We choose Jesus or Jesus choose us
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Wow, talk about missing the Gospel altogether, and the fact that Abraham is the father of us all by faith. Salvation has always been via grace and never by merit, you don't know what you're talking about. Note John 3:10 for instance, that Nicodemus should have been aware of this via the OT. Please do some more study on rudimentary principles as to not make such fatal errors in the future.
Funny isn't it, these concepts of God people just make up? God is a "gentleman" and won't make or cause us do anything.
Uh-huh.
Let's see, God caused us to be born again after He elected us and set us apart; 1 Peter 1:3, oh, what a travesty! In fact, there are many things in Scripture that show God causes us to do things; Ezekiel 36:27; Philippians 2:13; Psalm 23:2.
I don't believe, in light of this, that I'd be accusing God of not being a "gentleman." God's ways are above our ways, and we'd be most unwise to think He must fall under our criteria or human reason.
Instead He has revealed who He is and how he operates in us via Scripture and the above show that He actually does cause us to do His will.
Thank Him that He did all these things, causing us to do all the above, or left alone we'd be eternally lost.
Abd there is this, what shall you choose,
exodus 32
25Now when Moses saw that the people were out of control—for Aaron had let them get out of control to be a derision among their enemies— 26then Moses stood in the gate of the camp, and said, “Whoever is for the LORD, come to me!” And all the sons of Levi gathered together to him. 27He said to them, “Thus says the LORD, the God of Israel, ‘Every man of you put his sword upon his thigh, and go back and forth from gate to gate in the camp, and kill every man his brother, and every man his friend, and every man his neighbor.’” 28So the sons of Levi did as Moses instructed, and about three thousand men of the people fell that day.29Then Moses said, “Dedicate yourselves today to the LORD—for every man has been against his son and against his brother—in order that He may bestow a blessing upon you today.”
exodus 32
25Now when Moses saw that the people were out of control—for Aaron had let them get out of control to be a derision among their enemies— 26then Moses stood in the gate of the camp, and said, “Whoever is for the LORD, come to me!” And all the sons of Levi gathered together to him. 27He said to them, “Thus says the LORD, the God of Israel, ‘Every man of you put his sword upon his thigh, and go back and forth from gate to gate in the camp, and kill every man his brother, and every man his friend, and every man his neighbor.’” 28So the sons of Levi did as Moses instructed, and about three thousand men of the people fell that day.29Then Moses said, “Dedicate yourselves today to the LORD—for every man has been against his son and against his brother—in order that He may bestow a blessing upon you today.”
Funny isn't it, these concepts of God people just make up? God is a "gentleman" and won't make or cause us do anything.
Uh-huh.
Let's see, God caused us to be born again after He elected us and set us apart; 1 Peter 1:3, oh, what a travesty! In fact, there are many things in Scripture that show God causes us to do things; Ezekiel 36:27; Philippians 2:13; Psalm 23:2.
I don't believe, in light of this, that I'd be accusing God of not being a "gentleman." God's ways are above our ways, and we'd be most unwise to think He must fall under our criteria or human reason.
Instead He has revealed who He is and how he operates in us via Scripture and the above show that He actually does cause us to do His will.
Thank Him that He did all these things, causing us to do all the above, or left alone we'd be eternally lost.
Uh-huh.
Let's see, God caused us to be born again after He elected us and set us apart; 1 Peter 1:3, oh, what a travesty! In fact, there are many things in Scripture that show God causes us to do things; Ezekiel 36:27; Philippians 2:13; Psalm 23:2.
I don't believe, in light of this, that I'd be accusing God of not being a "gentleman." God's ways are above our ways, and we'd be most unwise to think He must fall under our criteria or human reason.
Instead He has revealed who He is and how he operates in us via Scripture and the above show that He actually does cause us to do His will.
Thank Him that He did all these things, causing us to do all the above, or left alone we'd be eternally lost.
But yeah, God is a loving and patient God not willing that any should perish, but we also know that he is a God of wrath and it is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of a living God. It would pay us all to look into the gospel and try to see where we ourselves are standing with him. If we don’t, there’s probably going to be a lot of folks hearing the words depart from me you workers or iniquity because I never knew you...But to each his own because that is our choice and we all can choose to accept and serve him or not…We cannot serve two masters we will either love the one or hate the other, but that is totally our choice…Just saying.
Good post 1ofthem, yes the wheat and the tares will grow side by side, but the tares have been blinded and deafen from the father of lies, he gave them a check and they have chosen to take it, that check can only be cashed in at the end of theirs days on earth, but that check they recieved by their own realization will bounce.
Ro 2:4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
The goodness of God that leadeth us to repentance not causeth us to repent? Adam brought upon mankind the curse of sin and we have no choice but to sin. God also gave Adam the knowledge of good and evil so Adam could choose to repent or perish. There is no glory for God if man cannot choose. Love compelled is not love.
John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
Nice thing about the Calvinist view of election is that man is not required to surrender his will to Gods will. No need to humble oneself before Christ just acknowledge your election and go on your merry way. Pride and arrogance in place of humility and thanksgiving.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
The goodness of God that leadeth us to repentance not causeth us to repent? Adam brought upon mankind the curse of sin and we have no choice but to sin. God also gave Adam the knowledge of good and evil so Adam could choose to repent or perish. There is no glory for God if man cannot choose. Love compelled is not love.
John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
Nice thing about the Calvinist view of election is that man is not required to surrender his will to Gods will. No need to humble oneself before Christ just acknowledge your election and go on your merry way. Pride and arrogance in place of humility and thanksgiving.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Instead of going ad hominem, which is your practice, why not receive what I said about Scripture and accept correction? Scripture refutes your teachings, so stop teaching it?
Be like; "I stand corrected, thanks!"
You are on here teaching Bible doctrine to people and are in total error. You need to be corrected and stood against as far as what you teach. That is called kindness and compassion. I am not sure if your teaching is out of ignorance, or what it is, but be ready because when I see you continue to push your error, I am going to correct you. It is that important.
For the record, here again is my refutation on your teaching, which you called "unkind" and other in your ad hominem laden reaction. You need to get some thick skin since you cannot handle being called out for your errors:
To reiterate, dear friend, you do not know what you're talking about, and you need to do some more study on rudimentary principles. Do you know what that means? It means the foundation of your teaching is erroneous and needs corrected. Why not just man up and own your errors bro? You think you just get a bye, and if someone points out the glaringly obvious, you can just call them unkind so as to continue on in error? The best friends you have will correct you, and it may hurt your feelings, but again, man up.
Be like; "I stand corrected, thanks!"
You are on here teaching Bible doctrine to people and are in total error. You need to be corrected and stood against as far as what you teach. That is called kindness and compassion. I am not sure if your teaching is out of ignorance, or what it is, but be ready because when I see you continue to push your error, I am going to correct you. It is that important.
For the record, here again is my refutation on your teaching, which you called "unkind" and other in your ad hominem laden reaction. You need to get some thick skin since you cannot handle being called out for your errors:
To reiterate, dear friend, you do not know what you're talking about, and you need to do some more study on rudimentary principles. Do you know what that means? It means the foundation of your teaching is erroneous and needs corrected. Why not just man up and own your errors bro? You think you just get a bye, and if someone points out the glaringly obvious, you can just call them unkind so as to continue on in error? The best friends you have will correct you, and it may hurt your feelings, but again, man up.
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Amen!!
There is something to be said about the word "whosoever." Salvation is offered to all. (John 3:16) We were originally created to choose for the purpose of a reciprocating love relationship. If we are restricted from choosing, love is stifled because love isn't a "one way street."
"For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth." (1 Timothy 2:3-4)
There is something to be said about the word "whosoever." Salvation is offered to all. (John 3:16) We were originally created to choose for the purpose of a reciprocating love relationship. If we are restricted from choosing, love is stifled because love isn't a "one way street."
"For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth." (1 Timothy 2:3-4)
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Well in the verses I posted 26 speaks volume, when Arron spoke for Moses, he said whoever is for the lord come to me, so the sons of Levi chose to listen to Moses instruction that wasn't given to them they had to choose to come to the lord.
in verse 29 says every man not just the covenant ppl, but every man is against his son and brother.
in verse 29 says every man not just the covenant ppl, but every man is against his son and brother.