Not By Works
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YOU are the one who said "as saints we still sin sometimes." You also said that we are not sinful in Christ. Then I asked YOU how we can still be saints and sin, if we aren't sinful in Christ. And you didn't provide an answer. So I'll ask again: HOW are we saints who sin sometimes, if we are NOT sinful in Christ? As to who on this thread pushes works for salvation, read several of Fran's posts. She said several times we MUST do works to keep salvation. In fact, she asked hundreds of times WHAT works we had to do to keep saved. But she also stated that she doesn't believe in eternal life, so all the works she does won't help her anyway..
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Best not to, it will drive you nuts 
it's hard to sneak in some biblical truth here
it's all one big personal grudge match
people do not seem able to understand that Christians can have a problem with sin and still be righteous in God's eyes BECAUSE they are in need of help...as per your post
they will argue that we are sinners and yet that is not scriptural
of course, there is always the Bible, but that does take some effort
I survived the Vietnam war, US Army 1970-71, 4th Infantry Div. 4/42, Airmobile unit. You cannot tell me the providence of God did not put me at the right place at the right time so that I was not wounded or killed, I moved, the enemy missed their target, all God's doing not mine. Just as God saves every believer from eternal punishment it is all God's work not ours.
Today I have stage 4 prostate cancer caused by Agent Orange from the Vietnam war. My wife and I and our Church prayed that God would lead me to and be with me through the best treatments possible, and He has praise God! You give to much credit to "your personal faith", to move mountains. I attribute my safe return home and care for proper cancer treatments to my God and Savior, all the way period. God bless the men and women who did not return home from the war because they gave their everything so that the rest of us could return home.
God is Omni-present and Omniscient, powerful to save, we should not forget the attributes of God. I find your gospel to be self-serving, and not giving God the praise He deserves, but as the saying goes, "have it your way"
Today I have stage 4 prostate cancer caused by Agent Orange from the Vietnam war. My wife and I and our Church prayed that God would lead me to and be with me through the best treatments possible, and He has praise God! You give to much credit to "your personal faith", to move mountains. I attribute my safe return home and care for proper cancer treatments to my God and Savior, all the way period. God bless the men and women who did not return home from the war because they gave their everything so that the rest of us could return home.
God is Omni-present and Omniscient, powerful to save, we should not forget the attributes of God. I find your gospel to be self-serving, and not giving God the praise He deserves, but as the saying goes, "have it your way"
You misunderstood. By virgin birth, I meant, there is no sinner's blood in Jesus.
That's an impossibility for us at the physical level.
Now, you bring a good point. God sent us the Holy Spirit. He did so after Jesus has already redeemed us from our bodies of death. Romans 7:24
The point of my post was, in response to PeterJens, rather than imitating Christ (at the outer level), we are to be in Christ letting Him do the work through us. Apart from Him and His saving us, we're nothing.
That's an impossibility for us at the physical level.
Now, you bring a good point. God sent us the Holy Spirit. He did so after Jesus has already redeemed us from our bodies of death. Romans 7:24
The point of my post was, in response to PeterJens, rather than imitating Christ (at the outer level), we are to be in Christ letting Him do the work through us. Apart from Him and His saving us, we're nothing.
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I think it's insulting too
I guess some of the truth you may try to get across, the truth you believe in, just comes with insults
is that true?
is insulting and mocking somehow bringing unity here?
I thought scripture said we should be careful how we represent the gospel and not to offend people
or is that just a suggestion in the Bible?
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how does Jesus do the work through us?
what work do you mean?
did you know that the word imitate is actually used in scripture? maybe Jens knew what he was talking about?
he may have been using a translation that uses the word imitate, as below for example:
American Standard Version
Be ye therefore imitators of God, as beloved children;
King James Bible
Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;
Darby Bible Translation
Be ye therefore imitators of God, as beloved children,
World English Bible
Be therefore imitators of God, as beloved children.
