Bad leaven? ... Good leaven? ... Our chioce?

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Leaven (yeast) gives increase. Evidently “bread” refers to “doctrine.” *How does this all fit into one concept? Or does it?

“How is it that ye do not understand that I spake it not to you concerning bread, that ye should beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees? Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.” (Matthew 16:11-12)

“Ye shall eat nothing leavened; in all your habitations shall ye eat unleavened bread.” (Exodus 12:20)

In the above verses, leaven is bad, and in the following verses leaven is good.

“Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.” (Matthew 13:33)

“And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete: Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the Lord. Ye shall bring out of your habitations two wave loaves of two tenth deals; they shall be of fine flour; they shall be baken with leaven; they are the firstfruits unto the Lord.” (Leviticus 23:15-17...referring to Pentecost)

Then Paul introduces that leaven is again bad stuff, referring to the Feast of Unleavened Bread."

“Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump? Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump (bread), as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:” (1 Corinthians 5:6-7)

Paul seems to say old bread is leavened, and new bread is unleavened, but then Passover is old and unleavened, and the kingdom of God is with leaven.

*How does this all fit into one concept..."For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus."? (1 Timothy 2:5)

 

[OneFaith]

Leaven (yeast) gives increase. Evidently “bread” refers to “doctrine.” *How does this all fit into one concept? Or does it?

“How is it that ye do not understand that I spake it not to you concerning bread, that ye should beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees? Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.” (Matthew 16:11-12)

“Ye shall eat nothing leavened; in all your habitations shall ye eat unleavened bread.” (Exodus 12:20)

In the above verses, leaven is bad, and in the following verses leaven is good.

“Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.” (Matthew 13:33)

“And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete: Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the Lord. Ye shall bring out of your habitations two wave loaves of two tenth deals; they shall be of fine flour; they shall be baken with leaven; they are the firstfruits unto the Lord.” (Leviticus 23:15-17...referring to Pentecost)

Then Paul introduces that leaven is again bad stuff, referring to the Feast of Unleavened Bread."

“Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump? Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump (bread), as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:” (1 Corinthians 5:6-7)

Paul seems to say old bread is leavened, and new bread is unleavened, but then Passover is old and unleavened, and the kingdom of God is with leaven.

*How does this all fit into one concept..."For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus."? (1 Timothy 2:5)

Just because God uses a physical thing as an example, does not mean there is something wrong with that physical thing. For example, He used a lion to describe Jesus, and also a lion to describe Satan. Doesn't mean lions are good or bad- their just lions. Yeast has also represented both good and bad in the Bible. What matters is the point God is trying to make in each scripture's context.

 

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Just because God uses a physical thing as an example, does not mean there is something wrong with that physical thing. For example, He used a lion to describe Jesus, and also a lion to describe Satan. Doesn't mean lions are good or bad- their just lions. Yeast has also represented both good and bad in the Bible. What matters is the point God is trying to make in each scripture's context.

Yeast (leaven) causes fermentation, and vinegar creates yeast (leaven).
Question.
Why do you think that Jesus refused vinegar mixed with gall at the outset of His crucifixion, and when it was done after 6 hours, He drank it. What is this spiritual significance to you?

 

[IamWhoIam]

Yeast (leaven) causes fermentation, and vinegar creates yeast (leaven).
Question.
Why do you think that Jesus refused vinegar mixed with gall at the outset of His crucifixion, and when it was done after 6 hours, He drank it. What is this spiritual significance to you?

Gall is poison, it would have quickened the death, Jesus would have nothing to do with quickening His own death, the gall was offered by the soldiers when Jesus was nailed to the cross, but Jesus would not drink it.

At the ninth hour just before death, Jesus took a drink of wine and vinager to forfill what was written in the OT.

 

[unobtrusive]

Gall is poison, it would have quickened the death, Jesus would have nothing to do with quickening His own death, the gall was offered by the soldiers when Jesus was nailed to the cross, but Jesus would not drink it.

At the ninth hour just before death, Jesus took a drink of wine and vinager to forfill what was written in the OT.

Was it then predetermined (before creation) that Jesus was to suffer for 6 hours because that was the times that the High Priest burned incense, and the 2 lambs during that time also? I speak of daily offerings of the Levitical priesthood burning incense at 9 in the morning and 3 in the afternoon with the 2 lambs, also being at the same times.

 

[OneFaith]

Yeast (leaven) causes fermentation, and vinegar creates yeast (leaven).
Question.
Why do you think that Jesus refused vinegar mixed with gall at the outset of His crucifixion, and when it was done after 6 hours, He drank it. What is this spiritual significance to you?

Anything mixed with crushed raw seagulls would be disgusting. But imagine you are thirsty and one person offered you a tall glass of water, and another person offered you a tall glass of vinegar- which would you choose? They were mocking Him and being as cruel as possible with even the drink.

 

[IamWhoIam]

Was it then predetermined (before creation) that Jesus was to suffer for 6 hours because that was the times that the High Priest burned incense, and the 2 lambs during that time also? I speak of daily offerings of the Levitical priesthood burning incense at 9 in the morning and 3 in the afternoon with the 2 lambs, also being at the same times.

Yes God knows everything between the beginning and the end,

did God know some of the elect would rebel against God?

 

[MarcR]

Most of the figurative language used in the Bible (both OT and NT) comes from Hebrew Idiom.

Leaven is used figuratively in 3 ways:

1) Leaven is a figure of sin. This is the most common and colors both the others.

2) leaven is a figure of pride. Still sin but more specific.

3) leaven is a figure of false doctrine. Still sin but specifically leading others astray.

I believe that the specific false doctrine Jesus was warning against was legalism.

 

[IamWhoIam]

Most of the figurative language used in the Bible (both OT and NT) comes from Hebrew Idiom.

Leaven is used figuratively in 3 ways:

1) Leaven is a figure of sin. This is the most common and colors both the others.

2) leaven is a figure of pride. Still sin but more specific.

3) leaven is a figure of false doctrine. Still sin but specifically leading others astray.

I believe that the specific false doctrine Jesus was warning against was legalism.

Are there are other examples in scripture that says the word meaning for Leaven is used to represent good Leaven?

 

[Dino246]

Yeast (leaven) causes fermentation, and vinegar creates yeast (leaven).
Question.
Why do you think that Jesus refused vinegar mixed with gall at the outset of His crucifixion, and when it was done after 6 hours, He drank it. What is this spiritual significance to you?

I don't have time right now to confirm references, but I believe that gall was used as a painkiller. If that was the intent, that would be reason enough for Jesus to reject it. Also, I don't believe the text mentions gall when He did accept a drink.

 

[IamWhoIam]

I don't have time right now to confirm references, but I believe that gall was used as a painkiller. If that was the intent, that would be reason enough for Jesus to reject it. Also, I don't believe the text mentions gall when He did accept a drink.

It is used for painkilling and it's a poison as well, when Jesus tasted the bitterness of it He knew it was more than just for a painkiller. the English word for gall is chole in Greek which literally means poison. All the Old Testament verses that use this word (Lamentations 3:5, 3:19, Jeremiah 8:14, 9:15, 23:15 and so on) have a common definition of something that taste bitter and is many times poisonous. poisons are bitter and acids are sour, Jesus refused this drink knowing that it's bitter taste meant it was more of a poison than a painkiller. A mixture of wine and gall was commonly given to criminals before execution in order to ease some of their suffering, Jesus did not want to die from poisoning or have his senses numbed while on the cross. he knew that He had to shed his blood in order for Him to become the supreme sacrifice for the sins of all man, and He refused to take the easy way out of it.

 

[IamWhoIam]

Are there are other examples in scripture that says the word meaning for Leaven is used to represent good Leaven?

Arrg sorry never mind the OP already posted those good leaven.

 

[unobtrusive]

Most of the figurative language used in the Bible (both OT and NT) comes from Hebrew Idiom.

Leaven is used figuratively in 3 ways:

1) Leaven is a figure of sin. This is the most common and colors both the others.

2) leaven is a figure of pride. Still sin but more specific.

3) leaven is a figure of false doctrine. Still sin but specifically leading others astray.

I believe that the specific false doctrine Jesus was warning against was legalism.

Doesn't their have to at least be a 4th? Obviously their is leaven that is endorsed as good leaven by God.

From the OP

“Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.” (Matthew 13:33)

“And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete: Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the Lord. Ye shall bring out of your habitations two wave loaves of two tenth deals; they shall be of fine flour; they shall be baken with leaven; they are the firstfruits unto the Lord.” (Leviticus 23:15-17...referring to Pentecost)

"And thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, of the firstfruits of wheat harvest," (Exodus 34:22a)

"But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming." (1 Corinthians 15:23)

"Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures." (James 1:18)

There seems to be a relationship between good leaven, firstfruits, and Pentecost, Pentecost being on the same day that the first set of tables were written on stone. That's good stuff, right?

 

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Arrg sorry never mind the OP already posted those good leaven.

Not a problem at all. see previous post. this one

I like what I see in your heart, so far.

 

[IamWhoIam]

Not a problem at all. see previous post. this one

I like what I see in your heart, so far.

Thank you and I'm humbled at what you said and I do as well feel the same about you.

 

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Yes God knows everything between the beginning and the end,

did God know some of the elect would rebel against God?

Yes, he did, and He knew why. In my estimation, the main reason the elect, under the rule of Pharisaical traditions, rebelled against Jesus is because they wanted a Saviour according to their own expectations. Judas Iscariot was one of them who might have been trying to force the hand of Jesus by his betrayal.Those expectations were that their Saviour would release them from the Roman authorities, and Israel would once again be like in the days of Solomon. If they would have seen the "spiritual" rather than the physical, it would have been very different. Today, many only see the physical, particularly in the law (Torah) and want nothing to do with its spiritual implications. Phariseeism continues, for the most part. That's Satan's subtle devises IMO. While we are accusing rightly the Pharisees, ironically some are basically doing the same thing.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Leaven (yeast) gives increase. Evidently “bread” refers to “doctrine.” *How does this all fit into one concept? Or does it?

Leaven = corruption, sin, evil, false doctrine, malice, wickedness.

 

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Leaven = corruption, sin, evil, false doctrine, malice, wickedness.

Is that all? What about "firstfruits" and "Pentecost?"

 

[Nehemiah6]

Is that all? What about "firstfruits" and "Pentecost?"

The leavened loaves offered here were simply an expression of gratitude for their daily food, which was leavened. But otherwise, leaven symbolizes corruption and evil.

Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump? Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. (1 Cor 5:6-8)

 

[gdyloves]

Leaven (yeast) gives increase. Evidently “bread” refers to “doctrine.” *How does this all fit into one concept? Or does it?

“How is it that ye do not understand that I spake it not to you concerning bread, that ye should beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees? Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.” (Matthew 16:11-12)

“Ye shall eat nothing leavened; in all your habitations shall ye eat unleavened bread.” (Exodus 12:20)

In the above verses, leaven is bad, and in the following verses leaven is good.

“Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.” (Matthew 13:33)

“And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete: Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the Lord. Ye shall bring out of your habitations two wave loaves of two tenth deals; they shall be of fine flour; they shall be baken with leaven; they are the firstfruits unto the Lord.” (Leviticus 23:15-17...referring to Pentecost)

Then Paul introduces that leaven is again bad stuff, referring to the Feast of Unleavened Bread."

“Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump? Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump (bread), as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:” (1 Corinthians 5:6-7)

Paul seems to say old bread is leavened, and new bread is unleavened, but then Passover is old and unleavened, and the kingdom of God is with leaven.

*How does this all fit into one concept..."For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus."? (1 Timothy 2:5)

What is the bread of life? The word of God.

Who is the word of God? JESUS.



What it's the difference between leavened bread and unleavened bread?

When bread rises it's leavened bread, If the bread does not rise then u got yourself unleavened bread.


Exodus 12:8
Seven days you shall eat unleavened bread. On the first day you shall remove leaven out of your houses, for if anyone eats what is leavened, from the first day until
the seventh day, that person shall be cut off from Israel.

Interesting