We choose Jesus or Jesus choose us

[notmyown]

No, I don't need any doctrinal dogma attached to my Bible, I only speak from the Word of God in relationship to my understanding of it by way of the Holy Spirit's guidance. This is what the Bible says, and this is what i believe is true due to the testimony of the Holy Spirit to my own spirit, and hence then my brain. It's not more complicated than that, it's just righteousness lived out is all. Smile. So, I hope we are on the same page?

my little brain! i'm not certain which page you're on, you see.

btw, the ordo salutis' 'doctrinal dogma' is merely the 'stages' (for lack of a better word atm) of salvation the Bible speaks of (which i thought you were speaking of, too), listed. as i see it in the Scriptures, election, predestination, calling, regeneration, faith, repentance, justification, sanctification, perseverance, glorification. all these are mentioned in the Bible.

but grace to you, and peace.

 

[notuptome]

KJVJohn15;16 16. Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

Proof texting by taking a verse out of context.

Jesus chose them and one was a devil.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[seed_time_harvest]

"Noe was a just man; being perfect in his generation, Noe was well-pleasing to God." Gen 6:9

You may be right in what "perfect" means. But what about "just" and "well-pleasing to God"?

Noah was perfect In his generation but he couldn't have been perfect according to the Spirit,else why would JESUS have needed to come to earth as a man to die on the cross satisfying the demand of the law and be a perfect atoning sacrifice for man taking back the power Adam handed over to the devil and giving grace to whosoever believes In the WORD of GOD?

 

[trofimus]

And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
(Genesis 1:26-27)

If God has "free will" why don't we?

Because we are not free in any meaning similar to God. We are created and what is created, is dependent.

 

[IamWhoIam]

No, I like carl junior because oN sale

Huh never heard of the place, I guess I don't have any of those in my state, I looked it up, lol

 

[IamWhoIam]

Because we are not free in any meaning similar to God. We are created and what is created, is dependent.

so was satan dependent on something or did satan choose to disobey God?

 

[trofimus]

so was satan dependent on something or did satan choose to disobey God?

Of course satan was, is and will be dependent. He is not equal to God in any way.

 

[IamWhoIam]

Noah was perfect In his generation but he couldn't have been perfect according to the Spirit,else why would JESUS have needed to come to earth as a man to die on the cross satisfying the demand of the law and be a perfect atoning sacrifice for man taking back the power Adam handed over to the devil and giving grace to whosoever believes In the WORD of GOD?

what do you think would have happen if Noah didn't obey God's command, I'll tell you what would of happened none of us would be here right now.

 

[IamWhoIam]

Of course satan was, is and will be dependent. He is not equal to God in any way.

I will ask again what was satan dependent on if you think he was?

step wisely swing true

 

[trofimus]

I will ask again what was satan dependent on if you think he was?

step wisely swing true

I do not live in higher dimensions, I live in 3D material world like you. So how can I know specifically what are spirits, angels etc dependent on in their decision making?

But they are not God, so they are dependent, limited, changing, making mistakes, not knowing everything etc.

 

[Jackson123]

So why do not believe all who hear? Its very obvious that hearing is not enough.

Something else must be added. What is it?

all I know is What It say in that verse, faith come from hearing, why not all WHO hear believe? To me It is free will

 

[trofimus]

all I know is What It say in that verse, faith come from hearing, why not all WHO hear believe? To me It is free will

And to Paul it is grace of election. So I think you are wrong.

"And what was God's answer to him? "I have reserved for myself seven thousand who have not bowed the knee to Baal.
So too, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace."
R 11:5

"And Isaiah boldly says, "I was found by those who did not seek me; I revealed myself to those who did not ask for me."
R 10:20

 

[Jackson123]

KJVJohn15;16 16. Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

Jesus choose to die oN the cross, because He choose to save the world, not that the world choose Jesus, but Jesus choose to save the world. It is general statement

 

[Jackson123]

Its their choice and they are not forced to be muslims.

But are they free not to be muslims? I do not think so. They need a new heart to accept Christ, not just hear about Him. Its like, in your example, to be birds when they are not.

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BTW I am not familiar with the situation in Indonesia, is it safe for you to be here on Christian Chat?

they need a faith to Jesus, and faith come from hearing. After have faith, then new heart come.

 

[unobtrusive]

I have a question relating to this verse.

"For many are called, but few are chosen." (Matthew 22:14)

Now if God has already made up His mind as to who He will choose, way would He waist His time calling the ones that He previously determined as unacceptable?

 

[IamWhoIam]

I do not live in higher dimensions, I live in 3D material world like you. So how can I know specifically what are spirits, angels etc dependent on in their decision making?

But they are not God, so they are dependent, limited, changing, making mistakes, not knowing everything etc.

you made a wise choice my friend,

 

[trofimus]

they need a faith to Jesus, and faith come from hearing. After have faith, then new heart come.

We already agreed that not all who hear believe the message.

So the believing is not by hearing alone. Its not enough. There must be something else added for the message to be effective. A new heart prepared for the message.

And this new heart is gift of God and nobody can change that.

 

[Jackson123]

Red + blue = purple. I have no red shirts, nor blue shirts. All my shirts are purple

To bad, you do not have your free Will MAgenta, go to walmart I brought my short for $5 buy 2 get 3.

 

[Jackson123]

And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
(Genesis 1:26-27)

If God has "free will" why don't we?

yep, we are His image.

 

[Jackson123]

Huh never heard of the place, I guess I don't have any of those in my state, I looked it up, lol

Than go to my state brother