Which is the real day of worship?Saturday or Sunday?
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Hey,
Saturday or Sunday.. i basically have no clue.. but that doesn't even matter.. Because we know that worshiping God is all that matters..
Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day, things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ. - Colossians 2:17
these are just mere shadows, the real thing that matters is Jesus Christ.. thats were our intention must be!
Saturday or Sunday.. i basically have no clue.. but that doesn't even matter.. Because we know that worshiping God is all that matters..
Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day, things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ. - Colossians 2:17
these are just mere shadows, the real thing that matters is Jesus Christ.. thats were our intention must be!
Rom 14v5,6,Paul is here speaking about those who believed in righteousness by works. Not about the moral law having been done away with. The "new covenant" is actually older than the "old covenant" (Gen. 3:15) We have always been "under grace". When Moses declared the law the people said 4 times that they would obey the law. They didn't realize that no one can keep the moral law except by the grace of God. Thus the "old covenant" was born. The law that Jesus freed us from at the cross was the ceremonial law that pointed to the cross. After the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus there was no need for the sacrificial system/ceremonial law as Jesus had fulfilled it. To say that we are now free from the moral law means that we would be free to kill, commit adultery, steal, curse, worship idols and covet etc. Surely you don't believe that is true? When we talk about "grace" think about this: when we have a living relationship with Jesus the natural result of that relationship is obedience to the moral law. God gave the moral law to point out sin. He said "if you love me keep My commandments (John 14:15. John 15:10). On the other hand there are many folks that believe that one can earn their way to heaven by attempting to obey the moral law that they can't keep. It is by grace that we are able to keep God's law. Salvation is not about attempting to keep law but rather having a relationship with Jesus that results in a person naturally obeying the law. If we love God we will do what he wants right? If one is married and the man knows that the wife wants a new coat as a birthday gift will the husband instead give her a jar of pickles? No, he will give her what he knows she wants because he loves her. It's just that way with God. The Christian obeys the law because he/ she want to please the Savior not in order to get salvation. Same way with the Sabbath.
The real day of sabbath can differ depending on if you want to go by the Jews sense of time or ours. if it's ours then it can be either sunday or saturday it depends really on what you think it is but if we go by the jews sense of time it's both sunday and saturday because sunset on saturday is officially the next day so at sun down on saturday for them it's sunday kind of like how 12 am is the next day for us
Part of what you say is correct however, the Sabbath day can be traced down through history and has never changed in all that time. There is no question about which day the Sabbath is. To start it has to do with the cardinal and ordinal numbers of the days of the week at creation. It's more than I can explain here as it will take quite a while. But very basically cardinal numbers are pattern setting numbers that do not change until another cardinal number is used. Ordinal numbers are "follower numbers" They follow the pattern of the cardinal number before them. Day one of creation is a cardinal # and the 6 following days are ordinal days. There has never been another cardinal number used in the Bible after day one of creation and there were only 6 ordinals ever used. Thus the 7th day Sabbath is the same now as it was during creation week. So, when Jesus and Paul worshiped on the Sabbath in the NT it was the same Sabbath of creation week. There is much more to this but I'll stop here.
Ro 14:1-6
Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.
2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
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Col 2:16-17
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
KJV
This is what NT Scripture has to say about it. All else is opinion.
However when opinion is consistent with Scripture it can sometimes be helpful; so here is mine for what it is worth.
The Seventh Day Adventists place the writings of a woman named Ellen G White on a par with Scripture.
The Bible says not to do that. Believe the Bible and dismiss any teachings of the SDA that disagree with Scripture.
Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.
2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
KJV
Col 2:16-17
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
KJV
This is what NT Scripture has to say about it. All else is opinion.
However when opinion is consistent with Scripture it can sometimes be helpful; so here is mine for what it is worth.
The Seventh Day Adventists place the writings of a woman named Ellen G White on a par with Scripture.
The Bible says not to do that. Believe the Bible and dismiss any teachings of the SDA that disagree with Scripture.
The Sabbaths referred to in Col. 2 are ceremonial sabbaths not THE Sabbath. In addition, the Sabbath is not a "shadow of things to come" but the memorial of creation and redemption. (Duet. 5 and Ex 20) To dismiss the Biblical Sabbath which is part of the moral law one also has to dismiss the other 9 commandments as non binding. One can't just pick and choose which commandments one wishes to honor. This has nothing to do with the SDA church. It has to do with whom you consider 1st in your life - God or yourself. John 14:15: If you love Me keep My commandments!
And I understood him to mean exactly what Paul said by the spirit
of a man does what he does to honor and please his LORD, than he does not sin
if he wants to set aside one day (if he wants to set aside every day) it does not matter
he honors the LORD because of his love for the LORD
GOD sees the heart of all men
HE knows what is done and what is hidden from men is not hidden from GOD
of a man does what he does to honor and please his LORD, than he does not sin
if he wants to set aside one day (if he wants to set aside every day) it does not matter
he honors the LORD because of his love for the LORD
GOD sees the heart of all men
HE knows what is done and what is hidden from men is not hidden from GOD
So for you it doesn't matter what God said in the Decalogue. You can just obey or disobey the moral law as you see fit right? Obedience is determined by you and your judgment regardless of what God has commanded? Sin BTW, is the transgression of the moral law. The Pharisees thought they were honoring God by turning Sabbath into a curse with all their added restrictions not in the law given by God (Matt. 23, Mark 7:6). Sin is determined by the moral law not by what man proposes to do. Mans sin cost Jesus His life. To say that one is free to determine how one will honor God apart from His law is a costly assumption indeed.
Sunday. Saturday (Sabbath) was to commemorate a finished creation. Sunday is to commemorate a finished redemption. Creation is physical, redemption is spiritual. The Old Covenant obeyed God's law physically, the New Covenant obeys God's law spiritually. Saturday was under Moses, Sunday is under Christ. You cannot be under both (Romans 7:1-4).
Jesus rose from the grave on a Sunday morning. His resurrection is the whole point. But in the Old Testament the sabbath was the whole point. We are now in the New Testament, in the New Covenant, under the New Leader (Christ, not Moses). So many times it says "Upon the first day of the week..."
Jesus rose from the grave on a Sunday morning. His resurrection is the whole point. But in the Old Testament the sabbath was the whole point. We are now in the New Testament, in the New Covenant, under the New Leader (Christ, not Moses). So many times it says "Upon the first day of the week..."
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