Are you Christian or Jewish...

[garee]

lol Am I Christian or Jewish ? Depends on the situation, to a lot of people who talk to me as a stranger, they know me as Damian who speaks with an English accent, if they spend enough time with me I will reveal to them more about me.

Since the Holy Spirit defines His words he uses to convey His thoughts. Is there any difference between a inward Jew not pertaining the flesh of the Jewish nation as a born again Christian and a inward Gentile not pertaining to the flesh of any nation as a born again Christians, the new name God named His people?

If so what difference?

For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:Romans 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.Rom 2:28

 

[garee]

what verse was it that says "i do not suffer anyone to teach" . . ?

Thanks for the reply,

With all due respect I would offer the verse that informs us of those who would seduce us as antichrists in respect to those who does say ;we do need a man to teach and therefore usurp the promised teaching authority of our teacher and father in heaven us is found in 1 John 2: 26-27.

I’m writing to you about those who are trying to deceive you. The anointing you received from Christ lives in you. You don’t need anyone to teach you something else. Instead, Christ’s anointing teaches you about everything. His anointing is true and contains no lie. So live in Christ as he taught you to do. 1 John 2: 26-27.

In respect to to "i do not suffer anyone to teach" it is not found verbatim .

But what we do find is as one is our father in heaven, call no man on earth father, the same applies with Rabbi teacher. We walk by the faith of Him unseen. The faith of God . What if some do not believe? Would it make the faith of God, as the work of God that works in the believer without effect because of their unbelief (no faith)?

But don’t make others call you Rabbi, because you have only one teacher, and you are all followers. And don’t call anyone on earth your father, because you have only one Father, and he is in heaven. Don’t make others call you a leader, because you have only one leader, the Messiah. The person who is greatest among you will be your servant. Whoever honors himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be honored. Mathew 23 :8-12

No man can serve two masters (teachers) Even the Son of man in respect to his outward appearance when approached as “good teacher” replied only God is good.

And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master,(teacher) what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.Mar 10:17

This I believe helps us to understand what it means to walk by faith in respect to the Spirit of faith (Christ) as the things of God and not those as the things (private interpretations) as personal commentaries of men

The Holy Spirit demonstrates this moving Paul to declare His will and moving men to search it out.

Act 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

I would think the teachers would try and teach others "how" can we hear the thoughts of God as the things of God and not those of men as safeguard to protect us from the antichrists.?

 

[MultilingualMessenger]

Greetings beautiful people! I have a delema that pains my heart...
I am a Christian because I follow the words of Christ. The Old Testament has no place in my life.
The first testament describes a vengeful God, (a God that would kill children) a God that is definitely not the God described by Christ.
So it makes me sad when my friends or even my Pastor quotes from the Old Testament, as I feel they are straying from Christ's teaching. I understand through impeccable Logic, that a Christian should only read the words of Christ. Because when an individual, be them Christian or not, reads or speaks the old testament at that moment they are being Jewish. The Old Testament is the Jewish Bible when you speak it your being Jewish, full stop, logical and rational fact. I am definitely not anti-Semitic as I follow Christ's words and I love my neighbour.
Can anyone provide me with a logical and rational argument that refutes my argument. Furthermore, let's pick any contentious issue: let's say gays or gay marriage. Did Christ say anything against gays? If not, and you quote Leviticus, then in quoting and believing Leviticus, you are being a Jew not being Christian.
I have used this example because it is so volitile, not because I approve personal of homosexuality. But as a True Christian I should have no issue with homosexuality. Please only rational replies, I actually want to be proved wrong, but fact is fact.

Jesus quoted the Old Testament multiple times.

 

[preacher4truth]

Do we need a man to teach us or would that reveal the works of the antichrists, the man of sin?

Not sure what you're getting at here. Can you elaborate?

Yes, we need men to teach us, by the way. Scripture makes this quite clear.

 

[preacher4truth]

Jesus quoted the Old Testament multiple times.

How dare you point out the obvious!

 

[MultilingualMessenger]

How dare you point out the obvious!

I was surprised that that simple truth was lost on the original poster. They even said this:

I believe the only authority in the Bible is direct quotes from Jesus. I believe in Jesus Christ's God, the one he describes.

I mean, really...what does the OP think Jesus quoted?

 

[preacher4truth]

I was surprised that that simple truth was lost on the original poster. They even said this:



I mean, really...what does the OP think Jesus quoted?

Jesus probably went right to the source and quoted Himself.

 

[MultilingualMessenger]

Jesus probably went right to the source and quoted Himself.

Well, He is the Word and all...which is another reason the OP is ironic

 

[posthuman]

I would think the teachers would try and teach others "how" can we hear the thoughts of God as the things of God and not those of men as safeguard to protect us from the antichrists.?

i certainly don't think John is writing to warn us not to have anyone teach us, or to prevent anyone from teaching. it's clear from Pauline examples of the gifts of the Spirit that teaching is one of them, and there's a general command to believers:

Let the word of Christ richly dwell within you, with all wisdom teaching and admonishing one another with psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with thankfulness in your hearts to God.
(Colossians 3:16)​

there are straightforward ways for us to determine whether a teacher or a teaching is false. does it proclaim and glorify Christ? is it contrary to the gospel we have all received? does the teacher have love?

but what about ourselves? it seems easy enough to take 1 John 2:26-27 and decide that "no man should teach us" -- that being the case, refusing to hear anyone who would admonish or explain anything. how then do we know that we are being taught of the Spirit, and not merely 'teaching ourselves' -- i.e. mentally building up justification for whatever error we have in our own hearts?

seems to me we have to look toward The Teacher to prevent this -- maybe pray that He sends someone filled with His spirit to teach us

 

[MultilingualMessenger]

Thanks lomeme1 I am quite overwhelmed by all the dialogue. Not sure what I can say, I am farely new Christian. My heart sores when I read Jesus quotes like love they neighbour, what you do unto the least you do unto me, kingdom of heaven lies within etc
But my stomach twist and my heart falls when I hear the violent words of the OT or even any from the NT.
What can I say, I can only go by my heart. I minored in philosophy at University so I have a rational brain. I think CS Lewis said it best "no evil can be done in Aslans (Christ's) name and no good can be done in 'the enemies' name. I will not except stoning, sending Angels to kill, or any violence to be done in God's name. If that means I am at odds with the Bible then I will trust my heart and my favourite Jesus quotes. For are we to love thy neighbour or not!?

You've heard it said, "follow your heart", but I strongly advise against doing so, for it is written:

Proverbs 28:26 - He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool: but whoso walketh wisely, he shall be delivered.

Jeremiah 17:9 - The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure. Who can understand it?

Matthew 15:19 - For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false witness, slander.

Proverbs 3:5 - Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding.

 

[beta]

i certainly don't think John is writing to warn us not to have anyone teach us, or to prevent anyone from teaching. it's clear from Pauline examples of the gifts of the Spirit that teaching is one of them, and there's a general command to believers:

Let the word of Christ richly dwell within you, with all wisdom teaching and admonishing one another with psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with thankfulness in your hearts to God.
(Colossians 3:16)​

there are straightforward ways for us to determine whether a teacher or a teaching is false. does it proclaim and glorify Christ? is it contrary to the gospel we have all received? does the teacher have love?

but what about ourselves? it seems easy enough to take 1 John 2:26-27 and decide that "no man should teach us" -- that being the case, refusing to hear anyone who would admonish or explain anything. how then do we know that we are being taught of the Spirit, and not merely 'teaching ourselves' -- i.e. mentally building up justification for whatever error we have in our own hearts?

seems to me we have to look toward The Teacher to prevent this -- maybe pray that He sends someone filled with His spirit to teach us

How about 'the teacher come from God' .... Jesus Himself ? do we still need men as well ?

 

[stonesoffire]

How about 'the teacher come from God' .... Jesus Himself ? do we still need men as well ?

Confirmation possibly of what we study? Similar to Paul stating let the others discern what is being said. Just like here.

 

[loveme1]

I consider this man is looking at the Rock but not fallen on it and May it be so that it is coming to pass and Theo is just making enquiries.. yet to believe and receive.. and may the Love of GOD be shed abroad Upon his heart. By Grace through Faith in the Son of GOD author of eternal salvation to those who obey Him, so be it.

 

[posthuman]

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[beta]

Confirmation possibly of what we study? Similar to Paul stating let the others discern what is being said. Just like here.

Do we not read 'in the Word of God everything we need to know ? Do we need to listen to someone who calls himself a preacher ?

 

[posthuman]

Do we not read 'in the Word of God everything we need to know ? Do we need to listen to someone who calls himself a preacher ?

Hmmm...

So if i do no more than teach my child how to read, then given him/her a Bible ((KJV of course, "Authorized version")), and then i turn them loose in the world without further guidance, advice, explanation or conversation they should be fine?

 

[posthuman]

Hmmm...

So if i do no more than teach my child how to read, then given him/her a Bible ((KJV of course, "Authorized version")), and then i turn them loose in the world without further guidance, advice, explanation or conversation they should be fine?

ah:

Where no counsel is, the people fall:
but in the multitude of counsellers there is safety.
(Proverbs 11:14)​

what isn't strictly needful may yet be wise

 

[Theologian101]

do you maybe see a possible issue here . . ?

No, no issue. I understand and am advised on rational action by my brain. I am advised also from my heart, it provides the instinctual understanding and also my heart is how I feel connection with God.

 

[posthuman]

Let the word of Christ richly dwell within you, with all wisdom teaching and admonishing one another with psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with thankfulness in your hearts to God.
(Colossians 3:16)​

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Where no counsel is, the people fall:
but in the multitude of counsellers there is safety.
(Proverbs 11:14)​

wow am i Christian and Jewish!?!?

 

[beta]

Hmmm...

So if i do no more than teach my child how to read, then given him/her a Bible ((KJV of course, "Authorized version")), and then i turn them loose in the world without further guidance, advice, explanation or conversation they should be fine?

Oh they sure will learn a lot more by listening to all and sundry.....
but will it be the Truth ?