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No that idea has no foundation. I will be honest between Matthew 24:29-31 and I Thessalonians 4:13-5:11 they sound like the same event yet at different times. Which when you through in Luke 17:24-30 and Matthew 24:36-44 which are both about the coming of the Son of Man in the clouds of heaven. One was rescued from the judgement of the Lord and the other was preserved through the judgement of the Lord. The Thessalonians event does not sound the same because one comes after "the tribulation of those days" Matthew 24:30-31 "Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.31 And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."
The Thessalonians event the world is saying peace and security, then destruction comes in 5:3. But in 4:17 it say we will meet the Lord in the air before that happens. One says the angels are sent out to gather the elect with a loud trumpet sound and the other says "For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.17 Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord."
These sound like two different events, one The Lord is coming in the clounds with power and glory and the angels will gather the elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other and the other the Lord desends and those elect on earth died and alive will be caught up into the clouds to meet the Lord in the air with the voice of an arch angel and the trumpet of God.
They sound like two different events, yet they soind the same. So all I know is the one day we will be like Him which is out blessed hope. Which no matter how yu slice it, it is a prophecy that we are waiting for and Paul says encourage each other with it and John says that "everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as He is pure." What hope? "we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is."
We purify ourselves with the hope of the prophecy that we will be like Him when He comes. So to say that prophecy is no more is going against what John and Paul are saying. Lets not start looking for everything that is prophecy, I was taught to look for the fulfillment for any prophecy before going off looking for future events. Think about how Jews view Isaiah 53 a prophecy of the suffering Messiah, by allegorizing it, have made it about them. We as Children of God need to make sure we do not do the same when it come to things concerning is coming and moving into the eternal state. There is lots of stuff I was taught that I do not believe, the rapture not sure and it's not a salvation issue so it for me relly doesn't matter. We will be gathered to the Lord, when? For me it does not matter, it is the blessed hope and we need to encourage one another with it.
The millennium, the beast, his mark, the anti-christ and all the rest is not that important and if it takes our focus away from the study of Christ, The Holy Spirit and the Father and the wonderful plan of salvation they have given us, then we need to rethink our theoology. Believe me I used to be big into all of that, I have my beliefs on most of it, but I have found more pleasure in the study of the sovereignty of God and the Doctrines of Grace. Even in the study of these I need to keep the focus on the Lord adnd not on the doctrines themslves.
Here's something that I've noticed in the view points of the writers of the Gospels Luke deal with the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple 21:7 So they asked Him, saying, “Teacher, but when will these things be? And what sign will there be when these things are about to take place?” What things and when what things are about to take place? 21:5-6 Then, as some spoke of the temple, how it was adorned with beautiful stones and donations, He said, 6 “These things which you see—the days will come in which not one stone shall be left upon another that shall not be thrown down.” Luke gives more detail to the destruction of Jerusalem and how it will be under Gentile control until the time of the Gentiles is fulfilled. It is still under Gentile control. The two questions are directed towards the Temple and what would happen before the Temple was destroyed, which is the surrounding of Jerusalem.
Look at how Matthew comes at it, 24:3-4 Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?”
The first question is the same as what Luke deals with but not as much detail to the Temple as Luke focused on. But Matthew's second question is about the sign of His coming and the end of the age, Luke gives more detail on the Temple and Matthew give detail to the Temple reaching back to Daniel. Luke gives a small look at the coming of the Son of Man with Matthew giving lots more detail to the sign of His coming and His return. Luke also adds some more information in 17:22-37
The Thessalonians event the world is saying peace and security, then destruction comes in 5:3. But in 4:17 it say we will meet the Lord in the air before that happens. One says the angels are sent out to gather the elect with a loud trumpet sound and the other says "For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.17 Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord."
These sound like two different events, one The Lord is coming in the clounds with power and glory and the angels will gather the elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other and the other the Lord desends and those elect on earth died and alive will be caught up into the clouds to meet the Lord in the air with the voice of an arch angel and the trumpet of God.
They sound like two different events, yet they soind the same. So all I know is the one day we will be like Him which is out blessed hope. Which no matter how yu slice it, it is a prophecy that we are waiting for and Paul says encourage each other with it and John says that "everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as He is pure." What hope? "we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is."
We purify ourselves with the hope of the prophecy that we will be like Him when He comes. So to say that prophecy is no more is going against what John and Paul are saying. Lets not start looking for everything that is prophecy, I was taught to look for the fulfillment for any prophecy before going off looking for future events. Think about how Jews view Isaiah 53 a prophecy of the suffering Messiah, by allegorizing it, have made it about them. We as Children of God need to make sure we do not do the same when it come to things concerning is coming and moving into the eternal state. There is lots of stuff I was taught that I do not believe, the rapture not sure and it's not a salvation issue so it for me relly doesn't matter. We will be gathered to the Lord, when? For me it does not matter, it is the blessed hope and we need to encourage one another with it.
The millennium, the beast, his mark, the anti-christ and all the rest is not that important and if it takes our focus away from the study of Christ, The Holy Spirit and the Father and the wonderful plan of salvation they have given us, then we need to rethink our theoology. Believe me I used to be big into all of that, I have my beliefs on most of it, but I have found more pleasure in the study of the sovereignty of God and the Doctrines of Grace. Even in the study of these I need to keep the focus on the Lord adnd not on the doctrines themslves.
Here's something that I've noticed in the view points of the writers of the Gospels Luke deal with the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple 21:7 So they asked Him, saying, “Teacher, but when will these things be? And what sign will there be when these things are about to take place?” What things and when what things are about to take place? 21:5-6 Then, as some spoke of the temple, how it was adorned with beautiful stones and donations, He said, 6 “These things which you see—the days will come in which not one stone shall be left upon another that shall not be thrown down.” Luke gives more detail to the destruction of Jerusalem and how it will be under Gentile control until the time of the Gentiles is fulfilled. It is still under Gentile control. The two questions are directed towards the Temple and what would happen before the Temple was destroyed, which is the surrounding of Jerusalem.
Look at how Matthew comes at it, 24:3-4 Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?”
The first question is the same as what Luke deals with but not as much detail to the Temple as Luke focused on. But Matthew's second question is about the sign of His coming and the end of the age, Luke gives more detail on the Temple and Matthew give detail to the Temple reaching back to Daniel. Luke gives a small look at the coming of the Son of Man with Matthew giving lots more detail to the sign of His coming and His return. Luke also adds some more information in 17:22-37
Willie-T referred to OP as "you". No character assassination in that (imho).
Also, referring to the members of CC as "lay amateurs" is not considered "character assassination" (again, imho —— others may take offense at that remark).
On the other hand, the "forum" may decide that painting it as "scattterbrained" is pushing the boundary.
However, OP should have no problem with that particular post (again imho).
