We choose Jesus or Jesus choose us
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If He quickened all, all would be saved.
Exactly. Jesus said He would quicken whoever(there's that pesky whoever word again) He will.
I agree with this. But we are not God, either. And He is nothing like us. You are trying to hold God to our standards and that's a huge no-no.
So, you have a child on the railroad track and a train is coming at them. They are blind and deaf. Will you call out for them to use their free will and get off that track, even though they can't see or hear you? Or do you reach out and take them by force and move them off of it?
By using your belief, I would have to beg them to get off of the track, but if they don't exercise their free will, when they go 'splat!', I can walk away and say I tried to save them, they just didn't do their part. That's what you are stating as your belief.
Exactly. Jesus said He would quicken whoever(there's that pesky whoever word again) He will.
I agree with this. But we are not God, either. And He is nothing like us. You are trying to hold God to our standards and that's a huge no-no.
So, you have a child on the railroad track and a train is coming at them. They are blind and deaf. Will you call out for them to use their free will and get off that track, even though they can't see or hear you? Or do you reach out and take them by force and move them off of it?
By using your belief, I would have to beg them to get off of the track, but if they don't exercise their free will, when they go 'splat!', I can walk away and say I tried to save them, they just didn't do their part. That's what you are stating as your belief.
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Ppl who are lost are dead spiritually, and are a spiritual corpse. They can not make themselves alive, so it takes God to take the initiative and move unilaterally and quicken them to life. You call that God forcing them, I call it what the bible calls it, regeneration. You claim this violates their free will if God does this.
Now, take that example. A man is dead from a massive heart attack. If you do CPR, that is like God quickening someone, yet you call it force. So, if you do CPR, by using your logic, you would be forcing them to come back to life, violating their free will.
Now, take that example. A man is dead from a massive heart attack. If you do CPR, that is like God quickening someone, yet you call it force. So, if you do CPR, by using your logic, you would be forcing them to come back to life, violating their free will.
That's not quickening your son, you are waking him up. To quicken is to be made alive.
John 5:21.
But God only saves some. In either view, God does not save all. You have a God that does not get what He wants. He's an anemic God, a weak God, a God that is not God, but must submit to the whims of those who hate Him.
John 5:21.
But God only saves some. In either view, God does not save all. You have a God that does not get what He wants. He's an anemic God, a weak God, a God that is not God, but must submit to the whims of those who hate Him.
God hated Esau because he placed no value on the birthright of inheritance. It's plainly seen by looking at the Hebrew. Esaus name was changed to Edom, and Edom comes from the root of Adam. Adam did the same action in disobeying the command of God to not eat of that tree. Despising the birthright of being the "son" to inherit is the action that brings the wrath of God on men. Because this entails choosing ones own way of "becoming a god" or self willed, self rule.
Esau chose his hunger for "flesh", a bowl of meat over his rights of sons inheritance. Flesh is interpreted both as the body, and the human nature.
In Pharoah, he too was a "god" in his own mind.
So so it's not that God chooses nilly willy. And He only hates those who reject outright His rights of ownership of His own creation, for in this action is the rejection of His Son, Jesus, who was predestined from the beginning to bring Sonship, the image of God within to mankind.
I saw all this through word studies over over several years.
The post in this thread that BillG posted in the beginning of this thread is very important IMO.
He shows in this post the why we are chosen. He states that revelation of what was going on in a mans heart was keeping him in bondage through anger at a misfortune that occurred in his past.
The reason why this is important shows how Jesus walked when He was here on earth. He saw into the hearts of men and ministered to them through Spiritual means by His oneness with Father God.
This is our purpose for being chosen by the Lord. To see into the hearts of men/women by the action of Holy Spirit to minister directly to a need that will bring deliverance to one captive yet in sin.
So I can see the point that Jackson is making that God loves all men. He isn't willing for men to be cast away from His Presence, but to be drawn by His love and acceptance through His own sacrifice that He Himself offered in giving us His Son.
Those of us who have obeyed by faith have been given a great privilege of sharing the answer freely to others. We freely received, we freely give through the power of Holy Spirits leading, and His giftings.
We dont have to wait wait for a "time" to happen for Sons to manifest. The world is just waiting for us to believe who we are and what we are given.
Esau chose his hunger for "flesh", a bowl of meat over his rights of sons inheritance. Flesh is interpreted both as the body, and the human nature.
In Pharoah, he too was a "god" in his own mind.
So so it's not that God chooses nilly willy. And He only hates those who reject outright His rights of ownership of His own creation, for in this action is the rejection of His Son, Jesus, who was predestined from the beginning to bring Sonship, the image of God within to mankind.
I saw all this through word studies over over several years.
The post in this thread that BillG posted in the beginning of this thread is very important IMO.
He shows in this post the why we are chosen. He states that revelation of what was going on in a mans heart was keeping him in bondage through anger at a misfortune that occurred in his past.
The reason why this is important shows how Jesus walked when He was here on earth. He saw into the hearts of men and ministered to them through Spiritual means by His oneness with Father God.
This is our purpose for being chosen by the Lord. To see into the hearts of men/women by the action of Holy Spirit to minister directly to a need that will bring deliverance to one captive yet in sin.
So I can see the point that Jackson is making that God loves all men. He isn't willing for men to be cast away from His Presence, but to be drawn by His love and acceptance through His own sacrifice that He Himself offered in giving us His Son.
Those of us who have obeyed by faith have been given a great privilege of sharing the answer freely to others. We freely received, we freely give through the power of Holy Spirits leading, and His giftings.
We dont have to wait wait for a "time" to happen for Sons to manifest. The world is just waiting for us to believe who we are and what we are given.
to me they are sheep because: start from verse 35. And that what Jesus Said.
matt 25
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
matt 25
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
1. I am not able to make death people a live, but If I know a man sleep close to fire and the fire go to his direction, I Will wake him up because of Love. I believe God love is greater than me, do you believe God is not love?
2 I know God only save whosoever believe in Him. But the invitation is for all.
2 I know God only save whosoever believe in Him. But the invitation is for all.