To what end did Jesus put an end to the law?

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unobtrusive

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You've got things twisted up.

It appears you think the Lord came to help establish working at the law. To cause people to work at the law by faith. Minus some of the laws such as priesthood and sacrifice.
Doesn't faith establish the law? (Romans 3:31)
Are we not of a royal priesthood? (1 Peter 2:9)
Are we not the temple of God? (1 Corinthians 3:16)
Are we not supposed to present our bodies as a living sacrifice? (Romans 12:1)

So, are we not supposed to continue in this spiritual temple worship according to the priesthood of Jesus Christ in us, the only difference is in parable comparing spiritual with spiritual.
(1 Corinthians 2:13)

Hebrews says there is a change from a Levital priesthood to Judaic priesthood in Christ Jesus. That's all.

If we cannot see these things in Spirit, we are of a carnal mind. Back to ya my friend.

"And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not." (Isaiah 6:9)

Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.(Matthew 13:13)

If we cannot look at God's law but only in the flesh, physical, and carnal, we render ourselves incapable of adhering to God's Holy Spirit no matter how we intend to present ourselves and God Himself to others. After all, the law is just, holy, good, and above all Spiritual. Paul said so.
 
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Grandpa

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Doesn't faith establish the law? (Romans 3:31)
Are we not of a royal priesthood? (1 Peter 2:9)
Are we not the temple of God? (1 Corinthians 3:16)
Are we not supposed to present our bodies as a living sacrifice? (Romans 12:1)
Yes. And all these are a continual description by Paul and the Holy Spirit to show why you are no longer under the Law but under Grace.

So, are we not supposed to continue in this spiritual temple worship according to the priesthood of Jesus Christ in us, the only difference is in parable comparing spiritual with spiritual.
(1 Corinthians 2:13)
Uh, no.

Hebrews 7:18-19
[FONT=&quot]18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

It's 'as if' the law has been canceled because of its ineffectualness to us. Because now there is a new and better Way.[/FONT]


Hebrews says there is a change from a Levital priesthood to Judaic priesthood in Christ Jesus. That's all.
That's definitely not all.

That's just all you WANT it to say.

If we cannot see these things in Spirit, we are of a carnal mind. Back to ya my friend.
If we look back to the law we are of a carnal mind. Going about to establish our own wisdom and righteousness when the Wisdom of God and His Righteousness is contained in Christ.

"And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not." (Isaiah 6:9)

Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.(Matthew 13:13)
2 Corinthians 3:12-16
[FONT=&quot]12 Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]13 And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.[/FONT]

If we cannot look at God's law but only in the flesh, physical, and carnal, we render ourselves incapable of adhering to God's Holy Spirit no matter how we intend to present ourselves and God Himself to others. After all, the law is just, holy, good, and above all Spiritual. Paul said so.
The problem arises in how we relate to each other. We relate to each other in carnal ways attempting to explain the spiritual.

The only way we can really relate to another person in a spiritual manner is by recognizing Christ and His Work in them when they attempt to explain what they explain.

1 Corinthians 2:10-14
[FONT=&quot]10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.[/FONT]
 
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Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Jesus fulfilled the law by being the perfect saint,the perfect sacrifice,and the perfect temple,the perfect High Priest,the perfect Prophet,the perfect Teacher,and anything else He had to fulfill in the Old Testament,and brought the New Testament.

After the millennial reign of Christ then heaven and earth shall pass away,for the heavens shall melt with fervent heat,and the earth and all that is therein shall be burned up,for they are associated with sin,because of the falling angels,heaven,and people,earth.

Jesus has not fulfilled the role of the perfect King on earth yet,for He did not rule as a King when He came to earth,but as a humble servant to preach the Gospel.

That is the purpose of the millennial reign is so Jesus can fulfill the perfect role of King on earth,and restore the kingdom to Israel.

Zec 14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

Isa 11:9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.

Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zec 14:17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
Zec 14:18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zec 14:19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zec 14:20 In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD; and the pots in the LORD'S house shall be like the bowls before the altar.
Zec 14:21 Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the LORD of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts.

There is a millennial reign on earth to come in the future for Jesus has to fulfill the role of King on earth,and then heaven and earth shall pass away.
 

unobtrusive

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Yes. And all these are a continual description by Paul and the Holy Spirit to show why you are no longer under the Law but under Grace.

Uh, no.

Hebrews 7:18-19
18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

It's 'as if' the law has been canceled because of its ineffectualness to us. Because now there is a new and better Way.


That's definitely not all.

That's just all you WANT it to say.

If we look back to the law we are of a carnal mind. Going about to establish our own wisdom and righteousness when the Wisdom of God and His Righteousness is contained in Christ.

2 Corinthians 3:12-16
12 Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:
13 And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.



First off, the writer of Hebrews is addressing commandments as in the 'putting away of sin', and second describing that ** the law cannot bring anything to the goal previously planned from the beginning. Therefore the writer of Hebrews is addressing sin, illuminated ( to shed light upon) by the law, becasue *"disannulling" and "put away sin" are exactly the same Greek word.
(see Hebrews 9:26) The earlier rule of law is "set aside" yet not rejected.

Hebrews 7:18-19
18 For there is verily a *disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
19 For the law made **nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:( 2 Timothy 3:16)

Timothy and Hebrews cannot be contradictory if we truly believe and live by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God. Who is God's mouth? Don't we know whose mouth does the talking? When Israel heard with their own ears from mount Horeb, who was doing the talking? Lo and behold it was the Word defined in John 1:1. We should be careful not to deny Christ.

2 Corinthians 3:12-16 .. We have access to the throne of God through Christ Jesus, the veil was rent when our Saviour died. The Temple is the place where God chooses, ("New Covenant "in us) and then He abides there. That's written in the law of Moses.


The problem arises in how we relate to each other. We relate to each other in carnal ways attempting to explain the spiritual.

The only way we can really relate to another person in a spiritual manner is by recognizing Christ and His Work in them when they attempt to explain what they explain.

1 Corinthians 2:10-14
10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
The only way we can really relate to God's law is by recognizing Christ and His Work, never contrary to His Father. It's a spiritual concept Gramps.
 
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