Have you been deceived by Satan through your church?

[LoveGodForever]

Hi Friends,

It is important to believe all of God's Word because that is where life to the believer comes from (Matt 4:4). Salvation is from sin and not in sin. If your faith leads to a life of known unrepentant sin you have not been born again and do not know Jesus and do not have the faith of the Word of God (James 2:20).

The Gospel is not Jesus calling the righteous but sinners to repentance (Matt 9:13). Whosoever commits sin is a servant of sin and if the son shall make you free you shall be free indeed because (John 8:34-36) and is the reason Jesus says, Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. (John 3:7) because whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. (1John 3:9). Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God (Luke 8:11).

It is only by faith in God's Word that we have salvation from sin and Jesus says; If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free from sin (John 8:31-36). For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God (Eph 2:8). Only sinners that need a Savior have salvation because the sinner knows he cannot save himself (Matt 9:13; John 15:5). We are not saved by God's Law (Romans 3:20). God's Law gives us a knowledge of sin and brings us to Jesus so we can be saved (1John 3:4; Rom 3:30; Rom 7:7; Gal 3:24).

There is no Gospel without God's Law because there is no knowledge of sin. If there is no knowledge of sin there is no need of a Savior. If there is no need of a Savior there is no salvation. If there is no salvation you are lost and without hope and the scripture is fulfilled For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law (Romans 2:12). Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law (Romans 3:31).

Now its time for an intermission and the reason why we love him..

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We love him because he first loved us (1John 4:19). Love is the fulfilling of God's Law in us who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit (Romans 13:9-10; Roman 8:4).. Jesus says if you love me keep my commandments... (John 14:15) If you are not you are not following God and do not have the love of God in you (1John 2:3-4; 1John 3:6-10) All I can say is that I love Jesus and wish you all only love, joy and peace in the Holy Ghost who God gives to those that obey him through faith (Acts 5:32)

In Christ Always!

 

[preacher4truth]

Problem is ... there are many NT verses which warn of LOSING eternal life.
Some of them are in the OP ... did you actually read through it?

There are no such Scriptures, sir. Yes, I read the OP.

FYI, many who think they know everything don't bother to.

I wouldn't know that.

 

[Veteran]

So you can quote your source (W. E. Vine) and hold to his definition of the word, but when someone shows you another definition (which you disagree with), that person is putting all his/her "eggs in the baskets of the doctrines of men!"

I was trying to show that the so-called Greek scholars have differing opinions,
and thus none can be trusted.
I was giving Vine's interesting take on the "knew" in Matt 7:21.
I am no longer in favor of Vine at all ... IMO, he's biased because he is OSAS.
So much for all of these "I"s.
On one of the pages prior to page 1 of my old Thayer's Greek lexicon it says he is not a believer.

 

[Veteran]

To keep the dollars rolling in they MUST coddle the flesh and make them feel comfortable and saved while still in their sin........

Yes, this obviously is what the western church is all about these days!
Almost all are the church of Laodicea (Rev 2-3).

 

[reneweddaybyday]

I was trying to show that the so-called Greek scholars have differing opinions,
and thus none can be trusted.
I was giving Vine's interesting take on the "knew" in Matt 7:21.
I am no longer in favor of Vine at all ... IMO, he's biased because he is OSAS.

You are twisting in the wind, Veteran.

In your OP, you use W. E. Vine's interpretation to explain Matt 7:23 when you stated "... I will declare to them, 'I never knew you (approved of you); ..."

You then quoted Vine in Post #14 in response to Grace777x70 (Post #12).

Then when I posted Thayer in Post #31, you responded by saying that Thayer was not a believer (which is nothing but character assassination used to distract). You never have replied in any meaningful manner to me or Grace777x70 (or Angela53510 (Post #56) for that matter).

So much for all of these "I"s.
On one of the pages prior to page 1 of my old Thayer's Greek lexicon it says he is not a believer.

In your post #49, you infer that Thayer "was not a believer ... just a so-called expert in Greek)" with no authority for your statement other than some reference in your old Thayer's Greek lexicon.

In your old Thayer’s Greek lexicon, was the statement actually part of the publication? Or was it a handwritten statement made by you (or someone else)?


I find it interesting that your OP uses Vine's interpretation and you countered Grace777x70 with Vine (in Post #14). You now claim you are not in favor of Vine.

You appear (to me) to be one confused fellow.

 

[MarcR]

As I see it, Jesus was not addressing those warnings to the Church. Before Pentecost, there was no church.
Those warnings, like the Law, were intended to show the futility of trying to please God by their own efforts.
My relationship with God is dependent only on what Jesus has done, NOT ON WHAT I DO! Any good thing I do after I am saved is done in the power of the Holy Spirit within me; and I take no credit for it.

 

[dcontroversal]

As I see it, Jesus was not addressing those warnings to the Church. Before Pentecost, there was no church.
Those warnings, like the Law, were intended to show the futility of trying to please God by their own efforts.
My relationship with God is dependent only on what Jesus has done, NOT ON WHAT I DO! Any good thing I do after I am saved is done in the power of the Holy Spirit within me; and I take no credit for it.

Good to see you again bro......?? Was not the church spoken of in the present tense at least twice before the 50th day?

Matthew 18:17 "If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector.

 

[TruthTalk]

Yes, this obviously is what the western church is all about these days!
Almost all are the church of Laodicea (Rev 2-3).

Evidence please.....

 

[preacher4truth]

IMO, he's biased because he is OSAS.

Let's apply your standard to yourself; You're biased because you don't believe in OSAS (which is a biblically sound doctrine).

See how that works?

 

[reneweddaybyday]

As I see it, Jesus was not addressing those warnings to the Church. Before Pentecost, there was no church.
Those warnings, like the Law, were intended to show the futility of trying to please God by their own efforts.
My relationship with God is dependent only on what Jesus has done, NOT ON WHAT I DO! Any good thing I do after I am saved is done in the power of the Holy Spirit within me; and I take no credit for it.

Oh, I don’t know, MarcR. I think there are a lot of people sitting in the church today who think they know Jesus Christ, but really do not know Him. However, sitting in a church does not make a person a believer.

The Word of God we "hear" must be received into the heart where God can bring increase.

Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God

The reason some people "hear" and yet do not come to faith is because they restrain the word from settling in their heart.

 

[preacher4truth]

The reason some people "hear" and yet do not come to faith is because they restrain the word from settling in their heart.

Wow, so they're in charge of saving themselves? Never knew that.

 

[shrume]

Wow, so they're in charge of saving themselves? Never knew that.

You should know that it's a person's responsibility to choose to believe. Once a person chooses to believe the gospel, he will be saved.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

Wow, so they're in charge of saving themselves? Never knew that.

Have you read Romans 1:18?

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness

The words "who hold" are the Greek word katechō which means to "hold back, restrain". We "suppress, restrain" the Word from reaching our hearts where God gives the increase.

And since it is God Who brings increase to the Word sown in the heart of man, I do not understand how you can come to the conclusion that I stated people are "in charge of saving themselves".

1 Corinthians 3:6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.

 

[preacher4truth]

You should know that it's a person's responsibility to choose to believe. Once a person chooses to believe the gospel, he will be saved.

No I shouldn't know that other than it is man made decisionism. Scripture denies your false belief, salvation isn't via decision, John 1:13.

You should know better than this. Sadly you're hoodwinked like many others.

 

[preacher4truth]

Have you read Romans 1:18?

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness

Now all you are doing is showing you don't understand context and then misuse Scripture.

Goodness sake...

 

[shrume]

I don't expect this discussion to go well... From what I've read of your posts, you're a firm Calvinist, and don't take kindly to people disagreeing with you.

No I shouldn't know that other than it is man made decisionism.

Anyone has the ability to choose to believe the gospel (John 3:16; Rom 10:9; Eph 1:13). God wants all men to be saved (1 Tim 2:4; 2 Pet 3:9). People's faith comes by hearing the gospel (Rom 10:17), which is why we are to teach it. We are ambassadors for Christ (2 Cor 5:20).

Scripture denies your false belief, salvation isn't via decision, John 1:13.

John 1:13 is speaking of the birth of Jesus Christ, not believers. Jesus was born by the will of God. People are born when their parents have sex.

You should know better than this. Sadly you're hoodwinked like many others.

I could say the same about you and Calvinism.

 

[TruthTalk]

No I shouldn't know that other than it is man made decisionism. Scripture denies your false belief, salvation isn't via decision, John 1:13.

You should know better than this. Sadly you're hoodwinked like many others.

Thank you Preacher, I learned a useful word today that will help me better understand my bible and Jesus. Now I need to look up,
"Sandemanianism"

Decisionism

Decisionism: in Christianity is the belief that a person is saved by coming forward, raising the hand, saying a prayer, believing a doctrine, making a lordship commitment, or some other external, human act, which is taken as the equivalent to, and proof of, the miracle of inward conversion. It is believed that a person is saved through the mere means of external decision and that performing one of these human actions also gives sufficient evidence of regeneration. Many who do not use an "invitation" still hold a form of "decisionism" that Dr. Martyn Lloyd-Jones called "Sandemanianism"(Banner of Truth Trust, 1987, "Puritans: Their Origins and Successors").

Attribute: Decisionism | Theopedia

 

[bigjohn]

guess i'll just keep jesus as my savior. repent often and faithfully, and trust in the lord to do the right thing.

 

[TruthTalk]

guess i'll just keep jesus as my savior. repent often and faithfully, and trust in the lord to do the right thing.

Welcome bigjohn, lots of loving people here, I agree with your statements, thank you and God bless

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[maverich]

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Please tell me why NT passages such as these do NOT apply to you?

“… wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to (eternal)
destruction … narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which
leads to (eternal) life, and there are few who find it.” (Matthew 7:13-14)
The truth of the narrow way has not at all been taught in its full reality.
There are many NT verses which prove how narrow the way really is!

“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord’, shall enter the kingdom
of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven …
I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you (approved of you); depart
from Me, you who practice lawlessness (sin)!’ ” (Matthew 7:21-23)
There’s much more to doing God’s will than merely believing in Jesus!
Yes, sin keeps you out of the kingdom … see the NT “sin lists”
(1 Corinthians 6:9-10, Galatians 5:19-21, Ephesians 5:3-6).

“You will be hated by all for My name’s sake. But he who endures
to the end (until his death) will be saved (eternally).” (Matthew 10:22)
There are about 15 NT verses which teach us … the believer must
endure in the faith until death to receive eternal life (and some are below).

“But if you want to enter into (eternal) life, keep the commandments.”
(Matthew 19:17)
“He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me.”
(John 14:21, also John 14:23 & John 15:14)
Does anyone get into heaven who does NOT love Jesus and obey Him?

“If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter
into life maimed rather than having two hands and go to hell” (Mark 9:43)

“For whoever desires to save his (worldly) life will lose it (eternal life)
but whoever loses his (worldly) life for My sake will save it (eternal life)
For what profit is it to a man if he gains the whole world, and is
himself destroyed or lost (eternal death)?” (Luke 9:24-25 and John 12:25)

“And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh” (Galatians 5:24)
“For if you live according to the flesh you will die (eternally)” (Romans 8:13)
“Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows,
that he will also reap. For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh
reap corruption (eternal death)” (Galatians 6:7-8)

“… the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received
... by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which
I preached to you – unless you believed in vain.” (1 Corinthians 15:1-2)

“Then when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin;
and sin, when it is full grown, brings forth (eternal) death.
Do not be deceived, my beloved brethren.” (James 1:15-16)

“But those who desire to be rich fall into temptation and a snare,
and into many foolish and harmful lusts which drown men in
destruction and perdition (eternal death) … Command those who
are rich … that they may lay hold on to eternal life.” (1 Timothy 6:9-19)

“ ‘My righteous ones will live by faith. But I will take no pleasure
in anyone who turns away.’ But we are not like those who turn
away from God to their own destruction (eternal death). We are
the faithful ones, whose souls will be saved.” (Hebrews 10:38-39)
Paul says some believers turn back to their destruction, but in fact,
he has NO idea who will remain faithful to the end, or who will turn away!

“In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest:
whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God” (1 John 3:10)
“He who practices righteousness is righteous” (1 John 3:7)

“He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God
and he shall be My son. But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable,
murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars
shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone,
which is the second death (eternal death).” (Revelation 21:7-8)
The “cowardly” include believers who fall from the faith when persecuted
for their Christian faith, or later submit to taking the mark of the beast.

“But there shall by no means enter it (the New Jerusalem) anything
that defiles, or causes an abomination or a lie, but only those
who are written in the Lamb’s Book of Life.” (Revelation 21:27)

“He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and
I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life” (Revelation 3:5)

Jesus gives His definition of who the victorious “overcomer” is …
“To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne,
as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.” (Revelation 3:21)
Just what did Jesus overcome? Primarily: the world, sin, and the devil.
We today are the deceived church of Laodicea (Revelation 3:14-22).

“If you refuse to forgive others, your Father won’t forgive your sins.” (Matthew 6:15)
Unforgiveness blocks you from heaven and also blocks you from being healed!

“Fear the Lord and keep His commandments … so that you may be saved.
… So have faith in Him and fear Him and by that fear exercise self-control.
Keep these commandments. If you do, you will put on the strength of
righteousness, and cast all wickedness from you, and live to God.”
(“The Shepherd of Hermas” -- most popular Christian “book” during 100-400 a.d.
Quoted as Scripture by such as Irenaeas, Clement, Origen, Codex Sinaiticus.
The Shepherd calls himself: “the Shepherd and messenger of repentance”.)

“Fear God, who has the power … to throw you into hell” (Luke 12:5)
“… unless you repent you will all likewise perish.” (Luke 13:3 and 13:5)

“… beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh
and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God … your sorrow
(over his first letter to them) led to repentance … For godly sorrow
produces repentance leading to salvation.” (2 Corinthians 7:1-10)
Yes, ALL sins will be forgiven through deep and sincere repentance!

“If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins
and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” (1 John 1:9)
“When the Lord saw that their repentance was good and pure, and that they
were able to remain in it, He ordered their former sins to be blotted out.”
(“The Shepherd of Hermas” – he’s not nearly as tactful as the earlier Epistles)

Has Satan deceived you? ... Has he deceived your church?

Satan hates God, and he hates you! … He and his demons work
tirelessly to succeed in having you spend eternity in hell with them.
“the god of this world” (2 Cor 4:4)
“the ruler of this world” (John 12:31)
“the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world” (Revelation 12:9)
“he is a liar and the father of it (lies)” (John 8:44)
“evil rulers and authorities of the unseen world” (Ephesians 6:12)

Have you been deceived into believing in “once saved, always saved”,
and that your sins (past, present, and future) have all been forgiven?
(Also, have you been deceived into believing in a pre-tribulation rapture?)
Heads-up! The dozens of warnings in the NT are there for a purpose!
For example: “… you are that one’s slaves whom you obey,
whether (slaves) of sin leading to (eternal) death, OR
(slaves) of obedience leading to righteousness … now present
your bodies as slaves of righteousness for holiness.” (Romans 6:16,19)

Born-agains have been given a new nature and the indwelling Holy Spirit
to free them from their bondage to Satan – and from their slavery to sin!

have you been decieved into believing your smart

2000 years ago Jesus died!! how many of your future sins did he die for.
Is Adam and Noah in heaven. Noah was sealed in his Ark. with Adam there has never been mentioned that he was unloved of God
Jonah disobeyed God, and he was led in a strange way to do what God wanted
Hosea was sent to marry a prostitute, and she ran back to her old life. much like many of us. oh but God sent Hosea to not only get her but he had to pay for something that was already his. does that sound familiar

Put the bible down! ask Jesus to come into your heart, stand at the cross, divested of all your preconceived notions. shake off the lies that you tell yourself, and others. stand naked with Jesus and be unashamed.

The very fact that you are writing angrily, is that you want what myself and others have.

Come boldly to the throne of Grace (without deceit) get grace and obtain Mercy


signed

(I AM) SAVED FOR EVERLASTING