We choose Jesus or Jesus choose us
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This verse has some context. And the context clearly says that hearing is not all.
"Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word about Christ.
But I ask: Did they not hear? Of course they did"
R 10: 17-18
"What then? What the people of Israel sought so earnestly they did not obtain. The elect among them did, but the others were hardened."
R 11:7
So, the Bible says that two things are needed:
1) hearing
2) election (new heart, new birth, grace, gift of faith, not being hardened, regeneration, whatever we want to call that)
"Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word about Christ.
But I ask: Did they not hear? Of course they did"
R 10: 17-18
"What then? What the people of Israel sought so earnestly they did not obtain. The elect among them did, but the others were hardened."
R 11:7
So, the Bible says that two things are needed:
1) hearing
2) election (new heart, new birth, grace, gift of faith, not being hardened, regeneration, whatever we want to call that)
I read R 10, to me No indication that God make them refused to believe. They own free Will choose to be disobedeance.
21 But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people.
this verse tell me How God longing to make Israel believe in Him not all the way around
all day long I have stretching forth my hands
to me It tell how God longing to bring Israel to Him. But they use their free Will to refused
21 But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people.
this verse tell me How God longing to make Israel believe in Him not all the way around
all day long I have stretching forth my hands
to me It tell how God longing to bring Israel to Him. But they use their free Will to refused
They have everything needed to believe and yet they do not believe, for they exchanged the truth of God for a lie... For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. They have hardened their hearts.
Where in this verse it says that they can have a faith to salvation by their own merit, without a grace of God?
Or what do you imply it from?
The verse says that they can recognize there is a God. But this is not a saving faith as James says in his letter.
For a saving faith, one has to have love for Christ, a desire to live for Him, to appreciate His offer etc. And this kind of faith needs a new heart, it needs to be born from above.
Or what do you imply it from?
The verse says that they can recognize there is a God. But this is not a saving faith as James says in his letter.
For a saving faith, one has to have love for Christ, a desire to live for Him, to appreciate His offer etc. And this kind of faith needs a new heart, it needs to be born from above.
Hmmm, I said no such thing.
I made no implication. The text is clear, and I provided it. They have exchanged the truth of God for a lie. Line by line, we know they have hardened their hearts against God due to their pride of life. They have made themselves an idol.
You seem to have failed to grasp something.
Exactly. They have everything but belief/faith, which is the requirement for salvation. Multiple times I have posted that without faith, it is impossible to please God. I don't know why you would think I would say anything to contradict that.
I made no implication. The text is clear, and I provided it. They have exchanged the truth of God for a lie. Line by line, we know they have hardened their hearts against God due to their pride of life. They have made themselves an idol.
You seem to have failed to grasp something.
Exactly. They have everything but belief/faith, which is the requirement for salvation. Multiple times I have posted that without faith, it is impossible to please God. I don't know why you would think I would say anything to contradict that.
Well, in that case I am not sure what you are trying to say 
If you do not say that all people can be saved, but something from God is needed, I am not sure what you want to say with that verse...
If you do not say that all people can be saved, but something from God is needed, I am not sure what you want to say with that verse...
Repentance means to change mind. So I suppose its present in the grace of election, too.
When God elects somebody for eternal life, He will give such a person everything that is needed.
Then the message from Christ comes and ... bam! Faith is born
When God elects somebody for eternal life, He will give such a person everything that is needed.
Then the message from Christ comes and ... bam! Faith is born
toilet paper? lol really ? actually man invented toilet paper so why would the Bible mention it? when it was invented By man? and the Bible does mention the planets and stars, sun and moon. man named the planets from greek mythology and a flase religion based on worshipping the planets and sun. Earth is the Only planet God names but He does actually mention them in generality.
the planets names are names of false roman gods. for instance venus is the roman goddess of beauty, mercury is the god of commerce, theft and travel, Mars named after the god of war..... so why would God mention the names of planets that are based on false gods? or toilet paper which man invented?