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It is amazing how Good Christian Music can lift one's spirit, when you are emotionally down. I find Jewish Christian Music, a very special blessing. I was introduced to that kind of music about 25 years ago, via a tape by a group called Israel's Hope.
I will give you something to try. Watch some Christian Videos just before you turn the light off and go to sleep. When I do that my human spirit wakes up before my physical body does, and my human spirit is singing one of those songs from the night before. WHAT A WAY TO START OFF THE DAY!
Here is one of the song's from the that original Tapes by Israel's Hope. In fact Paul Wilbur was one of the original members of Israel's Hope. I will attach a link to one of his Concerts too.
[video=youtube;mhB-0Ro6Uqc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhB-0Ro6Uqc[/video]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtSuVXjcjC0
What has God done for us? What debt do we owe to Him?
Let that sink in a little. God did everything He could to show us the way.
Now listen to what some say.
Rest. It is an insult to do anything. Sin and failure is innate so ignore it and
think nice thoughts about yourself and you are safe. Do not work through sin
or feel sorrow, just rejoice. Do not listen to Christ, he was just being sarcastic.
But Christ says, listen, follow and obey. We owe it to Christ, and as you grow
it will become your heart. Do you see the difference.
One is honouring our Lord and King, the other is sinning against His name.
There is no hope walking down that road, but apparent spiritual authority will
appear with much venom and spite. Any excuse, any provocation will be
dreamt up with no holds barred.
Let that sink in a little. God did everything He could to show us the way.
Now listen to what some say.
Rest. It is an insult to do anything. Sin and failure is innate so ignore it and
think nice thoughts about yourself and you are safe. Do not work through sin
or feel sorrow, just rejoice. Do not listen to Christ, he was just being sarcastic.
But Christ says, listen, follow and obey. We owe it to Christ, and as you grow
it will become your heart. Do you see the difference.
One is honouring our Lord and King, the other is sinning against His name.
There is no hope walking down that road, but apparent spiritual authority will
appear with much venom and spite. Any excuse, any provocation will be
dreamt up with no holds barred.
Your words PHart;That's why we must continue to trust in that sacrifice. "We lose" it's one-time for all time power to make perfect "if we stop trusting in it."
Where's your proof, bible verse please, this is clearly a false gospel and it will not save you.
But the bible clearly say's;
"For by one sacrifice he has "made perfect forever" those who are being made holy."Heb10:14
Jesus sacrifice was, "made perfect forever", and Phart say's no no we can lose this sacrifice if we stop trusting. It is interesting to note that you have gone from; "not believing to not trusting, that you can lose your salvation, are you having pity on us who fully believe in the finished work of Jesus and put no faith in our works to keep us saved. Your gospel will lead people into a ditch.
Following your false conclusion's, Grace plus alway's trusting, if I go through a time of not trusting God, lets say like Jonah did, does that mean I am no longer saved. Your gospel is DOA. Surrender to God and He will save you permanently, even if you are having a lack of trust issue, God understands every heart.
I just read a post about someone saying if you buy a new car won't you do maintenance and care for the car. Our faith is a gift of God and, "it will not rust like a metal car;" mechanical things will always break down because of friction and wear and tear no matter how much you maintain them, it will eventually rust and return to the earth. This is earthy wisdom and cannot be compared to biblical faith. There is not the bright light of "Jesus our Salvation", in this earthly wisdom and will never save your soul.
Where's your proof, bible verse please, this is clearly a false gospel and it will not save you.
But the bible clearly say's;
"For by one sacrifice he has "made perfect forever" those who are being made holy."Heb10:14
Jesus sacrifice was, "made perfect forever", and Phart say's no no we can lose this sacrifice if we stop trusting. It is interesting to note that you have gone from; "not believing to not trusting, that you can lose your salvation, are you having pity on us who fully believe in the finished work of Jesus and put no faith in our works to keep us saved. Your gospel will lead people into a ditch.
Following your false conclusion's, Grace plus alway's trusting, if I go through a time of not trusting God, lets say like Jonah did, does that mean I am no longer saved. Your gospel is DOA. Surrender to God and He will save you permanently, even if you are having a lack of trust issue, God understands every heart.
I just read a post about someone saying if you buy a new car won't you do maintenance and care for the car. Our faith is a gift of God and, "it will not rust like a metal car;" mechanical things will always break down because of friction and wear and tear no matter how much you maintain them, it will eventually rust and return to the earth. This is earthy wisdom and cannot be compared to biblical faith. There is not the bright light of "Jesus our Salvation", in this earthly wisdom and will never save your soul.
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Ephesians 5:17-20 (ASV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Wherefore be ye not foolish, but understand what the will of the Lord is.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] And be not drunken with wine, wherein is riot, but be filled with the Spirit;
[SUP]19 [/SUP] speaking one to another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody with your heart to the Lord;
[SUP]20 [/SUP] giving thanks always for all things in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ to God, even the Father;
2 Samuel 22:50-51 (CSBBible)
[SUP]50[/SUP] Therefore I will give thanks to you among the nations, LORD; I will sing praises about your name.
[SUP]51[/SUP] He is a tower of salvation for his king; he shows loyalty to his anointed,
to David and his descendants forever.
Psalm 9:11 (HCSB)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Sing to the LORD, who dwells in Zion; proclaim His deeds among the nations.
Psalm 71:22-23 (HCSB)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] Therefore, I will praise You with a harp for Your faithfulness, my God; I will sing to You with a lyre, Holy One of Israel.
[SUP]23 [/SUP] My lips will shout for joy when I sing praise to You because You have redeemed me.
Romans 15:11-13 (NCV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Again the Scripture says, “All you who are not Jews, praise the Lord. All you people, sing praises to him.“
[SUP]12 [/SUP] And Isaiah says, “A new king will come from the family of Jesse. He will come to rule over the non-Jewish people, and they will have hope because of him.“
[SUP]13 [/SUP] I pray that the God who gives hope will fill you with much joy and peace while you trust in him. Then your hope will overflow by the power of the Holy Spirit.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Wherefore be ye not foolish, but understand what the will of the Lord is.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] And be not drunken with wine, wherein is riot, but be filled with the Spirit;
[SUP]19 [/SUP] speaking one to another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody with your heart to the Lord;
[SUP]20 [/SUP] giving thanks always for all things in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ to God, even the Father;
2 Samuel 22:50-51 (CSBBible)
[SUP]50[/SUP] Therefore I will give thanks to you among the nations, LORD; I will sing praises about your name.
[SUP]51[/SUP] He is a tower of salvation for his king; he shows loyalty to his anointed,
to David and his descendants forever.
Psalm 9:11 (HCSB)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Sing to the LORD, who dwells in Zion; proclaim His deeds among the nations.
Psalm 71:22-23 (HCSB)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] Therefore, I will praise You with a harp for Your faithfulness, my God; I will sing to You with a lyre, Holy One of Israel.
[SUP]23 [/SUP] My lips will shout for joy when I sing praise to You because You have redeemed me.
Romans 15:11-13 (NCV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Again the Scripture says, “All you who are not Jews, praise the Lord. All you people, sing praises to him.“
[SUP]12 [/SUP] And Isaiah says, “A new king will come from the family of Jesse. He will come to rule over the non-Jewish people, and they will have hope because of him.“
[SUP]13 [/SUP] I pray that the God who gives hope will fill you with much joy and peace while you trust in him. Then your hope will overflow by the power of the Holy Spirit.
1 Peter 1:3-9 (ESV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
[SUP]4 [/SUP] to an inheritance that is imperishable, undefiled, and unfading, kept in heaven for you,
[SUP]5 [/SUP] who by God’s power are being guarded through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] In this you rejoice, though now for a little while, if necessary, you have been grieved by various trials,
[SUP]7 [/SUP] so that the tested genuineness of your faith—more precious than gold that perishes though it is tested by fire—may be found to result in praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] Though you have not seen him, you love him. Though you do not now see him, you believe in him and rejoice with joy that is inexpressible and filled with glory,
[SUP]9 [/SUP] obtaining the outcome of your faith, the salvation of your souls.
J
So were the fart memes we posted yesterday.. sooo, what's your point? LOL
At least joefizz is accurate in his definition of "sneeze blasting"...
At least joefizz is accurate in his definition of "sneeze blasting"...
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By on offering he has perfected forever those who are being sanctied.
there is no other way to see this, than to take it as it is written (the word of God is God breathed) God did not make a mistake telling us that fact,
I am perfected forever.
I am in the process of being sanctified
Those two FACTS are true about me.
When you learn to take Gods word and believe in ALL his promises, and stop trusting in your own ability. You will be amazed at how Gods trueth opens up.
I agree and if people desire misrepresent themselves it will always be revealed.
What people forget is the reason why they do this behaviour is stronger than the deception
and always will show through.
It is why claiming to walk with Christ with a closed heart deceives only those who do not know
Christ, so is counter productive. You cannot corrupt the innocent because they are not interested.
You can train them better to listen to the King, but that is where it stops.
It makes me wonder about prophecy, and premellenialism because the Kingdom never ceases to grow.
It grows because it is eternal, and the Lord uses everything, so there is no fear, He has it sorted.
It is kind of funny those who claim God alone is in control spend so much time preaching against the
evils of church, which is irrelevant if what they believe is true, so they are excusing their behaviour by
claiming this evil behaviour is so necessary yet they claim it is not. So confused and hypocritical.
What people forget is the reason why they do this behaviour is stronger than the deception
and always will show through.
It is why claiming to walk with Christ with a closed heart deceives only those who do not know
Christ, so is counter productive. You cannot corrupt the innocent because they are not interested.
You can train them better to listen to the King, but that is where it stops.
It makes me wonder about prophecy, and premellenialism because the Kingdom never ceases to grow.
It grows because it is eternal, and the Lord uses everything, so there is no fear, He has it sorted.
It is kind of funny those who claim God alone is in control spend so much time preaching against the
evils of church, which is irrelevant if what they believe is true, so they are excusing their behaviour by
claiming this evil behaviour is so necessary yet they claim it is not. So confused and hypocritical.
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I'M a Vietnam Vet, and I have stage 4 terminal prostate cancer from Agent Orange (there is no cure). What proof would you like so that I can clear my good name from your false accusations, I noticed the poster did not come right out front an post the guilty persons name only innuendo's and made up accusations so that the person who meets this profile (like me), has no means to defend himself or confront his accuser. Please I ask you as it your civil duty to come forward and introduce your self and tell me what proof you would need to clear my name on this thread, there is no one on this thread that is a Veteran who is sick, as you say, that I have knowledge of except me.
I can scan and upload my, DD214 Honorable discharge papers, to this thread; or how about my VA documents that award me benefits for having made contact with Agent Orange in a hostile zone, Vietnam, I can up load these if you like. And my Award was issued in June 2015 way before I began posting here on CC. Would that be enough proof Mr. Stranger. Or my wife has photo's on her I-Phone from City of Hope where I receive cancer treatments and just finished 6 months of Chemo treatments.
You can see me with IV's and no hair and gaunt looking, would that be enough evidence to clear my good name that you have smeared of this beautiful forum.
And who are you, Mr. Mystery Man, to accuse anyone of fraudulence with no proof whatsoever except your prejudicial false claim's, do you want to hurt someone's good name to make you look like the tough guy, be brave an show yourself so that I can see what a coward looks like. Good Grief upon Grief. I mention my cancer on this forum so that people could pray for me, not so that I could commit a fraudulent act....did not your Mother and Father tell you to not tell lies or bear false witness.
And I don't even want an apology from you, just do not this to another innocent by stander.
To God be the Glory Alway's.
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This must double speak. You are a sinner, not clean, continuing sin, yet perfected. That makes no sense.
And Paul talks about differentiating Gods work in us perfect. But this implies it is not complete is something we
do perfects it.
This is why I have problems with these absolutes you continually com e out with that do not agree with
scripture.q. But it is always ideas that reinforce a passive attitude, but are close to real faith language
that makes it sound legitimate though with no foundation.
And Paul talks about differentiating Gods work in us perfect. But this implies it is not complete is something we
do perfects it.
This is why I have problems with these absolutes you continually com e out with that do not agree with
scripture.q. But it is always ideas that reinforce a passive attitude, but are close to real faith language
that makes it sound legitimate though with no foundation.