Jacob; for they did not follow Me fully, [SUP]12 [/SUP]except Caleb the son of Jephunneh the Kenizzite and Joshua the son of Nun, for they have followed the Lord fully.’ [SUP]13 [/SUP]So the Lord’s anger burned against Israel, and He made them wander in the wilderness forty years, until the entire generation of those who had done evil in the sight of the Lord was destroyed.
Hebrews 3.12-16
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Take care, brethren, that there not be in any one of you an evil, unbelieving heart that falls away from the living God. [SUP]13 [/SUP]But encourage one another day after day, as long as it is still called “Today,” so that none of you will be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin. [SUP]14 [/SUP]For we have become partakers of Christ, if we hold fast the beginning of our assurance firm until the end, [SUP]15 [/SUP]while it is said,
“Today if you hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts, as when they provoked Me.”
[SUP]16 [/SUP]For who provoked Him when they had heard? Indeed, did not all those who came out of Egypt led by Moses? [SUP]17 [/SUP]And with whom was He angry for forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose bodies fell in the wilderness? [SUP]18 [/SUP]And to whom did He swear that they would not enter His rest, but to those who were disobedient? [SUP]19 [/SUP]So we see that they were not able to enter because of unbelief.
You sir, need to stop posting fiction....
Dear reader, now watch them try to explain the truth of God 's word all away....and that what God did above and the write of Hebrews says is not really what God did or says....
Dear reader, I urge you to read the story of the deliverance of Moses for yourself and also Hebrews 3 & 4.....and be warned that there are deceivers who have turned the grace of God into lasciviousness just as GB9 has either intentionally or unintentionally and we should pray his eyes are opened to truth...
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No, I'm very certain that the believing I had to do to be saved was not a work that came from my flesh in order to receive a wage or reward of salvation (I'm amazed that there are those in the church that think 'believing' is among the works that count as earning one's salvation--utterly amazed). The very same exact believing I started continues to this day, therefore, Paul says I am presently saved:
"1Now I make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received, in which also you stand, 2by which also you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain." (1 Corinthians 15:1-2 NASB)
If I stop believing, the above can in no way be true anymore--it says I am presently saved IF I am presently holding fast to the word of the gospel. Now if you want to argue that true believers can never stop believing that's fine with me. Because where the rubber hits the road and you yourself ever struggle with doubts and the temptation to depart the faith and begin to question whether or not you can stop believing it will be an entirely personal matter, one that you alone have to sort out. If you rely on the Lord to keep believing you'll be fine. If you find a return to the world to be more enticing and you truly do stop believing, you will certainly not have the eternal life you had while you believed. You will lose it. You will be lost and God will offer no chance for you to come back. He doesn't allow that.
"1Now I make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received, in which also you stand, 2by which also you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain." (1 Corinthians 15:1-2 NASB)
If I stop believing, the above can in no way be true anymore--it says I am presently saved IF I am presently holding fast to the word of the gospel. Now if you want to argue that true believers can never stop believing that's fine with me. Because where the rubber hits the road and you yourself ever struggle with doubts and the temptation to depart the faith and begin to question whether or not you can stop believing it will be an entirely personal matter, one that you alone have to sort out. If you rely on the Lord to keep believing you'll be fine. If you find a return to the world to be more enticing and you truly do stop believing, you will certainly not have the eternal life you had while you believed. You will lose it. You will be lost and God will offer no chance for you to come back. He doesn't allow that.
Well, you have an obvious problem here with this interpretation.
The case can be made that Moses had a lapse of unbelief, and CERTAINLY, disobedience! So much so, that HE was not allowed to enter into the PHYSICAL Promise Land of Rest.
You are not suggesting Moses is lost are you? It could be that they and others, are the dry bones spoken about in Ezekiel.
Then again, it is also possible that you are right and they are lost. But I think we need to be consistent, and I don't see Moses as lost.
The case can be made that Moses had a lapse of unbelief, and CERTAINLY, disobedience! So much so, that HE was not allowed to enter into the PHYSICAL Promise Land of Rest.
You are not suggesting Moses is lost are you? It could be that they and others, are the dry bones spoken about in Ezekiel.
Then again, it is also possible that you are right and they are lost. But I think we need to be consistent, and I don't see Moses as lost.