How does Faith ESTABLISH the law? Rom.3:31

[Grace777x70]

Here is a great article that speaks about what is written on our hearts now that we are in Christ. I like to use this website as it has at the bottom a place where you can ask questions and sometimes I learn from that area a lot.

The Law Written on Our Hearts is not the Ten Commandments

This is the covenant I will make with them after that time,” says the Lord. “I will put my laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds.” (Heb 10:16)

“This is obviously a reference to the law of Moses,” says the law-preacher. “The Ten Commandments were written in stone, now they’re written in the hearts and minds of God’s people.”

Not true. Here are seventeen reasons why God has not written the Ten Commandments on your heart:

1. The law inflames sin (Rom 5:20) and the strength of sin is the law (1 Cor 15:56). Why would God want to stir up sin in your life?


2. The law condemns (2 Cor 3:9), yet there is no condemnation to those in Christ.


3. The law ministers death (2 Cor 3:7), but God wants you to enjoy abundant life.


4. Law and grace don’t mix. You are under grace, not law (Rom 6:14).


5. Living by the law will alienate you from Christ (Gal 5:4).


6. Living by the law is cheating on Jesus (Rom 7:1-6). Why would God do anything to encourage spiritual adultery?


7. We’re to live by faith but the law is not of faith (Gal 3:12). The law encourages us to depend on ourselves instead of Jesus.


8. Those who live under the law are under a curse (Gal 3:10). Why would God curse those he has blessed?


9. The law binds and enslaves (Rom 7:6), but Jesus wants you free.


10. The law keeps you immature for it makes nothing perfect or complete (Heb 7:19).


11. We have died to the law so that we may serve in the new way of the Spirit and “not in the old way of the written code” (Rom 7:6).


12. When there has been a change of priesthood, the law must be changed also (Heb 7:12). For God to write the old law on our hearts would be like saying Aaron is greater than Jesus.


13. God found fault with the law-keeping covenant and made it obsolete (Heb 8:7,13). Why would God insult his Son’s sacrifice by giving you the very thing his sacrifice rendered obsolete?


14. The law is a shadow of the good things to come and not the reality (Heb 10:1). Why would God give you the shadow instead of “the good thing”?


15. The Jews considered the law to be ordained by angels (Heb 2:2). If so, says the author of Hebrews, then it is inferior to the gospel of Jesus (Heb 1:4). Why would God give you an inferior gift?


16. Some Christians think that God gives them the law as a guide to live by, but why would God want you to repeat the mistake of the Galatians (Gal 3:2)? Why would God do anything to make you fall from grace?


17. The old law-keeping covenant required an accounting or remembering of sin, but the new covenant is characterized by God forgiving and forgetting on account of Jesus (Heb 10:17). If the law that God writes in our hearts is the law of Moses, then Jesus died for nothing.

If God has written the Ten Commandments on your heart and mind, you should be able to list all ten with no trouble. Can you? What’s the seventh commandment? You can’t do it because it’s not there, and a very good thing that is too! If the law that God writes in our hearts is the law of Moses, you’re in big trouble.

The good news is that God has written in us a far better law. What is this new and better law?

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Here is the website for the article if people are interested in looking at the questions. I often learn a lot from the others posting there too.

https://escapetoreality.org/2015/04/...-commandments/

 

[MarcR]

For whatever reason, there always seems to be confusion about the Law and what it means. So for the sake of clarity, Christians need to understand a few things in connection with this question:

1. When Paul speaks about "the Law" in Romans, he is primarily referring to the Ten Commandments, which establish the guilt of every human being as a sinner before God. Thus "for by the Law is the knowledge of sin". In other words we all must come before God and say "God, be merciful to me, a sinner". Therefore we establish the Law by admitting our guilt.

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In Jesus' teachings, He cited Leviticus and Deuteronomy frequently. In the first century, most references to the Law included either the Torah, the Prophets , Ezra, Nehemiah, Psalms and Proverbs; or the entire OT.

 

[Grace777x70]

If Paul were still alive today and knew you, I think he would like to see you saved ("gain" you) according to his ministry.
"To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might "gain" them that are without law." (1 Corinthians 9:21)

Then again, you might be worshipping God as Paul did according to his words written in Acts 24:14...
"But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:"

But.. who am I to judge? I'm just reading what you write without making any determination.

"Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven." "For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me. But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words? (Matthew 5:19 and John 5:46-47)

These are the words of our Saviour.

I agree with what Paul said concerning the law but there is to be no mixture of law and grace. They are based on 2 completely different things and have different purposes.

The law was "added" until Jesus - the Promise came. Gal. 3:19

That is the whole essence of law and grace. The law of Christ Himself living in and through us does keep the whole intent of the law - just not in "the way" of the Old Covenant.

Jesus said that all the law and the prophets speak of Christ Himself - which is why Paul was able to say - " believing all things that are written in the law and the prophets."

Law-keepers mis-apply this to mean that Paul kept the law of Moses in it's original state - which is in a carnal ( of the flesh way ) keeping of it.

This of course is totally false because Paul said to the Galatians that if they get circumcised as the law states they should - then Christ will become of no effect to them and they have fallen from grace. Gal. 5:2-4

( As a good Jew - I'm sure Paul kept some of his old ways of living too but he certainly didn't put Gentile Christians under his Jewish cultural traditions and demand that they follow it or they are sinning and dis-obeying God as some Sabbath keepers try to put on other Christians )

 

[loveme1]

I don't need an article it would be an insult to Whom teaches me.

I share freely and lie not.

i state the Holy Spirit is my guide and comfort not to prove or boast but to give all credit because without I know nothing and would have nothing to share.

 

[Grace777x70]

We can't be left hanging here about what or rather Who is written on our hearts now that we are in Christ.

What is this new law that is written on our hearts seeing as we know it's not the ten commandments in the form given in the Law of Moses?

What is this New Covenant that Ezekiel is prophesying about that was to come and now is here manifested in Christ's finished work on the cross and resurrection?

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What is the Law Written on Our Hearts?

Six-hundred years before Jesus came, the prophet Jeremiah spoke of a new covenant that God would make with his people:


“This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel after that time,” declares the Lord. “I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people. No longer will they teach their neighbor, or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’ because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest.” (Jer 31:33-34)

What is the law that God writes on our hearts and minds? Here are three things it is not:

• It is not the law of Moses. As we saw in the last post, if God wrote the Ten Commandments on our hearts then Jesus died for nothing.

• It is not a new and improved version of the law. It is not the new commands of Jesus or the New Testament. We cannot please God by keeping a new law any more than we could please him by keeping an old one.

• It is not the knowledge of right and wrong that was bestowed upon us – against the Lord’s wishes – by Adam.

So what is this law that the Lord writes on our hearts and minds and embeds in our very being?

It is Christ Himself.

Let’s look at three things the New Testament says about the new law in our hearts.

1. The law of love

A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. (John 13:34)

Under the old law covenant, love was demanded from you. “Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength.”

But under the new covenant of grace, love is given to you – “As I have loved you” – and out of the overflow of Christ’s measureless love we are able to love others.

How does it happen?

God’s love has been poured out into our hearts through the Holy Spirit, who has been given to us. (Rom 5:5)

God abundantly pours his love into our hearts by giving us the Holy Spirit, a.k.a. the Spirit of Christ. Do you see the difference between the old and new?

• Under the old, the law was a rule for weak men to obey. Under the new, the Law is the Spirit of Christ given to us, loving us, and loving others through us.

• Under the old, you loved others because you feared punishment. But under the new, you love because a Lover lives in you and it is his nature to love.

• Under the old, you had to make an effort to obey. But under the new you have to make an effort to disobey. It’s a whole new way of life.

2. The law of the Spirit of life

It’s important that you understand the difference between the old law (a written code you can’t keep) and the new Law (Christ himself, living in you). Try and live by the old laws, as Paul did, and it make you miserable:

What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death? (Rom 7:24)

Paul couldn’t keep the old law no matter how hard he tried. He needed a new law and that new law is a Who:

Who will rescue me…? Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord. (Rom 7:24-25a)

Do you see? The old law is a what; the new law is a Who. The old law ministers condemnation and death (2 Cor 3:7-9), but the new “law of the Spirit gives life” (Rom 8:2).

For the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. (2 Cor 3:6)

Who gives life? Not a set of rules, but the Spirit of Christ within you. The new law is a Who.

3. The perfect law of liberty

James wrote of “the perfect law that gives freedom” (Jas 1:25), which can be contrasted with the law of Moses that binds (Rom 7:6).

What is the perfect law that gives freedom? Well, what is the implanted word that can save you (Jas 1:21)? It’s not the Ten Commandments or the Bible. It’s Jesus, the living Word who sets us free.

The perfect law of liberty describes what Jesus has done (perfectly fulfilled or completed the law) and the fruit he will bear in our lives (liberty) if we trust him.

But whoever looks intently into the perfect law that gives freedom, and continues in it – not forgetting what they have heard, but doing it – they will be blessed in what they do. (Jas 1:25)

Look into the mirror of Moses’ law and you will be miserable, for it exposes all your faults. But look into the perfect law which is Jesus and you will be blessed, for it reveals His righteousness.

“Don’t just listen but do what it (the perfect law of liberty) says” (Jas 1:22). In other words, allow the Spirit of Christ to convince you that in him you are righteous and holy.

Don’t walk away from the perfect law and forget who you are in Christ. Fix your eyes on Jesus. Look intently with an unveiled face and be transformed into his likeness.

The Law written in our hearts is Jesus

Jeremiah said those who had the new law written on their hearts would know the Lord and would no longer need others to teach them. This is describing your union with Christ. One with the Lord you have the mind of Christ (1 Cor 2:16). His Spirit dwells in you and teaches you all things (John 14:26).

The law of the Lord written into your members is your Father’s spiritual DNA. It is the seed of God birthed in you by the Holy Spirit. It’s Jesus Himself.

How do you know He’s there? Because you are a new creation with new hopes and desires. You no longer want to sin. Your desire is to love God and others and that desire has nothing to do with old rules written in stone.

Christian, you are who you are because Christ lives in you. He is the new law written, by God, in your heart and mind.

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https://escapetoreality.org/2015/04/...on-our-hearts/

 

[MarcR]

Hi loveme1., Again., the law is never the focus. The focus is always becoming more like Jesus through the power of the Holy Spirit by grace through faith in the finished work of Christ on our behalf.

I agree! However , as I see it, the primary purpose of the Law was to demonstrate that mankind is not able to please God through our own efforts.

 

[loveme1]

Grace no one is left hanging if they believe the New Testament. Those that know the Father Hear Him through His Son. They are not separate.

 

[unobtrusive]

I agree with what Paul said concerning the law but there is to be no mixture of law and grace. They are based on 2 completely different things and have different purposes.

The law was "added" until Jesus - the Promise came. Gal. 3:19

That is the whole essence of law and grace. The law of Christ Himself living in and through us does keep the whole intent of the law - just not in "the way" of the Old Covenant.

Jesus said that all the law and the prophets speak of Christ Himself - which is why Paul was able to say - " believing all things that are written in the law and the prophets."

Law-keepers mis-apply this to mean that Paul kept the law of Moses in it's original state - which is in a carnal ( of the flesh way ) keeping of it.

This of course is totally false because Paul said to the Galatians that if they get circumcised as the law states they should - then Christ will become of no effect to them and they have fallen from grace. Gal. 5:2-4

( As a good Jew - I'm sure Paul kept some of his old ways of living too but he certainly didn't put Gentile Christians under his Jewish cultural traditions and demand that they follow it or they are sinning and dis-obeying God as some Sabbath keepers try to put on other Christians )

In answer to your last statement about Jews not putting Gentiles under Jewish tradition. I agree that Judaism is a doctrine of men, but I also say that the law is not man's doctrine either. Acts 15 shows that the Apostles gave the Gentiles a good start by not burdening them with things they couldn't even endure themselves (Judaism). Nevertheless they knew that the Gentiles would hear the law read to them every Sabbath day thereafter.

Acts 15:20-21[SUP]
20 [/SUP]But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

Question - do believers in Christ still transgress now and then? If we are to be conformed (a process) into the image if Christ, what happens when we deny instructions of correction? After all we "live" by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God. Not only that, Jesus quoted the law 3 times to Satan during His temptation. Is not the law then a good defence to resist the devil?

"Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator." (Galatians 3:19)

With that said, I am not in any way denying "faith" in God, or rejecting His "grace" shown to us in "every word" He has ever spoken. All of God's words are faithful and graceful from the beginning of time to the end. Both grace and faith are gifts from Him. We are unable to produce those two things on our own.

 

[unobtrusive]

Before Paul's conversion, I believe that he viewed the written law with his own carnal mind. After his conversion, I think that he viewed the law with Spiritual understanding, rejecting the physical aspects of "works of the law" deeming that outlook as being fleshly and carnal.

The "law" didn't change in the least. Paul changed, as we should, and he said to follow his example. I hope that makes sense.

This is the way I see it, simply because Paul said that the law was spiritual, holy, just, and good. With those 4 attributes, I cannot see why we should turn our backs on it because of the New. Why would we ever want to separate the Father from the Son? That's what we are doing if we cling to one or the other, but not both. Would that not be the thinking of a carnal mind?

 

[seed_time_harvest]

The commandment in the New Covenant ( the Old Covenant is a goner now ) is to "believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and to love one another." 1 John 3:23

From Him all things will be manifested as His life is bearing His fruit in and through us.

We don't live "by the keeping of" carnal commandments in the New Covenant - we live by the law of the spirit of life in Christ now. The law of love, the law of liberty, the law of faith ( the Law is not of faith ) - the law of Christ Himself.

We love because He has first loved us. It's descriptive of His life being in us - not in the following of a carnal commandment to obey.

John 15:12 (NASB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] "This is My commandment, that you love one another, just as I have loved you.

Jesus is not commanding us to "manifest" love. The original commandment in John 15 is to "abide in Him".

Believing in what He has done and His love for us will release the love of God that is in us and that believing in Christ and "abiding/remaining/staying" in His love and grace towards us will cause love and His life to manifest in and through us to a hurt and dying world that needs to see the love and grace of our loving Father and Lord toward them.

Jesus' commandments are His enablements and are really descriptive of His life being manifested in us.

This right believing in Christ's love and work for us releases His life in us and fulfills all the intent of the Law which has the 10 commandments in it. We don't live by the 10 commandments in the New Covenant - we live by His life.

We can see Christ's life in the 10 commandments as He is the fulfillment and real substance of them as all scripture is profitable for us.

The10 commandments in the Old Covenant which is now a goner "for the Christian" and obsolete because the true substance has come - Jesus Himself - as being all promises fulfilled in Christ and His life in us.

This is hugely different then following a carnal commandment as it is laid out in the Old Covenant.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Grace777x70 again.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Christ Himself is the law or principle that we live by now in the New Covenant. I encourage all people to not replace Him for the "keeping of the law of Moses". That's called a "religion".

The true Christian has died to the law, been released from the law and not under the law of Moses. Christ Himself has replaced the law of Moses and has fulfilled all the intent of the law of Moses.

We are to eat from Him and not from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. God alone can eat from that tree. We in the New Covenant live by Christ's life alone.

Colossians 3:3 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For you have died and your life is hidden with Christ in God.

Thanks Grace777x70
I think I got It better now about the tree of the knowledge of good and evil and the tree of life.

 

[FlSnookman7]

I will attempt to answer the op but it has taken me many years and many great teachers to learn so it may be difficult to sum up here.

In order to really love anyone at all we must first be confident in the fact the we ourselves are loved and of who we are in Christ. Commonly known as the solomon syndrome, before we come to this realization we constantly seek false goals that, when reached, do not provide the satisfaction or peace we thought they would. This leaves us unfulfilled and we seek another false goal for the same reason with the same results. The false goals can be almost anything, money, possesions, kudos, anything, actually, that is other than coming to know God.

Just as our physical bodies have a hierarchy of needs our spirit and soul does as well. The physical needs are air, food, water etc., that we need to physically live. The hierarchy simply means some needs are more important than others and must be met first. For instance having nothing to drink is important but it becomes unimportant if we can not breath. Until our need to breath is met we wont care if we are thirsty.

Just as we are three part beings (flesh, soul, spirit) each part has its own needs. Until we come to the realization that we are who God says we are (redeemed, righteous, loved, with purpose) we can never love God or others. That is why we must first have faith to believe we are who God says we are despite the evidence to the contrary.

Hope that helped. Shalom!

 

[unobtrusive]

I will attempt to answer the op but it has taken me many years and many great teachers to learn so it may be difficult to sum up here.

In order to really love anyone at all we must first be confident in the fact the we ourselves are loved and of who we are in Christ. Commonly known as the solomon syndrome, before we come to this realization we constantly seek false goals that, when reached, do not provide the satisfaction or peace we thought they would. This leaves us unfulfilled and we seek another false goal for the same reason with the same results. The false goals can be almost anything, money, possesions, kudos, anything, actually, that is other than coming to know God.

Just as our physical bodies have a hierarchy of needs our spirit and soul does as well. The physical needs are air, food, water etc., that we need to physically live. The hierarchy simply means some needs are more important than others and must be met first. For instance having nothing to drink is important but it becomes unimportant if we can not breath. Until our need to breath is met we wont care if we are thirsty.

Just as we are three part beings (flesh, soul, spirit) each part has its own needs. Until we come to the realization that we are who God says we are (redeemed, righteous, loved, with purpose) we can never love God or others. That is why we must first have faith to believe we are who God says we are despite the evidence to the contrary.

Hope that helped. Shalom!

He says... "You are because I Am.

 

[joaniemarie]

The commandment in the New Covenant ( the Old Covenant is a goner now ) is to "believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and to love one another." 1 John 3:23

From Him all things will be manifested as His life is bearing His fruit in and through us.

We don't live "by the keeping of" carnal commandments in the New Covenant - we live by the law of the spirit of life in Christ now. The law of love, the law of liberty, the law of faith ( the Law is not of faith ) - the law of Christ Himself.

We love because He has first loved us. It's descriptive of His life being in us - not in the following of a carnal commandment to obey.

John 15:12 (NASB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] "This is My commandment, that you love one another, just as I have loved you.

Jesus is not commanding us to "manifest" love. The original commandment in John 15 is to "abide in Him".

Believing in what He has done and His love for us will release the love of God that is in us and that believing in Christ and "abiding/remaining/staying" in His love and grace towards us will cause love and His life to manifest in and through us to a hurt and dying world that needs to see the love and grace of our loving Father and Lord toward them.

Jesus' commandments are His enablements and are really descriptive of His life being manifested in us.

This right believing in Christ's love and work for us releases His life in us and fulfills all the intent of the Law which has the 10 commandments in it. We don't live by the 10 commandments in the New Covenant - we live by His life.

We can see Christ's life in the 10 commandments as He is the fulfillment and real substance of them as all scripture is profitable for us.

The10 commandments in the Old Covenant which is now a goner "for the Christian" and obsolete because the true substance has come - Jesus Himself - as being all promises fulfilled in Christ and His life in us.

This is hugely different then following a carnal commandment as it is laid out in the Old Covenant.

Amen good post in a sea of confusing and mixed up ones. This is what the Holy Spirit has been showing me about Jesus and Him living His life through us. Gal.2:20

[SUP]20 [/SUP]I have been crucified with Christ [in Him I have shared His crucifixion]; it is no longer I who live, but Christ (the Messiah) lives in me; and the life I now live in the body I live by faith in (by adherence to and reliance on and complete trust in) the Son of God, Who loved me and gave Himself up for me.
[SUP]
21 [/SUP][Therefore, I do not treat God’s gracious gift as something of minor importance and defeat its very purpose]; I do not set aside and invalidate and frustrate and nullify the grace (unmerited favor) of God. For if justification (righteousness, acquittal from guilt) comes through [observing the ritual of] the Law, then Christ (the Messiah) died groundlessly and to no purpose and in vain. [His death was then wholly superfluous.]




When Christians get this wrong it's like getting on an stationary exercise bike... hunkering down and pushing themselves spinning wheels that go no where but thinking so much ground is being covered. Trying to be justified in the keeping the law... any law.,any good work., any right behavior.

Because it always is pointing to the person who is doing the peddling and not Jesus who already finished the work. All we do is follow Him and He leads. He gets all the credit because He did everything from start to finish. How well I follow is up to me but He is the One who set our feet on the solid ground.

Now., anytime I read or hear people upholding their right behavior., I'm immediately reminded how it's not us., it's Jesus. What we do that is right is because of Him. Not because we were good and proper in our assessment of the situation and made the right choice.

On our own., we can go one way or another never consistently because we are fallible and yet we think we are doing well when in fact we stink some 75% of the time. We need the Holy Spirit to show us what our new man can do BECAUSE OF Jesus while we are here on earth. For example., a person gives to a charity., or gives blood. It immediately in some cases for some people makes them feel good. When really., it's doing what Jesus would do and He gets the credit since He is the One we follow., and we get the trickle down effect.

To try and take the credit for being obedient., or generous or kind or loving is to me a childish response. And shows me that my growing in maturity is still in process. So while giving and doing is right and benefits others.., it only counts for Christ and will last when I realize it's done IN Him and not in and by my abilities.

It's because of my being crucified with Christ...nevertheless I'm still alive and kicking but Christ lives in me... and the life i now live and am living.... I'm living BY the faith of the Son of God who loved me and gave Himself for me. That's the best way I can put it so far.

 

[joaniemarie]

I will attempt to answer the op but it has taken me many years and many great teachers to learn so it may be difficult to sum up here.

In order to really love anyone at all we must first be confident in the fact the we ourselves are loved and of who we are in Christ. Commonly known as the solomon syndrome, before we come to this realization we constantly seek false goals that, when reached, do not provide the satisfaction or peace we thought they would. This leaves us unfulfilled and we seek another false goal for the same reason with the same results. The false goals can be almost anything, money, possesions, kudos, anything, actually, that is other than coming to know God.

Just as our physical bodies have a hierarchy of needs our spirit and soul does as well. The physical needs are air, food, water etc., that we need to physically live. The hierarchy simply means some needs are more important than others and must be met first. For instance having nothing to drink is important but it becomes unimportant if we can not breath. Until our need to breath is met we wont care if we are thirsty.

Just as we are three part beings (flesh, soul, spirit) each part has its own needs. Until we come to the realization that we are who God says we are (redeemed, righteous, loved, with purpose) we can never love God or others. That is why we must first have faith to believe we are who God says we are despite the evidence to the contrary.

Hope that helped. Shalom!

Amen! Good post! Good words!

 

[joaniemarie]

God didn't send Jesus so that He could put the 10 commandments in us. He came to give us Jesus Himself so only He has fulfilled the intent of the law - including the 10 commandments.

Jesus said that the law and prophets and the psalms "speak" of Him.

If Paul is telling us the truth when he says the Christian is not under the Law but under grace now, has died to the Law, is released from the Law.

( Which I do believe Paul is telling us the truth ).

- Then how is our relationship to be to the law in regards to the "good" that is in the ten commandments from the Old Covenant?

Live "from" the 10 promises instead of "by" the 10 commandments because we are now in Christ in the New Covenant.

It's in the knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ and the grace of God which manifests His life in and through us that we live by now.

Here is how the 10 commandments intent is fulfilled in Christ and thus in us too.

1) When you know Me ( Jesus ) and I live in you, you will have no need for other gods because you have a loving Father who loves you deeply and unconditionally.

2) When you know Me ( Jesus ) ,and I live in you the idols in life will fade like mist in the sun.

3) When you know Me ( Jesus ) and I live in you, you will never stop speaking My name to establish freedom - My name is Jesus.

4) When you know Me ( Jesus ) and I live in you, you will cease from your own works and rely totally on what I have already done for you and find true Sabbath rest in Me.

5) When you know Me ( Jesus ) and I live in you, you will be honored as fathers and mothers to nations.

6) When you know Me ( Jesus ) and I live in you, you will restore life.

7) When you know Me ( Jesus ) and I live in you, you will experience deep authentic relationships which you will treasure.

8) When you know Me ( Jesus ) ,and I live in you, you will be established in abundance and generosity.

9) When you know Me ( Jesus ) ,and I live in you, you will be My witness.

10) When you know Me ( Jesus ) and I live in you, your love which is My love flowing in and through you for your neighbor will bring restoration to this world.

The 10 commandments are now 10 promises fulfilled in us through relationship with our loving Father because we are in Christ and the fruit of His life being manifested in and through us.

Awesome post! Thank you again for the Scripture laden WORDS on this thread!!!

 

[joaniemarie]

Here is a great article that speaks about what is written on our hearts now that we are in Christ. I like to use this website as it has at the bottom a place where you can ask questions and sometimes I learn from that area a lot.

The Law Written on Our Hearts is not the Ten Commandments

This is the covenant I will make with them after that time,” says the Lord. “I will put my laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds.” (Heb 10:16)

“This is obviously a reference to the law of Moses,” says the law-preacher. “The Ten Commandments were written in stone, now they’re written in the hearts and minds of God’s people.”

Not true. Here are seventeen reasons why God has not written the Ten Commandments on your heart:

1. The law inflames sin (Rom 5:20) and the strength of sin is the law (1 Cor 15:56). Why would God want to stir up sin in your life?


2. The law condemns (2 Cor 3:9), yet there is no condemnation to those in Christ.


3. The law ministers death (2 Cor 3:7), but God wants you to enjoy abundant life.


4. Law and grace don’t mix. You are under grace, not law (Rom 6:14).


5. Living by the law will alienate you from Christ (Gal 5:4).


6. Living by the law is cheating on Jesus (Rom 7:1-6). Why would God do anything to encourage spiritual adultery?


7. We’re to live by faith but the law is not of faith (Gal 3:12). The law encourages us to depend on ourselves instead of Jesus.


8. Those who live under the law are under a curse (Gal 3:10). Why would God curse those he has blessed?


9. The law binds and enslaves (Rom 7:6), but Jesus wants you free.


10. The law keeps you immature for it makes nothing perfect or complete (Heb 7:19).


11. We have died to the law so that we may serve in the new way of the Spirit and “not in the old way of the written code” (Rom 7:6).


12. When there has been a change of priesthood, the law must be changed also (Heb 7:12). For God to write the old law on our hearts would be like saying Aaron is greater than Jesus.


13. God found fault with the law-keeping covenant and made it obsolete (Heb 8:7,13). Why would God insult his Son’s sacrifice by giving you the very thing his sacrifice rendered obsolete?


14. The law is a shadow of the good things to come and not the reality (Heb 10:1). Why would God give you the shadow instead of “the good thing”?


15. The Jews considered the law to be ordained by angels (Heb 2:2). If so, says the author of Hebrews, then it is inferior to the gospel of Jesus (Heb 1:4). Why would God give you an inferior gift?


16. Some Christians think that God gives them the law as a guide to live by, but why would God want you to repeat the mistake of the Galatians (Gal 3:2)? Why would God do anything to make you fall from grace?


17. The old law-keeping covenant required an accounting or remembering of sin, but the new covenant is characterized by God forgiving and forgetting on account of Jesus (Heb 10:17). If the law that God writes in our hearts is the law of Moses, then Jesus died for nothing.

If God has written the Ten Commandments on your heart and mind, you should be able to list all ten with no trouble. Can you? What’s the seventh commandment? You can’t do it because it’s not there, and a very good thing that is too! If the law that God writes in our hearts is the law of Moses, you’re in big trouble.

The good news is that God has written in us a far better law. What is this new and better law?

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Here is the website for the article if people are interested in looking at the questions. I often learn a lot from the others posting there too.

https://escapetoreality.org/2015/04/...-commandments/

​Wow another good post and so appropriate and needed here. God bless you brother!!!

 

[LoveGodForever]

Seems like the mixed up ones don't know who they are. If you are trying to separate God's Law from the Gospel you are mixed up indeed because God's Law gives us a knowledge of sin. If you do not have God's Law you do not know that you are a sinner. If you do not know you are a sinner you have no need of a savior. If you have no need of a Savior you have no need of Salvation. If you have no salvation you are lost. How can you be a sinner with no Law? No Law no Savior no Salvation = lost, because it is written For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law (Rom 2:12).

Are you saved by the Law? NO! God's Law only shows us who we are as God' sees us as sinners in filthy rags needing help from the great physician because we have the sickness of sin. It is the schoolmaster that brings us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. Jesus says I have not come to call the righteous but sinners to repentance go learn what that means (Matt 9:12-13).

James 2:8-12
8, If ye fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, ye do well: 9, But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. 10, For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11, For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 12, So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

By the way this includes God's 7th Day Sabbath which is one of the 10.

Proverbs 28:9
He that turns away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination.

Romans 3:31,
Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

 

[joaniemarie]

Seems like the mixed up ones don't know who they are. If you are trying to separate God's Law from the Gospel you are mixed up indeed because God's Law gives us a knowledge of sin. If you do not have God's Law you do not know that you are a sinner.


When we are unsaved, we need the law. Not only that., the Holy Spirit is on the earth also proclaiming to the sinner through many different means that they are in need because they are sinners. The Holy Spirit convicts the world of sin and judgment. John 16:8

[SUP]8 [/SUP]And when He comes, He will convict and convince the world and bring demonstration to it about sin and about righteousness (uprightness of heart and right standing with God) and about judgment:



And there is also the evidence of God's creation that leaves everyone without excuse. Romans 1:20-21

[SUP]20 [/SUP]For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

Also, when we are saved., we no longer need the reminder that we are sinners because we no longer ARE sinners., we have been made saints so there is no need to be condemned and the Bible says so Romans 8:1

8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them that are in Christ Jesus.


The Holy Spirit now convicts us of our righteousness. We no longer need the law we have been given the HolySpirit... why do you want the law?. Why do Christians want the law to convict them of sin when the devil will do that gladly? We have the Holy Spirit to convict us of our right standing with Jesus so we are convinced we are NOT condemned with the world and so we can stand when the enemy comes shooting fiery darts at us.


If you do not know you are a sinner you have no need of a savior. If you have no need of a Savior you have no need of Salvation. If you have no salvation you are lost. How can you be a sinner with no Law? No Law no Savior no Salvation = lost, because it is written For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law (Rom 2:12).





Are you saved by the Law? NO! God's Law only shows us who we are as God' sees us as sinners in filthy rags needing help from the great physician because we have the sickness of sin. It is the schoolmaster that brings us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. Jesus says I have not come to call the righteous but sinners to repentance go learn what that means (Matt 9:12-13).

James 2:8-12
8, If ye fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, ye do well: 9, But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. 10, For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11, For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 12, So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

By the way this includes God's 7th Day Sabbath which is one of the 10.

Proverbs 28:9
He that turns away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination.

Romans 3:31,
Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

And so., as a believer we no longer need the law to do any of that stuff you posted. We now HAVE the Holy Spirit living in us. With Him being right IN us... why do you want the law?? Dump it! You don't need it any more to show you how bad you are. You are no longer bad... you are righteous IN Christ. Now you have need to learn about the righteousness you have IN Christ!

 

[joaniemarie]

P.S. We now need to be daily learning about the righteousness of God IN Christ that we have been gifted. 2:Cor.5:21
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Him who knew no sin he made to be sin on our behalf; that we might become the righteousness of God in him.


[SUP]21 [/SUP]For our sake He made Christ [virtually] to be sin Who knew no sin, so that in and through Him we might become [[SUP][a][/SUP]endued with, viewed as being in, and examples of] the righteousness of God [what we ought to be, approved and acceptable and in right relationship with Him, by His goodness].

We need to learn about who we have been made into and how we are to live and respond to life all over again while now being born again., made alive IN Christ. We were once dead... now we are alive and our life is now hid with Christ. We need to dump our old habits of life that once led us to walk on the path of life and become students of the Holy Spirit....(not the law)