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trofimus

trofimus

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Jackson123 said:
Because human have free Will, they can refuse or accept, believe or not what ever they hear.
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Do you agree that God knew who will be saved, before He created the Universe?

If He knew it, it was always certain.
 
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Jackson123

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trofimus said:
Do you agree that God knew who will be saved, before He created the Universe?

If He knew it, it was always certain.
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All I know is It is certain whosoever believe Will be save
 
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trofimus

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Jackson123 said:
but they are inline not againt each other.
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But J 3:16 is not any Ace verse explaining all others.

Jude 1:3 is on the same level, for example. So J 3:16 cannot erase it. Both are true.

And both can be true when we say that All who believe will be saved and who believes? The ones whom God gave faith.
 
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Jackson123

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trofimus said:
But J 3:16 is not any Ace verse explaining all others.

Jude 1:3 is on the same level, for example. So J 3:16 cannot erase it. Both are true.

And both can be true when we say that All who believe will be saved and who believes? The ones whom God gave faith.
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both are true.

say there are 4 person

a, b, C, d

I am delivery man. My bos ask me to deliver package to them.

then I do It, but a and b refuse, so only C and d accept the package

question

A,How C and d get the package? 1 Are they buy 2or AS a gift,?

B why a and b doesn't have a package? 1. My bos not ask me to deliver the package to them or 2 they refuse the package?
 
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Jackson123

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O ya Deliver not always mean give. I order pizza by phone, than delivery man bring It to me

Uh don't quote this verse anymore brother you make me hungry ;)
 
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oldethennew

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we believe that Jesus often calls the hungry', even before they know what they hunger for.,.
 
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Jackson123

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If God allredy decide WHO Will save, why I evangelized. Whether I witness or not not make a different
 
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oldethennew

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what He has decreed in heaven, He awaits His fulfillment on earth, for each of us
in His own time,,.
 
SovereignGrace

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Jackson123 said:
Than, for the sake of love, why not elect all? God is love.

why John 3:16 say whosoever believe

uncondition?

to me believe is condition or requirement
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Brother, you've become a broken record with you overuse/abuse of John 3:16. Got any other verses memorized other than John 3:16?
 
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Magenta said:
After all this discussion it eludes you that the point is that choice is involved? Jesus invites us into relationship with Him. He stands at the door and knocks. It is Biblically sound to say we have a choice whether or not we open the door to Him. "If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with that person, and they with me." Does that look like Jesus forcing anyone to open the door to Him? It sure doesn't to me! :)
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So the Christ addressing an apostate church is, again, conflated with being addressed to lost man.
 
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Jackson123 said:
If God allredy decide WHO Will save, why I evangelized. Whether I witness or not not make a different
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Theres no 'if' to this... He has decided. Why evangelize? We're commanded to, seeing that's how ppl are saved.
 
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Jackson123

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SovereignGrace said:
Theres no 'if' to this... He has decided. Why evangelize? We're commanded to, seeing that's how ppl are saved.
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Yep we are commanded, but whether we obey or not It doesn't make any different It Predestinasi isn't It?
 
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Jackson123

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SovereignGrace said:
Brother, you've become a broken record with you overuse/abuse of John 3:16. Got any other verses memorized other than John 3:16?
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The bible is consistent, this verse not againt other verse. And this verse is easy to understand. To be elect as heaven resident, we need to believe.
 
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