Not By Works

[loveme1]

My friend, what do you mean by supplemented Christ.
We are saved to walk by His example.

We are not saved to continue in sin and evil behaviour.

Do you think that evil behaviour is to be expected from everyone all the time, and the
cross does not set you free to live a holy life?

And I am secure in Christ, as long as I stay in Christ. That is not a buddist belief or worldly philosophy.
Too many like the idea of a personal belief system that takes them to heaven, but actually loving and
acting on it is a step too far. Now that is truly a earthly philosophy, relativism, you believe what you
like when things are good, but dog eat dog when the going gets tough.

2 Timothy 3


1This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. 6For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, 7Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. 8Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith. 9But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.



Your words reminded me of the above..

The Power of GOD is to make us New to walk in the Spirit through Faith in our Lord and Saviour.. the fruit is because of the Good vine supplying the Believing branch.. GOD is the Husbandman...

Let us sing praise to Heavenly Father and our Messiah always and forever.

can a dead branch produce fruit?

Does the branch graft itself in to the vine? No.. it was dead ready to be burnt if The Messiah did not come to Save it and give it life through Himself.

The power of GOD indeed.

Peace and love.

 

[Cee]

Good works come from a pure heart. Work that He has done in us. How do we see these good works manifest? Through purity.

We purify ourselves THROUGH hope. Hoping to be like Him when we see Him face to face.

1 John 3:2 Beloved, we are God’s children now*, and what we will be has not yet appeared; but we know that when he appears we shall be like him, because we shall see him as he is. 3And everyone who thus hopes in him purifies himself as he is pure.

Matt 5:8 Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.

*Notice according to 1 John 3:2 This process starts by first agreeing we are God's children now.

 

[PeterJens]

one more time than I am done.

I refuse to engage because you refuse to listen to anything any of us say, after over a year, you are still demanding that we believe things we do not believe.

Once again, you refuse to look inside and see what your own issues are, but have no problems trying to blame everyone else.

if your going to get mad, get mad at yourself. and stop trying to blame everyone else for your own issues.

You are speaking about someone else my friend.
As long as you make up other people, you will not progress, or gain real spiritual insight.

Why is it your answer to all those who talk about walking faithfully with the Lord is
they are works salvationists?

It appears you have learnt nothing about respect and understanding were people are
and how to empathise. You will never win friends and influence people by lying about
what they believe, and telling them they are not who they are. That is just provoking
conflict. God bless you, may you find His peace and love in your daily walk.

 

[UnderGrace]

Amen and amen!!

Therefore no one can boast

The gift is salvation, Jesus died for everyone, we receive the gift when we believe

If God bestows belief as a gift upon that person then they have the right to boast.

I see faith this way,

the gift is the word (faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word)
the gift is eternal life, (and I give them eternal life, and they will never perish)
The price was reconciliation (and has reconciled them both to God in one body through the cross) (reconciled all things to himself having made peace through the cross) and redemption (in him we have redemption through the blood)
the end result is justofication, the believer stands in front of God having been declaired in right standing, based on the redemption found in Christ Jesus

that is what God is offering , this is what God is drawing us to, this is the work of God, that God did to save us from and eternity separated from him,

we have a choice,

repent, and say yes lord, I want this (see tax collector, who fell to his knees and asked a god to atone for his sins, because he was unable to)

not repent, and be like the pagan, or Pharisee, who puffs himself up because he does not think he needs God, he is doing find on his own.

The one who repented did not earn salvation, he did not work for it, God did all the work for him, he just sad yes, where as the other person said no.

 

[TruthTalk]

Notice to this thread, Loveme1 is on my ignore list. Her post are frequently pointing critical fingers at someone and the proof text's she uses are not edifying to the body of Christ. Her theology is self-centered as is her screen name.

 

[preacher4truth]

Notice to this thread, Loveme1 is on my ignore list. Her post are frequently pointing critical fingers at someone and the proof text's she uses are not edifying to the body of Christ. Her theology is self-centered as is her screen name.

Unfortunately some earn that spot brother. I felt the same concerning the moniker myself, and, unfortunately had to do the same thing. I've found that if you put one on ignore, and remove them out of sympathy, or empathy, you'll just have to put them back there again.

 

[PeterJens]

Notice to thread, God loves you all, and we are commanded to love each other in the same way.

How a believer can say someone else is not a believer if they understand Christ allows people
to walk away.

Think a little. The prodigal son was blessed even though he wanted to leave the family.
Satan, though he is doomed is still questioned by God in Job.
Judas though he is going to betray Christ, is still allowed his part.

God did not say to the disciples you must believe, but if you believe you will be saved.
God honours our faith when shown.

So now the biggest evil is to believe God gives us freedom to love or hate, to walk in
the Spirit or the flesh.

For me if people knew this Lord they could never say a believer is an unbeliever, unless
they themselves do not know Him. Ironic, angels of light, yet with dark condemning news.

This is the cult of anti-legalism which they see everywhere and constantly write off believers
with no justification. Even today, no proper engagement, just empty comments.

This is not loving fellowship or anything helpfull, just an attempt at rejection, which is a blessing,
compared to pages of invented issues and non problems,

I once spent 2 weeks asking what eg meant, and he had nothing. Odd for such a powerhouse
of energy, except if it is just antagonism, lol. God bless you, May Jesus and the cross bring you
finally to a place of forgiveness for those people who upset you in the past.

I know in Christ I am saved, redeemed and purified. What is odd is when believers look at you
as the enemy though they have no reason to. It shows the mindset of rooting out evil deceivers
and not loving unless you know obvious sin is present. How do you think Jesus lived with the
disciples if this was not His way.

Do not let these heretics sow discord and slander over the glorious promises of victory we have
in faith. Praise the Lord, and serve Him. Be encourages of the strong and the weak, because
we are His body, one mind, one heart, one Spirit.

 

[PeterJens]

Critical theocracy

P4t is one of the most condemning people here, playing up for impact.
It is a joke to hear him criticizing others for being critical.

But that maybe all they have left. Denial and rejection. But this can be a blessing,
because if there is no engagement, it is just a show, not fellowship.

Unfortunately Waco city internet, many would say, what do you expect, little social
or empathetic skills needed. Lol.

 

[dcontroversal]

Your adding because you beleve we are saved by thse things, not that those things are a byproduct of salvation.

Teaching works and rihteoisness to a believe in discipleship is great

tellomg them they will lose salvation if they do not live up to a standard is wrong, and a false gospel.

The bible is clear.....David described accurately the an to who GOD IPUTES righteousness without the deeds of the LAW (WORKS)

MAN will never be made righteous by that which was designed to prove his GUILT......pure ignorance to believe that what is designed to prove GUILT can make one righteous.........

 

[dcontroversal]

Loveme1 your behavior is e one who needs a check, you think every time I say anything to you I am attacking you, that is not right, period,

The fact remains, you asked a question how People thought you were adding, I answered the question, going off what. Have seen you Write. Which s not against forum rules, and not an attack on you, just an honest opinion of what I see

either prove me wrong, which you could do easily by answering my question, or continue to be silent, which then I will have to continue to believe I am right, or put me on ignore because will will never Bible to discuss anything.

However, just know even if you have me on ignore, I will continue to post what I see, agree or disagree.

Again I state...Anyone who states salvation can be lost, or must be maintained, kept or embellished by works for salvation teaches a works based ideology.....end of story....ADD anything to the work of Christ and faith = a works based false gospel...end of story......

 

[dcontroversal]

This is why I have this person on ignore, and why I will put him right back there,

god reveals himself to our souls, everything about him, including his grace provision for our souls via the cross,

Whether we are savd or not depends on how we respond to this, I myself and everyone I know who are with me on the gospel of grace have shown Peter this, but he never seems to grasp it, like many of his partners, he will continue to slander and not listen to a word anyone says,


Once again, I will give Peter a gentle bit of advice, you can not have a reasonable conversation with people if you constantly, even after you have been told never understand what hey believe






Once again, Peter is not listening,

if your doing (work) to keep or maintain salvation, you are preaching works

if your responding out of faith, and as a result of being given or receiving salvation, you are responding in faith. And it is not works.

learn the difference, until you do, you will never see what others are saying.





1. No one says saying yes to the helecoptor who was sent t save you is works, so please, stop with the nonsense,
2. What we are saying is AFTER you were saved, you have to work, or the helicopter will take you back and put you in the sea to drown, (which is what peter himself espouses. Since he says salvation by the cross is. It enough, we must work to earn it)
3, disdain of EG? Another reason for all people to place peter on ignore. He yells and blaims EG for peters own misunderstanding of what grace people teach.

I am saddened that after months, with so many people trying to explain to Peter the same thing, he still does not get it.

AMEN...one who states clearly the cross is not enough and or the imputed righteousness of Christ is a neat little trick that does not work will never get it......ever..as long as they remain in unbelief and or denial concerning the work of Christ and the full scope of what it has accomplished.....

 

[PeterJens]

Some posts remind me of delusions and straw men.

Straw man, you believe by behaving like a believer you are one.
Odd because this is not what people believe.

So if you create a straw man and then burn it everyone reading is probably agreeing with you.
If ones goal is to prove others are evil because they believe something you do not, it is pointless.

I am reminded of a hamster on a wheel. They seem happy to spin and go nowhere, lol.
Nice entertainment, but nothing more. It helps me learn on other thing to admire, dedication
to a cause even if without merit.

If you get caught in quick sand God must have intended it else He would have stopped you,
unless you are free to be a fool and throw your life away.........This is the problem of no free will
and all is determined by God. Good and evil are no longer real, it is all a joke....

 

[dcontroversal]

Unfortunately some earn that spot brother. I felt the same concerning the moniker myself, and, unfortunately had to do the same thing. I've found that if you put one on ignore, and remove them out of sympathy, or empathy, you'll just have to put them back there again.

Totally agree...........I have been here 4.5 plus years and have only blocked three people and been pondering a few more....no matter what you post they will argue to spite even if you but post a scripture without any comment and or statement about what you believe concerning it.....crazy.....

 

[UnderGrace]

Very clear truth of the gospel!!!

When someone cannot be this clear then I know there is a problem

Again I state...Anyone who states salvation can be lost, or must be maintained, kept or embellished by works for salvation teaches a works based ideology.....end of story....ADD anything to the work of Christ and faith = a works based false gospel...end of story......

 

[PeterJens]

AMEN...one who states clearly the cross is not enough and or the imputed righteousness of Christ is a neat little trick that does not work will never get it......ever..as long as they remain in unbelief and or denial concerning the work of Christ and the full scope of what it has accomplished.....

Woe, that one is new, nope.

It's good to know it is all a farce, with the mighty failures wearing Jesus armour, destined for heaven
while lost in sin and rebellion, and the world though lost, is forgiven, but thrown into hell because
they did not read the bible enough....Ironic, one flash of faith as a kid, and they would have been ok.

This is all so confused, the Father of lies must be in involved. Considering the intentions, you get.

I mean how religious do you need to be to be saved? One altar call, a week in church,a year, a decade?
How much money given, or nice things said? I want to know, because boy hell is one place to avoid
and God is no joker, and all my sin needs to be worked through. But hey, you believe in just a few words,
job done. But these words? In public, or private, off the cuff or said with a gruff voice........

Joking apart, God demands my life, to die to self, to live to Christ.
Not surprising little comes out of these people who fake faith.

 

[PeterJens]

What is amazing is the numbers never change......
Like they are caught in a time warp.

But then without life and the Holy Spirit what would you expect.!!!!

 

[dcontroversal]

Woe, that one is new, nope.

It's good to know it is all a farce, with the mighty failures wearing Jesus armour, destined for heaven
while lost in sin and rebellion, and the world though lost, is forgiven, but thrown into hell because
they did not read the bible enough....Ironic, one flash of faith as a kid, and they would have been ok.

This is all so confused, the Father of lies must be in involved. Considering the intentions, you get.

I mean how religious do you need to be to be saved? One altar call, a week in church,a year, a decade?
How much money given, or nice things said? I want to know, because boy hell is one place to avoid
and God is no joker, and all my sin needs to be worked through. But hey, you believe in just a few words,
job done. But these words? In public, or private, off the cuff or said with a gruff voice........

Joking apart, God demands my life, to die to self, to live to Christ.
Not surprising little comes out of these people who fake faith.

You can twist all you want......you know full well you made both comments and even started a thread about it....man....Can you ever just stand up and own your own words and the simple fact that you were the one who stated both....?

 

[PeterJens]

dc - hope you are ok in Texas.

Are these hurricanes a blessing of a judgement? Where are the weather commanders to tame the
storms?

 

[dcontroversal]

dc - hope you are ok in Texas.

Are these hurricanes a blessing of a judgement? Where are the weather commanders to tame the
storms?

See...you have no idea....I do not live in Texas.....thanks anyway....

 

[PeterJens]

You can twist all you want......you know full well you made both comments and even started a thread about it....man....Can you ever just stand up and own your own words and the simple fact that you were the one who stated both....?

I never deny anything.
What I have never agreed with is believers not being judged for unrepented sin.

Faith is reconned as righteousness. The imputed righteousness argument is just hogwash.
Either you are cleansed and innocent or guilty and to be judged.

You love to lie about twisting stuff, but I do not. When will you grow up and just be honest.

You claim to know Jesus. I do not see it, just excuses.