Genesis Chapter 1--A Motion of Warfare

[toolsoftrust]

After numerous careful studies of Genesis 1 through 2:7, I've concluded that Chapter 1 is a swift motion of warfare by God. I say this because Genesis 2:1 uses the term rendered in old-English as "host," (plural), with the literal Hebrew meanings of "armies," "wars," and "warfare." I am indeed breaking from the modern Bible versions that I am accustomed to for this crucial reason. They fail to convey this vital purpose of God for creating the universe.

More importantly, our entire translation of Genesis chapter 1, and the rest of Scripture depends on these wars taking place among angels and men.

 

[Locutus]

I think you need to flesh this out a bit more.

 

[toolsoftrust]

What do you mean?

 

[toolsoftrust]

His first physical force of action was the waters, according to verse 1 of Genesis, and many such passages in Scripture.

["physical" was inserted on edit--author]

 

[Locutus]

Your post is bare bones - you need to explain where you are going with this.

 

[toolsoftrust]

I always begin with bare bones. Don't you? Foundations, then substance.

 

[Locutus]

Well, get on with it man - or do you want me to come over there and type for ya...

 

[toolsoftrust]

Where was Abram going when he left Haran?

 

[Locutus]

Is this an exam - at this rate the readership will be dozing off.

 

[toolsoftrust]

It has to do with the Spirit, the water and the blood, being the testimony of God, and the events on earth corresponding with wars taking place in heaven, as apparent in places like Daniel 10 and the book of Jude.

 

[toolsoftrust]

Abram was going to a place God would show him. He didn't know the precise destination.

 

[toolsoftrust]

Walking according to faith, and not knowing, is Christ-like, because it reveals humility. Thomas doubted, insisting on human knowledge.

 

[Dino246]

Toolsoftrust, do you hold to the gap theory regarding the first two verses of Genesis 1?

 

[MarcR]

After numerous careful studies of Genesis 1 through 2:7, I've concluded that Chapter 1 is a swift motion of warfare by God. I say this because Genesis 2:1 uses the term rendered in old-English as "host," (plural), with the literal Hebrew meanings of "armies," "wars," and "warfare." I am indeed breaking from the modern Bible versions that I am accustomed to for this crucial reason. They fail to convey this vital purpose of God for creating the universe.

More importantly, our entire translation of Genesis chapter 1, and the rest of Scripture depends on these wars taking place among angels and men.

Ts'vaw ahm is the Hebrew translated host in Ge 2:1. Ts'vaw is singular common gender and means the whole group. it is often used in a military sense but not here. ahm is third person masculine plural meaning (of) them.

 

[toolsoftrust]

Ts'vaw ahm is the Hebrew translated host in Ge 2:1. Ts'vaw is singular common gender and means the whole group. it is often used in a military sense but not here. ahm is third person masculine plural meaning (of) them.

Count the number of times words like "rule," and "dominion," are used in this passage. Context counts in determining translation. The story that follows, including Eve's seed and the seed of the serpent being at enmity, strongly suggests wars.

 

[tourist]

Where was Abram going when he left Haran?

I'm fairly certain that it wasn't McDonald's.

 

[MarcR]

Count the number of times words like "rule," and "dominion," are used in this passage. Context counts in determining translation. The story that follows, including Eve's seed and the seed of the serpent being at enmity, strongly suggests wars.

It is an interesting thought; but from a linguistic perspective your reading would require ts'vah oht ahm. When host is plural you do indeed have a military connotation. I do agree that there is spiritual warfare involved in Genesis 3; but as a linguist I can't connect it to ts'vah ahm.

 

[Depleted]

It has to do with the Spirit, the water and the blood, being the testimony of God, and the events on earth corresponding with wars taking place in heaven, as apparent in places like Daniel 10 and the book of Jude.

At this point, since you've already declared no one else is getting Genesis right, I am of the belief that you are about to teach us a whole new theocracy.

Which, of course, you can't without creating a whole new god. Sooo, I tend to think Locutus was on to something when he said readers are falling asleep. Not quite that as much as I think wise readers should fall asleep.

Wiser still -- time to walk away.

 

[MarcR]

At this point, since you've already declared no one else is getting Genesis right, I am of the belief that you are about to teach us a whole new theocracy.

Which, of course, you can't without creating a whole new god. Sooo, I tend to think Locutus was on to something when he said readers are falling asleep. Not quite that as much as I think wise readers should fall asleep.

Wiser still -- time to walk away.

Take it easy Lynn!

He has fairly good linguistic foundation for his argument. I believe he is mistaken in Gen chapter 1 but he is certainly correct that Gen 3 does address Spiritual warfare. My argument is basically grammatical nit-picking; but I believe that I'm correct.

 

[toolsoftrust]

Toolsoftrust, do you hold to the gap theory regarding the first two verses of Genesis 1?

I believe what the Bible says, as it says it. It doesn't precisely define dinosaurs, or explicitly indicate Satan's fall obliterating the earth. The Bible does say, "judge nothing until the appointed time." That would mean to judge nothing until Holy Spirit says, "such is such," or the Almighty gives the final Word.