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no I am not adding It is interprating
No, you've added.

I am not agree with Calvin doctrine.
You don't like the biblical doctrine of predestination. You're angry, cynical.

calvin doctrine accused the heaven resident make a fake drama celeberation party If one repent.
Nope, that's all on you and what you're doing yourself.

I question why heaven resident make big party to celebrate When one person repent, If salvation is Pre decide?
"Heaven resident"??? By this you further illustrate you don't understand what is going on in the text.

You're adding things not there then blaming it on someone else. But carry on, there is no convincing you of your own ill behavior here.
 
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No, you're adding alright.

You don't happen to like predestination. You're cynical, angry about God's doctrine.
Why cynical,and angry,for that is the best thing to believe is predestination,which no person says Jesus is Lord,except by the Holy Ghost,and every person that claims Jesus Christ is come in flesh,and Peter said Jesus is the Christ,the Son of the living God,which it was the Father that revealed that to him,and no person comes to the Son unless the Father draws them,so if a person believes those things they must have been predestined to salvation for God is working in their life.

So why would they not want to believe in predestination if it means they can never fall.

So are they seeing something that the people that believe in predestination cannot see,and is the predestination people denying the truth of the Bible,for they do not want to see it.

But nonetheless,for if they believe not predestined,and not faith alone,saved by works,and claims Jesus as Lord,and He is come in the flesh,and that He is the Christ,the Son of the living God,then God must be working in their life,for no one can claim those things unless God is working in their life,and no person comes to the Son unless the Father draws them,as the Bible states,and if that is so then they must of been predestined to salvation also despite what they believe.

Why would they not want to believe in predestination when it is such a good thing,so what do they see in believing what they believe that causes them to have responsibility in their walk with God,and take heed,for they believe they have to conduct themselves rightly to be saved.

Or is it a matter that some people will not fool themselves,and ignore scriptures,because that is not a benefit,and some people are willing to fool themselves,and ignore scriptures,because they want a walk with God with no responsibility,and cannot ever fall.

But the Bible says work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

And God said He wants all people to repent,and come to the truth,and be saved,so He did not choose who will be saved,and not saved in the beginning.

And many are called,but few are chosen,so God does the calling,and choosing on earth.

Some people are not willing to fool themselves,and ignore scriptures,for that will not lead to anything good.

Like Moses told the rich man in hell when he wanted Moses to send Lazarus to come back from the dead,and speak to his brothers concerning hell so they do not end up there,and Moses said,they have the words of Moses,for if they do not believe the words of Moses,they will not believe even if one rose from the dead and told them.

Some people will fool themselves concerning scriptures to hear it how they like it,and will not believe even if one rose from the dead and told them.

Why do these people resist predestination,and not faith alone,saved by works which is charity,love in action,when it would be the greatest thing to believe for you can never fall,so they must see something called the truth.

The Bible states a person can lose out on salvation if they do not take responsibility,for the Spirit will not twist their arm to live for God so they must take action to act like Christ before the Spirit will lead them.

We being in the flesh cannot provide salvation for ourselves,so Jesus saved us,and all we have to do is have faith,and believe.

But once we receive the Spirit then we are spiritual so the responsibility falls on us to ensure our salvation.

The saints predestined to salvation does not mean that God chooses who will be saved,and not saved,without their input,but that God had the plan to give mankind salvation before He laid down the foundation of the world,so it is the same as if the saints have salvation in the beginning,for God calls things that have not happened yet,as though they already happened,and this salvation is to whoever wants that salvation,which the Spirit,and bride say,anybody can have that salvation.

But some will not hear even if one rose from the dead and told them.
 

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No, you've added.



You don't like the biblical doctrine of predestination. You're angry, cynical.



Nope, that's all on you and what you're doing yourself.



"Heaven resident"??? By this you further illustrate you don't understand what is going on in the text.

You're adding things not there then blaming it on someone else. But carry on, there is no convincing you of your own ill behavior here.
am I Angry , No I am know about me than you. And I am not angry. I am agree with God but not Calvin.

the verse say there is a Joy in the present of angel. Angel is heaven resident isn't It?
 
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am I Angry , No I am know about me than you. And I am not angry. I am agree with God but not Calvin.

the verse say there is a Joy in the present of angel. Angel is heaven resident isn't It?
Put an end to your slander brother, Calvin never said one thing of which you accuse.

It says there is joy in the PRESENCE of the angels. Instead of angrily and falsely accusing Calvin of something he did not do, try some reading comprehension. OK? Thanks.
 

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Put an end to your slander brother, Calvin never said one thing of which you accuse.

It says there is joy in the PRESENCE of the angels. Instead of angrily and falsely accusing Calvin of something he did not do, try some reading comprehension. OK? Thanks.
my question is If salvation is Pre decide why there is presence of Joy every repent sinner? It doesn't make sense to me.
 
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my question is If salvation is Pre decide why there is presence of Joy every repent sinner? It doesn't make sense to me.
Now you're getting somewhere and leaving off your false accusations. You really shouldn't be falsely accusing others of things they've never said.

It doesn't say or imply surprise or that there is drama in the text.

Why would there not be rejoicing in eternity when a sinner repents in time? 2 Peter 3:9 shows how God expectantly awaits the salvation of His elect, that they come to repentance.
 

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my question is If salvation is Pre decide why there is presence of Joy every repent sinner? It doesn't make sense to me.
to make It more clearly let me add this :

let say I invite a friend, he was angry to me. So I am not too hopful he Will come, to my surprise he come, how joyful I am,
so It is reasonable for me to make celeberation party.

in the contrary If I force him to come, to make people think he and me do not have problem anymore for political gain. Than I make celeberation party to celeberate, isn"t fake drama?

God is honest, He Will not make fake drama like that
 

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to make It more clearly let me add this :

let say I invite a friend, he was angry to me. So I am not too hopful he Will come, to my surprise he come, how joyful I am,
so It is reasonable for me to make celeberation party.

in the contrary If I force him to come, to make people think he and me do not have problem anymore for political gain. Than I make celeberation party to celeberate, isn"t fake drama?

God is honest, He Will not make fake drama like that
this argument simmilar to

can you lose your salvation

mark 13


34 For the Son of Man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch.
35 Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:
36 Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping.
37 And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.

if not why Jesus warn us to watch. Just do what ever you want, you not going to lose you salvation

I interprate watch in this context mean keep obey His command.
 
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Put an end to your slander brother, Calvin never said one thing of which you accuse.

It says there is joy in the PRESENCE of the angels. Instead of angrily and falsely accusing Calvin of something he did not do, try some reading comprehension. OK? Thanks.
I really think it would be more Christ-like to have leniency and patience with a person that clearly does not have English as his first language.

Luke 15:10 Likewise, I say unto you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner that repents.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man comes unto the Father, but by (through) me.
 
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to make It more clearly let me add this :

let say I invite a friend, he was angry to me. So I am not too hopful he Will come, to my surprise he come, how joyful I am,
so It is reasonable for me to make celeberation party.
God isn't man and He wasn't surprised. You keep adding that to the text. You're probably an Open Theist in addition to your other errors.

in the contrary If I force him to come, to make people think he and me do not have problem anymore for political gain. Than I make celeberation party to celeberate, isn"t fake drama?
No, it's not fake drama or drama at all. God doesn't force anyone to come, but He most definitely predestined and elected all who will be saved. You don't happen to like that. Perhaps you should have been there to instruct God how to do it, yes?

God is honest, He Will not make fake drama like that
Each of your errors and scenarios are based upon a false premise. You are not doctrinally sound. There is joy in eternity over one sinner who repents in time.

Carry on, get your last word in.
 

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Now you're getting somewhere and leaving off your false accusations. You really shouldn't be falsely accusing others of things they've never said.

It doesn't say or imply surprise or that there is drama in the text.

Why would there not be rejoicing in eternity when a sinner repents in time? 2 Peter 3:9 shows how God expectantly awaits the salvation of His elect, that they come to repentance.
2 peter 3

9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.


God longing to save people and you say God Pre decide is that consistent?
eGod not willing that any should perish, to me It is mean God willing every body save. And you say God only quicken some, while he want every body save, is this consistent?

this doctrine indirectly accused God is cruel not love. Let me remind you I am not accused God cruel or angry with God, I am not agree with Calvin doctrine. Angry with God and not agree Calvin doctrine are different

You believe God give the gift of faith to certain people only and God longing to save all people ponder It brother!
 

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God isn't man and He wasn't surprised. You keep adding that to the text. You're probably an Open Theist in addition to your other errors.



No, it's not fake drama or drama at all. God doesn't force anyone to come, but He most definitely predestined and elected all who will be saved. You don't happen to like that. Perhaps you should have been there to instruct God how to do it, yes?



Each of your errors and scenarios are based upon a false premise. You are not doctrinally sound. There is joy in eternity over one sinner who repents in time.

Carry on, get your last word in.
to me If you Pre decide people come your Joy Will happen when you decide, not when he come.

for Example yesterday you decide he come, and he is comin now, yesterday you know he Will come that time for your joy
 

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let me repeat my argument

1. I interprate 2 peter 3:9 AS God do not want any body perish, or God want every body save

2. To my knowledge, calvinis believe spiritual death not able to respon
The invitation for salvation without the help of The Holy Spirit

3 to my knowledge calvinist believe that Holy Spirit only help some, and Leaving most die and not able to accept salvation, It is mean deliberately let them to hell

compare #1 and #3

if God want every body save why not help all spiritual die to respon salvation invitation

my conclution is, Calvin doctrine wrong

i believe God want every body save, God set up rule, whosoever believe Will save. A man have free Will, he decide to accept or refuse
 

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If God love every body and want every body save why Calvin say He only help some spiritual die to believe?

God live and want every body save that is fact, and I believe It.
but God only help some to believe and left most people helpless so they go to hell, is againt the doctrine of God is love, and againt the bible doctrine
 
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We're on vacation at Pigeon Forge, TN and using my iPhone causes me many typos I reckon.

"Man is in bondage to win." - SovereignGrace

I gotta not let go of that one, it's classic! :D

Hope you all are having fun, brother.
 
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yes they do If they want to be free, just follow Jesus.
So, slaves can go free from their masters if they want to? So, they go up to their master and say they want to be free, they will freely let them go? Pfffft!!!

Nope. Try again.
 
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"Man is in bondage to win." - SovereignGrace
Classic typo. But don't let O'Steen read this, or he will patent it before I can.

I gotta not let go of that one, it's classic! :D
Oyyyyyyyy!

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Hope you all are having fun, brother.
We are. Dixie Stampede last night, Dolly Parton's Mtn Adventure tonight. Krispy Kreme for breakfast yesterday. I'll need 40 hrs straight on a treadmill.
 
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Classic typo. But don't let O'Steen read this, or he will patent it before I can.


Oyyyyyyyy!



We are. Dixie Stampede last night, Dolly Parton's Mtn Adventure tonight. Krispy Kreme for breakfast yesterday. I'll need 40 hrs straight on a treadmill.
Sorry brother, I meant classic as in I'm sticking that one on ya, even though I know it was a typo. Too funny to pass up! Hope I didn't offend you.
 

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So, slaves can go free from their masters if they want to? So, they go up to their master and say they want to be free, they will freely let them go? Pfffft!!!

Nope. Try again.
the original master pay high price and invite whosoever believe to be free