Judaism Is The Seed Of Christianity

[DustyRhodes]

Christianity Is The Flower,


Many times in Christian chat and even here on this
forum, some try to insert Jewish laws and values
into the Christians realm. That will never work. It
really is not possible to be a Christian/Jew. You
can't pour new wine into old wineskins, scripture
says, or sew new patches on old cloth. That is to
say, it will never mix. Scripture also says that the
old law led to death. But Christ on the cross is what
changed everything. We are no longer under the
law but are lead by faith. The old law was the
guardian to lead us to Christ are sons and daughters
of God. I believe a Jewish person should be the best
Jew he can be. I believe that a Christian person
should be the best Christian they can be. It is best
to be one or the other cuz the two really collide. Am
I saying throw out the Old Testament, absolutely
not. The first six covenants let us to the seventh to
bring us Christ on the cross. The seed has germinated,
the flower flourishes. The seed dies so the flower can
live.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Christianity Is The Flower

I think I know what you are getting at, but it would be more accurate to say that the religion/relationship of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob -- the religion/relationship of the Hebrews -- was the seed.

On the other hand "Judaism" was the religion of the Pharisees, and is now the religion of unbelieving Jews. It is essentially a rejection of the Lord Jesus Christ as their Messiah. So in fact Judaism is the enemy of Christianity.

I believe a Jewish person should be the best

Jew he can be.

Making this recommendation to a Jew would be most unwise, since his eternal destination would be Hell. No, a Jewish person must read the New Testament (in Hebrew if necessary) repent of his unbelief, his sins, and his idols, and turn to the Lord Jesus Christ for salvation.

 

[unobtrusive]

Christianity Is The Flower,


Many times in Christian chat and even here on this
forum, some try to insert Jewish laws and values
into the Christians realm. That will never work. It
really is not possible to be a Christian/Jew. You
can't pour new wine into old wineskins, scripture
says, or sew new patches on old cloth. That is to
say, it will never mix. Scripture also says that the
old law led to death. But Christ on the cross is what
changed everything. We are no longer under the
law but are lead by faith. The old law was the
guardian to lead us to Christ are sons and daughters
of God. I believe a Jewish person should be the best
Jew he can be. I believe that a Christian person
should be the best Christian they can be. It is best
to be one or the other cuz the two really collide. Am
I saying throw out the Old Testament, absolutely
not. The first six covenants let us to the seventh to
bring us Christ on the cross. The seed has germinated,
the flower flourishes. The seed dies so the flower can
live.

Jesus said the the Sameritan woman... "You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews." (plural) (John 4:22)

Paul said "Then what advantage has the Jew? Or what is the benefit of circumcision? Great in every respect. First of all, that they were entrusted with the oracles of God." (Romans 3:1-2)

Then Paul makes it clear that.. "there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him; (Romans 10:12)

This all works together.. Amen!

 

[unobtrusive]

I think I know what you are getting at, but it would be more accurate to say that the religion/relationship of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob -- the religion/relationship of the Hebrews -- was the seed.

On the other hand "Judaism" was the religion of the Pharisees, and is now the religion of unbelieving Jews. It is essentially a rejection of the Lord Jesus Christ as their Messiah. So in fact Judaism is the enemy of Christianity.

Making this recommendation to a Jew would be most unwise, since his eternal destination would be Hell. No, a Jewish person must read the New Testament (in Hebrew if necessary) repent of his unbelief, his sins, and his idols, and turn to the Lord Jesus Christ for salvation.

You make some good points, but one must keep in mind that there is one change to the law, and that is transferring the priesthood from Levi to Judah. Jew is a slang, or short for Judean. Jews are definitely Israelites, but all Israelites (Hebrews) are not Jews of the tribe of Judah. Jesus is/was a Jew. The name Hebrew came from the language that Abraham spoke, but I know what you are saying, and I am not saying that to correct you in any way.

"It is you who are the sons of the prophets and of the covenant which God made with your fathers, saying to Abraham, ‘And in your seed all the families of the earth shall be blessed.’ (Acts 3:25)
Note in this verse that "seed" (נ.. son, heir, continue) is singular. There is only One Name by which we can be saved.

Judaism can be a term that relates to works without faith, being an entity that is from an unbelieving Pharisee, with rules and regulations minus faith in Christ Jesus.

 

[unobtrusive]

Judaism can be a term that relates to works without faith, being an entity that is from an unbelieving Pharisee, with rules and regulations minus faith in Christ Jesus.

This term (Judaism) is not exclusive to this quote. It should not be used as a blanket statement because it can inadvertently cause anti-Semitism which is not the will of the Truth. It is not a totally bad term despite the way many use it, including myself.

 

[garee]

Christianity Is The Flower,


Many times in Christian chat and even here on this
forum, some try to insert Jewish laws and values
into the Christians realm. That will never work. It
really is not possible to be a Christian/Jew. You
can't pour new wine into old wineskins, scripture
says, or sew new patches on old cloth. That is to
say, it will never mix. Scripture also says that the
old law led to death. But Christ on the cross is what
changed everything. We are no longer under the
law but are lead by faith. The old law was the
guardian to lead us to Christ are sons and daughters
of God. I believe a Jewish person should be the best
Jew he can be. I believe that a Christian person
should be the best Christian they can be. It is best
to be one or the other cuz the two really collide. Am
I saying throw out the Old Testament, absolutely
not. The first six covenants let us to the seventh to
bring us Christ on the cross. The seed has germinated,
the flower flourishes. The seed dies so the flower can
live.

The natural seeds (many flesh) die the spiritual seed (one )cannot die.The new one is raised spiritual nothing to do with the natural flesh of a outward Jew. (the natural many)

John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Its seed one in respect to Christ the spiritual seed needed to give eternal "spirit life" not after the flesh of Jew used in ceremonial a as shadows that point ahead to their fulfillment. Judaism who worship shadows will never replace the faith that comes for hearing Christ, the faith of God.

The one seed given to Christians as a inward Jews born again of the Spirit of Christ. Not born after the flesh of men . Again not seeds( plural)having to do with the flesh of any nation.

Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ....................not Abraham many.

 

[unobtrusive]

The natural seeds (many flesh) die the spirutl seed (one )cannot.The new one is raised spiritual nothing to do with the natural flesh of a outward Jew. (the natural many)

John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

its seed one in respect to Christ the spirutl seed needed to give eternal spirt life not after the flesh of jew used in ceremonial a as shadows that point ahead to their fulfillment. Judaism who worship shadows will never replace the faith that comes for hearing Christ, the faith of God. The one seed given to Christians as inward Jews born again of the Spirit of Christ. not born after the flesh of men . Again not seeds( plural)having to do with the flesh of any nation.

Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Good point!! I complement what you say with these verses.
"For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God." (Romans 2:28-29)

The law says...
"Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked. And the Lord thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live." (Deuteronomy 10:16, and 30:6)

 

[MarcR]

Christianity Is The Flower,


Many times in Christian chat and even here on this
forum, some try to insert Jewish laws and values
into the Christians realm. That will never work. It
really is not possible to be a Christian/Jew. You
can't pour new wine into old wineskins, scripture
says, or sew new patches on old cloth. That is to
say, it will never mix. Scripture also says that the
old law led to death. But Christ on the cross is what
changed everything. We are no longer under the
law but are lead by faith. The old law was the
guardian to lead us to Christ are sons and daughters
of God. I believe a Jewish person should be the best
Jew he can be. I believe that a Christian person
should be the best Christian they can be. It is best
to be one or the other cuz the two really collide. Am
I saying throw out the Old Testament, absolutely
not. The first six covenants let us to the seventh to
bring us Christ on the cross. The seed has germinated,
the flower flourishes. The seed dies so the flower can
live.

I am a Christian Jew; but not a legalist.

My comments seem to be quite well received here . All the apostles and most of the first century church were Christian Jews. You might want to rethink your remark .

 

[OneFaith]

Christianity Is The Flower,


Many times in Christian chat and even here on this
forum, some try to insert Jewish laws and values
into the Christians realm. That will never work. It
really is not possible to be a Christian/Jew. You
can't pour new wine into old wineskins, scripture
says, or sew new patches on old cloth. That is to
say, it will never mix. Scripture also says that the
old law led to death. But Christ on the cross is what
changed everything. We are no longer under the
law but are lead by faith. The old law was the
guardian to lead us to Christ are sons and daughters
of God. I believe a Jewish person should be the best
Jew he can be. I believe that a Christian person
should be the best Christian they can be. It is best
to be one or the other cuz the two really collide. Am
I saying throw out the Old Testament, absolutely
not. The first six covenants let us to the seventh to
bring us Christ on the cross. The seed has germinated,
the flower flourishes. The seed dies so the flower can
live.

You stated a lot of good, but a Jew today should not be a Jew religiously. Christ has all authority over God's people today. Today, if you are not under Christ's authority, you are not God's people. "Anyone who says Christ did not come in the flesh is not from God." But good job, we did come from Jewish law, until God switched from a physical covenant to a spiritual covenant. Today we are Jews spiritually, and no one can be a Jew by only physicality, and be God's people.

 

[jaybird88]

i always thought is was so strange that in the days of Jesus and the 12 they were a Jewish sect and crowds of Jews followed them everywhere. when the pharisees plotted to kill Jesus they had to plot in secret because of the crowds. when James was killed the city rioted. thats how big an influence Jesus was on the Jews, they loved Him. but then fast forward a few hundred years to roman Christianity, now Jews are the enemy and there are two religions with a barrier between them. when did that happen? how did that happen? not only that but now Jews want nothing to do with the faith. before rome we have crowds of followers, after rome Jews wont touch it with a 10' pole.
i always wondered what happened to drive the Jews away.

 

[MarcR]

Christianity Is The Flower,


Many times in Christian chat and even here on this
forum, some try to insert Jewish laws and values
into the Christians realm. That will never work. It
really is not possible to be a Christian/Jew. You
can't pour new wine into old wineskins, scripture
says, or sew new patches on old cloth. That is to
say, it will never mix. Scripture also says that the
old law led to death. But Christ on the cross is what
changed everything. We are no longer under the
law but are lead by faith. The old law was the
guardian to lead us to Christ are sons and daughters
of God. I believe a Jewish person should be the best
Jew he can be. I believe that a Christian person
should be the best Christian they can be. It is best
to be one or the other cuz the two really collide. Am
I saying throw out the Old Testament, absolutely
not. The first six covenants let us to the seventh to
bring us Christ on the cross. The seed has germinated,
the flower flourishes. The seed dies so the flower can
live.

It seems to me that those who attempt to impose Jewish law on the gentile church are not Jewish.

There is a movement called Hebrew roots in which gentile believers are trying to place themselves back under the Law without understanding the Law. I think they are the ones you refer to as Christian Jews. Other than the fact that it is a total misnomer, I agree with you.

 

[Magenta]

i always thought is was so strange that in the days of Jesus and the 12 they were a Jewish sect and crowds of Jews followed them everywhere. when the pharisees plotted to kill Jesus they had to plot in secret because of the crowds. when James was killed the city rioted. thats how big an influence Jesus was on the Jews, they loved Him. but then fast forward a few hundred years to roman Christianity, now Jews are the enemy and there are two religions with a barrier between them. when did that happen? how did that happen? not only that but now Jews want nothing to do with the faith. before rome we have crowds of followers, after rome Jews wont touch it with a 10' pole.
i always wondered what happened to drive the Jews away.

"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to
the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword."

The words of Jesus Christ recorded in Matthew 10:34

 

[OneFaith]

i always thought is was so strange that in the days of Jesus and the 12 they were a Jewish sect and crowds of Jews followed them everywhere. when the pharisees plotted to kill Jesus they had to plot in secret because of the crowds. when James was killed the city rioted. thats how big an influence Jesus was on the Jews, they loved Him. but then fast forward a few hundred years to roman Christianity, now Jews are the enemy and there are two religions with a barrier between them. when did that happen? how did that happen? not only that but now Jews want nothing to do with the faith. before rome we have crowds of followers, after rome Jews wont touch it with a 10' pole.
i always wondered what happened to drive the Jews away.

Your answer is found in John chapter one- not in Roman Christianity. Jesus came to His own people, but His own people would not accept Him. Therefore He switches to adoption (whosoever will). This started taking place after the cross, after Christ purchased His church with His own blood, and established the way into it through baptism. Peter was the first one to use the keys by which we must enter the kingdom (the church). The keys being repent and be baptized. (Acts 2:38).

 

[jaybird88]

"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to
the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword."

The words of Jesus Christ recorded in Matthew 10:34

the sword was brought against Jesus and the 12 and rome was the one wielding the sword. rome adopts Christianity and now you have roman Christians bringing the sword to everyone. rome doesnt seem to change, before Jesus, after Jesus they are always persecuting people.

 

[jaybird88]

Your answer is found in John chapter one- not in Roman Christianity. Jesus came to His own people, but His own people would not accept Him.

who were those crowds of people that followed Jesus everywhere that the bible talks about? crowds so big the pharisees feared them.

 

[unobtrusive]

i always thought is was so strange that in the days of Jesus and the 12 they were a Jewish sect and crowds of Jews followed them everywhere. when the pharisees plotted to kill Jesus they had to plot in secret because of the crowds. when James was killed the city rioted. thats how big an influence Jesus was on the Jews, they loved Him. but then fast forward a few hundred years to roman Christianity, now Jews are the enemy and there are two religions with a barrier between them. when did that happen? how did that happen? not only that but now Jews want nothing to do with the faith. before rome we have crowds of followers, after rome Jews wont touch it with a 10' pole.
i always wondered what happened to drive the Jews away.

Most Pharisees didn't want Jesus to be the Messiah. Even at the beginning, neither did Saul, later being Paul. Peter set the stage with Cornelius, because what God made clean was clean. In prophecy, there is one stick in God's hand, one of Ephraim (Gentiles) and one of Judah, Jews. Israel has become alienated against Jews, and Jews against the house of Israel, (Gentiles), because Israel is spread worldwide as of today. Catholics want Jews to renounce their heritage in order to be part of a Gentile church, and unbelieving Jews, who resist Jesus Christ, still resist Gentiles into their religion according to their rules that really aren't in the Torah. This is a tactic of Satan. It started with Jewish Pharisaical practices, and was culminated by the Gentile church. I wonder how many professing Christians today are anti-Semitic, and have no idea that they are still following traditions of Catholic doctrine concerning the Jews. Why do you think that most evangelicals want the scripture of the New Testament to say that Christ abolished the law instead of our traditional sins of self righteousness? Christ abolished these said traditions. It's too bad that we still cannot comprehend the plan of salvation that was offered to whoever might believe the real Truth.

 

[Nehemiah6]

but then fast forward a few hundred years to roman Christianity, now Jews are the enemy and there are two religions with a barrier between them. when did that happen? how did that happen? not only that but now Jews want nothing to do with the faith. before rome we have crowds of followers, after rome Jews wont touch it with a 10' pole.
i always wondered what happened to drive the Jews away.

You seem to be giving Rome too much credit for the divide between Christians and Jews. Ideally all Jews -- all of Israel -- should have become Christian, since Messiah came to Israel. Instead the majority of Jews rejected Christ and persecuted Christians. Nonetheless, in all of Paul's missionary journeys, he made it a habit to visit every Jewish synagogue in the Roman empire and preach the Gospel. It was his heart's desire that all Israel should be saved. But that was not to be. The religious leaders of Israel chose to reject salvation by grace through faith and turned to salvation by works of righteousness devoid of the weightier matters of the Law. In the end God brought about the destruction of the temple, Jerusalem, Judea, and the Jews through the Romans, and they were dispersed to the four corners of the earth.

Later, when the Catholic Church became the dominant force in Europe, they tried to compel Jews to become Christians under penalty of death or torture. That is probably another reason for the animosity between Christians and Jews. Then we have the rise of anti-Semitism in Europe, followed by the Holocaust, followed by the hatred of the Muslim and Arab world against Jews with Europe supporting the Palestinians. We should also keep in mind all the evil Jews who sided with the Nazis against their own people -- men such as George Soros -- who is now committed to creating anarchy worldwide. And then we have a cabal of extremely wealthy godless Jews manipulating world events behind the scenes to keep the pot boiling.

 

[unobtrusive]

Your answer is found in John chapter one- not in Roman Christianity. Jesus came to His own people, but His own people would not accept Him. Therefore He switches to adoption (whosoever will). This started taking place after the cross, after Christ purchased His church with His own blood, and established the way into it through baptism. Peter was the first one to use the keys by which we must enter the kingdom (the church). The keys being repent and be baptized. (Acts 2:38).

Most of Jesus' teaching was north of Judea, to the house of Israel. Jesus even went into Gentile communities. Remember legion and the pigs?

 

[unobtrusive]

You seem to be giving Rome too much credit for the divide between Christians and Jews. Ideally all Jews -- all of Israel -- should have become Christian, since Messiah came to Israel. Instead the majority of Jews rejected Christ and persecuted Christians. Nonetheless, in all of Paul's missionary journeys, he made it a habit to visit every Jewish synagogue in the Roman empire and preach the Gospel. It was his heart's desire that all Israel should be saved. But that was not to be. The religious leaders of Israel chose to reject salvation by grace through faith and turned to salvation by works of righteousness devoid of the weightier matters of the Law. In the end God brought about the destruction of the temple, Jerusalem, Judea, and the Jews through the Romans, and they were dispersed to the four corners of the earth.

Later, when the Catholic Church became the dominant force in Europe, they tried to compel Jews to become Christians under penalty of death or torture. That is probably another reason for the animosity between Christians and Jews. Then we have the rise of anti-Semitism in Europe, followed by the Holocaust, followed by the hatred of the Muslim and Arab world against Jews with Europe supporting the Palestinians. We should also keep in mind all the evil Jews who sided with the Nazis against their own people -- men such as George Soros -- who is now committed to creating anarchy worldwide. And then we have a cabal of extremely wealthy godless Jews manipulating world events behind the scenes to keep the pot boiling.

Right on, or dead on, whatever one prefers. Good explanation!!

 

[garee]

i always thought is was so strange that in the days of Jesus and the 12 they were a Jewish sect and crowds of Jews followed them everywhere. when the pharisees plotted to kill Jesus they had to plot in secret because of the crowds.
Twelves is the number used to represent that authority of God as to whatever is in view .

when James was killed the city rioted. thats how big an influence Jesus was on the Jews, they loved Him. but then fast forward a few hundred years to roman Christianity, now Jews are the enemy and there are two religions with a barrier between them. when did that happen? how did that happen? not only that but now Jews want nothing to do with the faith. before rome we have crowds of followers, after rome Jews wont touch it with a 10' pole.
i always wondered what happened to drive the Jews awa

The Jews were looking for a fleshly Jesus/God to come and destroy the Gentiles. The Catholic have that flesh mediator called a daysman (Pope) They call a apostolic succession of men that they must put above that which is written in order to make the faith of God without effect. .
T
he Roman Catholics followed the pattern of Judaism called a “law of the fathers” (out of sight out of mind.. kill the outward perceived enemy) a false zeal fof knowing God. It too was reformed by... all things written in the law and the prophets (sola scriptura) Just as Judaism was reformed during the first century reformation by the same final authority in spiritual matters .
The think not warning to those who practiced Judaism applies the Roman Catholics a mirror images. Replacing the name Abraham with that of Peter. One is our spirutl father in heaven caaling men on earth father usurps the authority of our father in heaven

In respect to the apostate Jews

And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. Matthew 3:9 KJ King James
In respect to the apostate Christians...

And think not to say within yourselves, We have Peter to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Peter. Matthew 3:9 TP The Pope