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John 7:16-20,
16, Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me. 17, If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself. 18, He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him. 19, Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keeps the law? Why go ye about to kill me? 20, The people answered and said, Thou hast a devil: who goes about to kill thee?
16, Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me. 17, If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself. 18, He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him. 19, Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keeps the law? Why go ye about to kill me? 20, The people answered and said, Thou hast a devil: who goes about to kill thee?
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You probably mean well in your misguided state.. but by calling those that Love GOD bozos spreading a false gospel for adhering to the Teaching of the Messiah you are proving yourself openly.
The Blood of Jesus was for remission of sins and the power of His Birth, Death and Resurrection is Heavenly Father.
We are saved by Grace through Faith in the Messiah.
He is the author of eternal salvation to those that obey Him.
I'm not part of any cult or the SDA so they can share their beliefs and experience with you if they do choose.
The Blood of Jesus was for remission of sins and the power of His Birth, Death and Resurrection is Heavenly Father.
We are saved by Grace through Faith in the Messiah.
He is the author of eternal salvation to those that obey Him.
I'm not part of any cult or the SDA so they can share their beliefs and experience with you if they do choose.
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Dear Snoozy,
How are you today friend? God's Word is not garbage, neither does Jesus have a devil. The accusations you have made above have no basis in truth. If you know God's Word lets hear it? If you do not know God's Word why do you not believe it? It is the Word of God that will judge us in the last days. I do not judge you.
John 12:47-48,
47, And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. 48, He that rejects me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
In Christ Always!
How are you today friend? God's Word is not garbage, neither does Jesus have a devil. The accusations you have made above have no basis in truth. If you know God's Word lets hear it? If you do not know God's Word why do you not believe it? It is the Word of God that will judge us in the last days. I do not judge you.
John 12:47-48,
47, And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. 48, He that rejects me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
In Christ Always!
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There are a lot of pros and cons concerning the Sabbath on this thread.
Do the cons see Sabbath keeping as something related to occult practices?
Do the pros see the cons as heretics or pagan just because they refuse to observe it?
Just wondering why these different viewpoints (whatever they are) cause division.
Is it really important to dispute these things that seem to never be reconciled?
146 pages, 2904 posts, and no one has re-evaluated their beliefs from the very beginning that I can see.
"Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations." (Romans 14:1)
Maybe the cons think the pros are weak in the faith, and maybe the pros think the cons are weak in the faith because they both have a different interpretation as to what faith actually is. Who knows? I don't.
Do the cons see Sabbath keeping as something related to occult practices?
Do the pros see the cons as heretics or pagan just because they refuse to observe it?
Just wondering why these different viewpoints (whatever they are) cause division.
Is it really important to dispute these things that seem to never be reconciled?
146 pages, 2904 posts, and no one has re-evaluated their beliefs from the very beginning that I can see.
"Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations." (Romans 14:1)
Maybe the cons think the pros are weak in the faith, and maybe the pros think the cons are weak in the faith because they both have a different interpretation as to what faith actually is. Who knows? I don't.
Hi unobtrusive,
Actually you are making some very good questions and observations. It is funny because I have actually been studying about this very thing over the last few days. Much can be summed up in the following verses (there are many more just showing a few)
Matt 10:34-36,
34, Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. 35, For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. 36, And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
Matt 10:24-25,
24, The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord. 25, It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub,6 how much more shall they call them of his household?
Matt 10:22
And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endurs to the end shall be saved.
Matt 24:9
Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
Mark 13:13
And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Luke 21:17
And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.
John 15:18
If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.
The big question is why?
John 7:5-7,
5, For neither did his brethren believe in him <Jesus speaking to unbelievers>. 6, Then Jesus said unto them, My time is not yet come: but your time is always ready. 7, The world cannot hate you; but me it hates, because I testify of it, that the works thereof are evil.
John 17:14
I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
John 3:19-21,
19, And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20, For every one that does evil hates the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21, But he that does truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
God has his people in all the Churches and outside the Church . God is calling his people out from wherever they maybe so that they will all be together with one Shepard and one fold to worship him in Spirit and in truth (John 10:16; John 4:23-24).
The reason there is division and the world will hate God's true followers is because they are the disciples of Jesus and must speak the same Word's God gives them and they must testify to the world that their deeds are evil just as Jesus did (John 7:5-7). Some will hear the call and others will rise up against it. As a result of sharing the truth God's followers will be hated by all nations just as they hated Jesus.
God's sheep will hear His voice and follow him.
Interesting study.
God bless you
Actually you are making some very good questions and observations. It is funny because I have actually been studying about this very thing over the last few days. Much can be summed up in the following verses (there are many more just showing a few)
Matt 10:34-36,
34, Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. 35, For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. 36, And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
Matt 10:24-25,
24, The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord. 25, It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub,6 how much more shall they call them of his household?
Matt 10:22
And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endurs to the end shall be saved.
Matt 24:9
Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
Mark 13:13
And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Luke 21:17
And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.
John 15:18
If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.
The big question is why?
John 7:5-7,
5, For neither did his brethren believe in him <Jesus speaking to unbelievers>. 6, Then Jesus said unto them, My time is not yet come: but your time is always ready. 7, The world cannot hate you; but me it hates, because I testify of it, that the works thereof are evil.
John 17:14
I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
John 3:19-21,
19, And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20, For every one that does evil hates the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21, But he that does truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
God has his people in all the Churches and outside the Church . God is calling his people out from wherever they maybe so that they will all be together with one Shepard and one fold to worship him in Spirit and in truth (John 10:16; John 4:23-24).
The reason there is division and the world will hate God's true followers is because they are the disciples of Jesus and must speak the same Word's God gives them and they must testify to the world that their deeds are evil just as Jesus did (John 7:5-7). Some will hear the call and others will rise up against it. As a result of sharing the truth God's followers will be hated by all nations just as they hated Jesus.
God's sheep will hear His voice and follow him.
Interesting study.
God bless you
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Hello all,
Just wanting to wish you all a very happy and restful Sabbath day (my time). I guess your time is soon. Wish you all love, joy and peace in the Holy Ghost. To him who loves us and washed us in His own blood so that we could be white as snow because He was not willing that any should perish. TO him be all glory forever and ever, Amen.
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God bless you all as he blesses me everyday
Just wanting to wish you all a very happy and restful Sabbath day (my time). I guess your time is soon. Wish you all love, joy and peace in the Holy Ghost. To him who loves us and washed us in His own blood so that we could be white as snow because He was not willing that any should perish. TO him be all glory forever and ever, Amen.
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God bless you all as he blesses me everyday
John 3
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
Heavenly Father in the name of your only Begotten Son I give thanks for your Grace and Mercy towards us all that we can gather here to give Praise and Thanks and show you we love you and your Truth always and are grateful always.
We are undeserving but you made us New by Grace through Faith.
May all come to love you and worship you in Spirit and Truth always and forever, so be it.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
Heavenly Father in the name of your only Begotten Son I give thanks for your Grace and Mercy towards us all that we can gather here to give Praise and Thanks and show you we love you and your Truth always and are grateful always.
We are undeserving but you made us New by Grace through Faith.
May all come to love you and worship you in Spirit and Truth always and forever, so be it.
If you're attempting to achieve blessing by keeping the Sabbath, here's some tips.
eat food prepared the day before. It's more blessed to simply reach into a bag and pull out a slice of bread than to prepare toast, which starts you on the road of doing tasks.
avoid travel. it's hard to rest when you're driving.
eat food prepared the day before. It's more blessed to simply reach into a bag and pull out a slice of bread than to prepare toast, which starts you on the road of doing tasks.
avoid travel. it's hard to rest when you're driving.
Law under Law as in the letter of the law kills ? (the law of works apart from Christ's work of faith as His labor of Love ) and the law of faith, the law of the unseen Spirit that heals as Christ works in us to both will and do His good pleasure. (imputed righteousness) The law that does not do despite to the Spirit of grace .
Romans 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
Romans 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
The seventh day is "order sensitive." It is not to be tampered with.
As concerning law.......as Jesus instructed the Pharisees, and all for it forms part of the gospel, most miss the three major points to be appleied when understanding the law..faith, mercy and justice.
Law under the law is fulfilled.........law under grace will never be fulfilled for it does not have need of being fulfilled. Our faith establishes the law. Our faith is a gift from kGod. Upon receiving it, we desire to conform to God's will; that is obeying Him
As concerning law.......as Jesus instructed the Pharisees, and all for it forms part of the gospel, most miss the three major points to be appleied when understanding the law..faith, mercy and justice.
Law under the law is fulfilled.........law under grace will never be fulfilled for it does not have need of being fulfilled. Our faith establishes the law. Our faith is a gift from kGod. Upon receiving it, we desire to conform to God's will; that is obeying Him
Did you mean or face the the temporal consequences of a missed opportunity to get out the gospel on a day we have no servile work to perform ?
So then if a person hears the word of God and does not harden their heart in respect to the new era of Sabbaths they do not enter His rest?
Ceremonial laws govern ceremonies . They are not moral laws that govern the morality of the whole world. They are used as shadows to preach the gospel in respect to the suffering of Christ beforehand that pointed to the time of reformation . That time came over two thousand years ago. Are you hoping that a ceremonial law could impart saving grace as something we could judge one another in regard to?
It has been fulfilled as continues to fulfill it . Christ said it was finished, the shadows became substance ? Was it a remnant of the payment due (eternal damnation) and monthly installments are in view?
Yes the desire is not of ourselves lest any man in false pride boast. His faith, the faith of God as a work of Christ’s labor of love establishes His law of faith. It is Christ who works in us to both will and do his good pleasure. The better thing that accompanies salvation.
So then if a person hears the word of God and does not harden their heart in respect to the new era of Sabbaths they do not enter His rest?
Ceremonial laws govern ceremonies . They are not moral laws that govern the morality of the whole world. They are used as shadows to preach the gospel in respect to the suffering of Christ beforehand that pointed to the time of reformation . That time came over two thousand years ago. Are you hoping that a ceremonial law could impart saving grace as something we could judge one another in regard to?
It has been fulfilled as continues to fulfill it . Christ said it was finished, the shadows became substance ? Was it a remnant of the payment due (eternal damnation) and monthly installments are in view?
Yes the desire is not of ourselves lest any man in false pride boast. His faith, the faith of God as a work of Christ’s labor of love establishes His law of faith. It is Christ who works in us to both will and do his good pleasure. The better thing that accompanies salvation.
Yes we keep according to how the scriptures defines keep.(guard with all our new heart soul and mind.) We guard that which defends us and calls us back if we fail to.
2Kings 11:6 And a third part shall be at the gate of Sur; and a third part at the gate behind the guard: so shall ye keep the watch of the house, that it be not broken down.
2Kings 11:6 And a third part shall be at the gate of Sur; and a third part at the gate behind the guard: so shall ye keep the watch of the house, that it be not broken down.