How does Faith ESTABLISH the law? Rom.3:31
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The Jews were misusing the law. They thought it made them righteous and pleasing to God. Paul wrote to correct this:
No one is righteous. All have sinned and fall short – even the law-loving Jews. The law doesn’t make you righteous; it makes you conscious of sin so that you may be justified freely by grace. (my paraphrase of Romans 3)
Live by the law and you dishonor both it and Jesus. According to Romans 7, living by the law is spiritual adultery. It’s cheating on the One who died to set you free from the law’s heavy demands .
The law points to Jesus. If you are relying on Christ and his perfect work, then you uphold the law and honor the reason for which it was given.
Here's part of the 1st OP of this thread. I keep being pulled back to remind and remind again of what the law is and what our calling is. It has nothing to do with the law. Our goal NOW is to honor Christ by having faith in HIM and NOT NOT NOT the law. Man wants to "do" something. We are living in a world and reality that needs to DO to GET. But IN Christ., all that changes and we have to have a flip over in our minds by the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit will show us how to apply the law in proper context.
No one is righteous. All have sinned and fall short – even the law-loving Jews. The law doesn’t make you righteous; it makes you conscious of sin so that you may be justified freely by grace. (my paraphrase of Romans 3)
Live by the law and you dishonor both it and Jesus. According to Romans 7, living by the law is spiritual adultery. It’s cheating on the One who died to set you free from the law’s heavy demands .
The law points to Jesus. If you are relying on Christ and his perfect work, then you uphold the law and honor the reason for which it was given.
Here's part of the 1st OP of this thread. I keep being pulled back to remind and remind again of what the law is and what our calling is. It has nothing to do with the law. Our goal NOW is to honor Christ by having faith in HIM and NOT NOT NOT the law. Man wants to "do" something. We are living in a world and reality that needs to DO to GET. But IN Christ., all that changes and we have to have a flip over in our minds by the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit will show us how to apply the law in proper context.
It is important to believe all of God's Word because that is where life to the believer comes from (Matt 4:4). Salvation is from sin and not in sin. If your faith leads to a life of known unrepentant sin you have not been born again and do not know Jesus and do not have the faith of the Word of God (James 2:20).
The Gospel is not Jesus calling the righteous but sinners to repentance (Matt 9:13). Whosoever commits sin is a servant of sin and if the son shall make you free you shall be free indeed because (John 8:34-36) and is the reason Jesus says, Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. (John 3:7) because whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. (1John 3:9). Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God (Luke 8:11).
It is only by faith in God's Word that we have salvation from sin and Jesus says; If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free from sin (John 8:31-36). For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God (Eph 2:8). Only sinners that need a Savior have salvation because the sinner knows he cannot save himself (Matt 9:13; John 15:5). We are not saved by God's Law (Romans 3:20). God's Law gives us a knowledge of sin and brings us to Jesus so we can be saved (1John 3:4; Rom 3:30; Rom 7:7; Gal 3:24).
There is no Gospel without God's Law because there is no knowledge of sin. If there is no knowledge of sin there is no need of a Savior. If there is no need of a Savior there is no salvation. If there is no salvation you are lost and without hope and the scripture is fulfilled For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law (Romans 2:12). Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law (Romans 3:31).
Now its time for an intermission and the reason why we love him..
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We love him because he first loved us (1John 4:19). Love is the fulfilling of God's Law in us who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit (Romans 13:9-10; Roman 8:4).. Jesus says if you love me keep my commandments... (John 14:15) If you are not you are not following God and do not have the love of God in you (1John 2:3-4; 1John 3:6-10) All I can say is that I love Jesus and wish you all only love, joy and peace in the Holy Ghost who God gives to those that obey him through faith (Acts 5:32)
In Christ Always!
The Gospel is not Jesus calling the righteous but sinners to repentance (Matt 9:13). Whosoever commits sin is a servant of sin and if the son shall make you free you shall be free indeed because (John 8:34-36) and is the reason Jesus says, Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. (John 3:7) because whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. (1John 3:9). Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God (Luke 8:11).
It is only by faith in God's Word that we have salvation from sin and Jesus says; If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free from sin (John 8:31-36). For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God (Eph 2:8). Only sinners that need a Savior have salvation because the sinner knows he cannot save himself (Matt 9:13; John 15:5). We are not saved by God's Law (Romans 3:20). God's Law gives us a knowledge of sin and brings us to Jesus so we can be saved (1John 3:4; Rom 3:30; Rom 7:7; Gal 3:24).
There is no Gospel without God's Law because there is no knowledge of sin. If there is no knowledge of sin there is no need of a Savior. If there is no need of a Savior there is no salvation. If there is no salvation you are lost and without hope and the scripture is fulfilled For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law (Romans 2:12). Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law (Romans 3:31).
Now its time for an intermission and the reason why we love him..
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We love him because he first loved us (1John 4:19). Love is the fulfilling of God's Law in us who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit (Romans 13:9-10; Roman 8:4).. Jesus says if you love me keep my commandments... (John 14:15) If you are not you are not following God and do not have the love of God in you (1John 2:3-4; 1John 3:6-10) All I can say is that I love Jesus and wish you all only love, joy and peace in the Holy Ghost who God gives to those that obey him through faith (Acts 5:32)
In Christ Always!
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Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
People have to understand when Paul is speaking according to being fleshy,and when they are spiritual by the Spirit.
The Bible says no flesh shall be justified by the law,for the flesh cannot live up to it perfectly.
But by the Spirit we can live up to the law.
Everybody has to live up to the law,and establish it,which Paul said,the law is spiritual,and holy,and just,and good,and that is what we have to abide by in the New Testament,for it is spiritual by the Spirit,the moral laws,laws of love.
Faith alone,not saved by works,when we are fleshy confessing Christ,because we have not received the Spirit yet,and that is all we can do.
Faith without works is dead,and a person is justified by works,and not faith alone,when we receive the Spirit,for now we are spiritual.
People have to understand when Paul is speaking according to being fleshy,before the Spirit,or after receiving the Spirit.
When we have not received the Spirit yet we can only have faith,our works mean nothing,we cannot live up to the law.
But after we receive the Spirit we are now spiritual so the situation is different,and actions count instead of only believing,which the Bible says awake to righteousness,and sin not,but not all have the knowledge of God,and Paul speaks that to their shame.
We have to live up to the law when we receive the Spirit,which millions of people that claim Christ do not.
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
People have to understand when Paul is speaking according to being fleshy,and when they are spiritual by the Spirit.
The Bible says no flesh shall be justified by the law,for the flesh cannot live up to it perfectly.
But by the Spirit we can live up to the law.
Everybody has to live up to the law,and establish it,which Paul said,the law is spiritual,and holy,and just,and good,and that is what we have to abide by in the New Testament,for it is spiritual by the Spirit,the moral laws,laws of love.
Faith alone,not saved by works,when we are fleshy confessing Christ,because we have not received the Spirit yet,and that is all we can do.
Faith without works is dead,and a person is justified by works,and not faith alone,when we receive the Spirit,for now we are spiritual.
People have to understand when Paul is speaking according to being fleshy,before the Spirit,or after receiving the Spirit.
When we have not received the Spirit yet we can only have faith,our works mean nothing,we cannot live up to the law.
But after we receive the Spirit we are now spiritual so the situation is different,and actions count instead of only believing,which the Bible says awake to righteousness,and sin not,but not all have the knowledge of God,and Paul speaks that to their shame.
We have to live up to the law when we receive the Spirit,which millions of people that claim Christ do not.
We are not saved by grace through faith in Christ so we can complete the law in our lives. No. The goal is not to make a reality of law. The law was given to show us how we can not be complete without JESUS. Only Jesus can fulfill the perfect standards of behavior. We are to have complete faith in His ability and His REPUTATION to go on before us.
As we see Jesus by the Holy Spirit showing Him to us through the Word.,., He becomes magnified in our minds and we see Him more clearly. He is so perfect and lovely that we are spurred on to follow Him and learn of Him (For I am meek and lowly in heart) Matt.11:29
[SUP]29 [/SUP]Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. [SUP]30 [/SUP]For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
.... in doing THAT we become more like Him., we find rest for our souls by our association. The fact that we end up being well behaved is only a by product of our association and relationship with Jesus and the teaching and leading of the Holy Spirit. (Note.. this does not happen by our association to the law.)
And because of our association with Jesus we end up actually going FAR BEYOND the keeping of the law and do as Jesus said from the heart and it being transformed by the renewing of our minds. The law says do not commit adultery but I say to you.. if you look upon a woman to lust after her you have already committed adultery in your heart and so your guilty.
It's a matter of the heart/mind transformation and that takes the power of the Holy Spirit working in the minds and hearts of the believer. It's NOT a hunker down and do the 10 commandments sort of thing. It's not becoming a better law keeper... It's seeking the presence of Jesus each day and the power of the Holy Spirit to teach us how to live out Gal.2:20-21
[SUP]20 [/SUP]I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I that live, but Christ liveth in me: and that life which I now live in the flesh I live in faith, the faith which is in the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself up for me. [SUP]21 [/SUP]I do not make void the grace of God: for if righteousness is through the law, then Christ died for nought.
Also., We end up bearing what the Bible calls "fruits of the Spirit" The Bible has nothing to say about bearing fruits of the flesh.
As we see Jesus by the Holy Spirit showing Him to us through the Word.,., He becomes magnified in our minds and we see Him more clearly. He is so perfect and lovely that we are spurred on to follow Him and learn of Him (For I am meek and lowly in heart) Matt.11:29
[SUP]29 [/SUP]Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. [SUP]30 [/SUP]For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
.... in doing THAT we become more like Him., we find rest for our souls by our association. The fact that we end up being well behaved is only a by product of our association and relationship with Jesus and the teaching and leading of the Holy Spirit. (Note.. this does not happen by our association to the law.)
And because of our association with Jesus we end up actually going FAR BEYOND the keeping of the law and do as Jesus said from the heart and it being transformed by the renewing of our minds. The law says do not commit adultery but I say to you.. if you look upon a woman to lust after her you have already committed adultery in your heart and so your guilty.
It's a matter of the heart/mind transformation and that takes the power of the Holy Spirit working in the minds and hearts of the believer. It's NOT a hunker down and do the 10 commandments sort of thing. It's not becoming a better law keeper... It's seeking the presence of Jesus each day and the power of the Holy Spirit to teach us how to live out Gal.2:20-21
[SUP]20 [/SUP]I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I that live, but Christ liveth in me: and that life which I now live in the flesh I live in faith, the faith which is in the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself up for me. [SUP]21 [/SUP]I do not make void the grace of God: for if righteousness is through the law, then Christ died for nought.
Also., We end up bearing what the Bible calls "fruits of the Spirit" The Bible has nothing to say about bearing fruits of the flesh.
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It is so that those without the Spirit are spiritually Blind and unless they believe the Truth they are not set free and GOD's Law is a burden and not a delight.
If we love GOD we obey Him and it is only by His Grace through Faith can we be made New to be at liberty.
Believe and see the power of GOD working through you.. it is Amazing Grace indeed.
The Just live by Faith and that Faith brings work of the Spirit. The branch can not boast of its fruit, only of its True vine and the Husbandman who did the Grafting in.
I beg to differ. "For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil." (Genesis 3:5)
Have you ever heard of the Hindu based theology called the "New age movement," its teachings based on deifying oneself, taught by Deepak Chopra?
I would ask all who read this thread to investigate his teachings. Sometimes things are so close that we cannot see them.
This movement teaches that we can be gods within ourselves by our own ability. Eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil was appealing for the same reason. The Mosaic law never comes close to suggesting that we are to pursue equality with God, making judgements for ourselves and denying His directives. That's Satan's device, and a very close comparison to the "New Age" movement of today.
The "New Age" movement suggests that we should determine what is good and bad according to what we reject and like. That's pretty sickening. Doesn't the Almighty God have that authority only? Who are we to determine what is good and evil?
"Every one of them is gone back: they are altogether become filthy; there is none that doeth good, no, not one." (Psalm 53:3)
"As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:" (Romans 3:10)
Have you ever heard of the Hindu based theology called the "New age movement," its teachings based on deifying oneself, taught by Deepak Chopra?
I would ask all who read this thread to investigate his teachings. Sometimes things are so close that we cannot see them.
This movement teaches that we can be gods within ourselves by our own ability. Eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil was appealing for the same reason. The Mosaic law never comes close to suggesting that we are to pursue equality with God, making judgements for ourselves and denying His directives. That's Satan's device, and a very close comparison to the "New Age" movement of today.
The "New Age" movement suggests that we should determine what is good and bad according to what we reject and like. That's pretty sickening. Doesn't the Almighty God have that authority only? Who are we to determine what is good and evil?
"Every one of them is gone back: they are altogether become filthy; there is none that doeth good, no, not one." (Psalm 53:3)
"As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:" (Romans 3:10)
Good question for thought.
Here's another couple questions for our thought process.
How can faith in God establish a tree that is forbidden by God if the law is the tree of the knowledge of good and evil?
What kind of faith would give us the capability to follow His will by denying what He wants established?
Here's another couple questions for our thought process.
How can faith in God establish a tree that is forbidden by God if the law is the tree of the knowledge of good and evil?
What kind of faith would give us the capability to follow His will by denying what He wants established?
I take this as the epitome of faith. King David speaking...
"Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.But his delight is in the law of the Lord; and in his law doth he meditate day and night." (Psalm 1:1-2)
It's amazing that this is the very first 2 verses in the entire book of the Psalms.
"Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.But his delight is in the law of the Lord; and in his law doth he meditate day and night." (Psalm 1:1-2)
It's amazing that this is the very first 2 verses in the entire book of the Psalms.
The law is NOT of faith.
In order to really "live unto God" in the New Covenant - we need to know that we are dead to the law of Moses. The law was made for the unrighteous - not the righteous that are in Christ.
The law is not done away with as it is a manifestation of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Romans 2 talks about it being in the hearts of fallen man and then given to the Jews in an expounded way.
Galatians 2:19 (NASB)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] "For through the Law I died to the Law, so that I might live to God.
1 Timothy 1:9 (KJV)
[SUP]9[/SUP] Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
Galatians 3:11-12 (NASB)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Now that no one is justified by the Law before God is evident; for, "THE RIGHTEOUS MAN SHALL LIVE BY FAITH."
[SUP]12 [/SUP] However, the Law is not of faith; on the contrary, "HE WHO PRACTICES THEM SHALL LIVE BY THEM."
In order to really "live unto God" in the New Covenant - we need to know that we are dead to the law of Moses. The law was made for the unrighteous - not the righteous that are in Christ.
The law is not done away with as it is a manifestation of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Romans 2 talks about it being in the hearts of fallen man and then given to the Jews in an expounded way.
Galatians 2:19 (NASB)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] "For through the Law I died to the Law, so that I might live to God.
1 Timothy 1:9 (KJV)
[SUP]9[/SUP] Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
Galatians 3:11-12 (NASB)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Now that no one is justified by the Law before God is evident; for, "THE RIGHTEOUS MAN SHALL LIVE BY FAITH."
[SUP]12 [/SUP] However, the Law is not of faith; on the contrary, "HE WHO PRACTICES THEM SHALL LIVE BY THEM."
Grace, you are correct in parts but you are using verses to paint your own picture.
If you consider the law of Moses and the 10 Commandments written in stone as the Old Covenant
and the Law of Faith and the 10 Commandments written on our hearts and in our mind is the New Covenant.
We live by the spirit not the letter of the law.. Christ takes away the veil and goes in to the Holiest of holies becoming High Priest.
Now if you read the and believe the New Testament you are under Grace at liberty and will be judged according to the Royal Law.
I share this Truth as given freely to me for The Glory of GOD and Salvation of men.
The commandment in the New Covenant ( the Old Covenant is a goner now ) is to "believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and to love one another." 1 John 3:23
From Him all things will be manifested as His life is bearing His fruit in and through us.
We don't live "by the keeping of" carnal commandments in the New Covenant - we live by the law of the spirit of life in Christ now. The law of love, the law of liberty, the law of faith ( the Law is not of faith ) - the law of Christ Himself.
We love because He has first loved us. It's descriptive of His life being in us - not in the following of a carnal commandment to obey.
John 15:12 (NASB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] "This is My commandment, that you love one another, just as I have loved you.
Jesus is not commanding us to "manifest" love. The original commandment in John 15 is to "abide in Him".
Believing in what He has done and His love for us will release the love of God that is in us and that believing in Christ and "abiding/remaining/staying" in His love and grace towards us will cause love and His life to manifest in and through us to a hurt and dying world that needs to see the love and grace of our loving Father and Lord toward them.
Jesus' commandments are His enablements and are really descriptive of His life being manifested in us.
This right believing in Christ's love and work for us releases His life in us and fulfills all the intent of the Law which has the 10 commandments in it. We don't live by the 10 commandments in the New Covenant - we live by His life.
We can see Christ's life in the 10 commandments as He is the fulfillment and real substance of them as all scripture is profitable for us.
The10 commandments in the Old Covenant which is now a goner "for the Christian" and obsolete because the true substance has come - Jesus Himself - as being all promises fulfilled in Christ and His life in us.
This is hugely different then following a carnal commandment as it is laid out in the Old Covenant.
From Him all things will be manifested as His life is bearing His fruit in and through us.
We don't live "by the keeping of" carnal commandments in the New Covenant - we live by the law of the spirit of life in Christ now. The law of love, the law of liberty, the law of faith ( the Law is not of faith ) - the law of Christ Himself.
We love because He has first loved us. It's descriptive of His life being in us - not in the following of a carnal commandment to obey.
John 15:12 (NASB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] "This is My commandment, that you love one another, just as I have loved you.
Jesus is not commanding us to "manifest" love. The original commandment in John 15 is to "abide in Him".
Believing in what He has done and His love for us will release the love of God that is in us and that believing in Christ and "abiding/remaining/staying" in His love and grace towards us will cause love and His life to manifest in and through us to a hurt and dying world that needs to see the love and grace of our loving Father and Lord toward them.
Jesus' commandments are His enablements and are really descriptive of His life being manifested in us.
This right believing in Christ's love and work for us releases His life in us and fulfills all the intent of the Law which has the 10 commandments in it. We don't live by the 10 commandments in the New Covenant - we live by His life.
We can see Christ's life in the 10 commandments as He is the fulfillment and real substance of them as all scripture is profitable for us.
The10 commandments in the Old Covenant which is now a goner "for the Christian" and obsolete because the true substance has come - Jesus Himself - as being all promises fulfilled in Christ and His life in us.
This is hugely different then following a carnal commandment as it is laid out in the Old Covenant.
I cannot disagree with that. Then we can take these verses into account.
"But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;" (Romans 3:21)
"If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:" (James 2:8)
"But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;" (Romans 3:21)
"If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:" (James 2:8)
God didn't send Jesus so that He could put the 10 commandments in us. He came to give us Jesus Himself so only He has fulfilled the intent of the law - including the 10 commandments.
Jesus said that the law and prophets and the psalms "speak" of Him.
If Paul is telling us the truth when he says the Christian is not under the Law but under grace now, has died to the Law, is released from the Law.
( Which I do believe Paul is telling us the truth ).
- Then how is our relationship to be to the law in regards to the "good" that is in the ten commandments from the Old Covenant?
Live "from" the 10 promises instead of "by" the 10 commandments because we are now in Christ in the New Covenant.
It's in the knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ and the grace of God which manifests His life in and through us that we live by now.
Here is how the 10 commandments intent is fulfilled in Christ and thus in us too.
1) When you know Me ( Jesus ) and I live in you, you will have no need for other gods because you have a loving Father who loves you deeply and unconditionally.
2) When you know Me ( Jesus ) ,and I live in you the idols in life will fade like mist in the sun.
3) When you know Me ( Jesus ) and I live in you, you will never stop speaking My name to establish freedom - My name is Jesus.
4) When you know Me ( Jesus ) and I live in you, you will cease from your own works and rely totally on what I have already done for you and find true Sabbath rest in Me.
5) When you know Me ( Jesus ) and I live in you, you will be honored as fathers and mothers to nations.
6) When you know Me ( Jesus ) and I live in you, you will restore life.
7) When you know Me ( Jesus ) and I live in you, you will experience deep authentic relationships which you will treasure.
8) When you know Me ( Jesus ) ,and I live in you, you will be established in abundance and generosity.
9) When you know Me ( Jesus ) ,and I live in you, you will be My witness.
10) When you know Me ( Jesus ) and I live in you, your love which is My love flowing in and through you for your neighbor will bring restoration to this world.
The 10 commandments are now 10 promises fulfilled in us through relationship with our loving Father because we are in Christ and the fruit of His life being manifested in and through us.
Jesus said that the law and prophets and the psalms "speak" of Him.
If Paul is telling us the truth when he says the Christian is not under the Law but under grace now, has died to the Law, is released from the Law.
( Which I do believe Paul is telling us the truth ).
- Then how is our relationship to be to the law in regards to the "good" that is in the ten commandments from the Old Covenant?
Live "from" the 10 promises instead of "by" the 10 commandments because we are now in Christ in the New Covenant.
It's in the knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ and the grace of God which manifests His life in and through us that we live by now.
Here is how the 10 commandments intent is fulfilled in Christ and thus in us too.
1) When you know Me ( Jesus ) and I live in you, you will have no need for other gods because you have a loving Father who loves you deeply and unconditionally.
2) When you know Me ( Jesus ) ,and I live in you the idols in life will fade like mist in the sun.
3) When you know Me ( Jesus ) and I live in you, you will never stop speaking My name to establish freedom - My name is Jesus.
4) When you know Me ( Jesus ) and I live in you, you will cease from your own works and rely totally on what I have already done for you and find true Sabbath rest in Me.
5) When you know Me ( Jesus ) and I live in you, you will be honored as fathers and mothers to nations.
6) When you know Me ( Jesus ) and I live in you, you will restore life.
7) When you know Me ( Jesus ) and I live in you, you will experience deep authentic relationships which you will treasure.
8) When you know Me ( Jesus ) ,and I live in you, you will be established in abundance and generosity.
9) When you know Me ( Jesus ) ,and I live in you, you will be My witness.
10) When you know Me ( Jesus ) and I live in you, your love which is My love flowing in and through you for your neighbor will bring restoration to this world.
The 10 commandments are now 10 promises fulfilled in us through relationship with our loving Father because we are in Christ and the fruit of His life being manifested in and through us.
Christ Himself is the law or principle that we live by now in the New Covenant. I encourage all people to not replace Him for the "keeping of the law of Moses". That's called a "religion".
The true Christian has died to the law, been released from the law and not under the law of Moses. Christ Himself has replaced the law of Moses and has fulfilled all the intent of the law of Moses.
We are to eat from Him and not from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. God alone can eat from that tree. We in the New Covenant live by Christ's life alone.
Colossians 3:3 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For you have died and your life is hidden with Christ in God.
The true Christian has died to the law, been released from the law and not under the law of Moses. Christ Himself has replaced the law of Moses and has fulfilled all the intent of the law of Moses.
We are to eat from Him and not from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. God alone can eat from that tree. We in the New Covenant live by Christ's life alone.
Colossians 3:3 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For you have died and your life is hidden with Christ in God.
If Paul were still alive today and knew you, I think he would like to see you saved ("gain" you) according to his ministry.
"To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might "gain" them that are without law." (1 Corinthians 9:21)
It appears that you are "without" law, teaching that principle to others. Isn't that being "lawless?"
Then again, you might be worshipping God as Paul did according to his words written in
Acts 24:14..."But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:"
But.. who am I to judge? I'm just reading what you write without making any determination.
"Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven." "For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me. But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words? (Matthew 5:19a and John 5:46-47)
These are the words of our Saviour.
"To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might "gain" them that are without law." (1 Corinthians 9:21)
It appears that you are "without" law, teaching that principle to others. Isn't that being "lawless?"
Then again, you might be worshipping God as Paul did according to his words written in
Acts 24:14..."But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:"
But.. who am I to judge? I'm just reading what you write without making any determination.
"Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven." "For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me. But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words? (Matthew 5:19a and John 5:46-47)
These are the words of our Saviour.
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