...."for we wrestle not against flesh and blood.....

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Wrestlers wrestle with their opponents in order to subdue them. So we wrestle with evil forces daily for the same reason, and use the the Sword of the Spirit (the Word of God) as our offensive weapon and the Shield of Faith as our defensive weapon. There is no arguing with Scripture, therefore we must use Scripture in every issue. There is also no arguing with unshakeable faith in God, in Christ, and in the Bible.

Ad because the Bible is the Sword of the Spirit, Satan has made sure that modern Christians will always be i doubt about the true Word of God. Hence all the critics, their critical editions, and their corrupt modern versions which need to be updated on a regular basis. People can mock all they want about "KJV-Only" but there is no denying that this was the Sword of the Spirit for English speakers for over 300 years, and continues to be the true Bible for many. Even movie makers (who are by no means Christian) will quote from the KJV when they quote Scripture.

So what does an average day of wresting look like for you, brother?In non-christianese terms ....how do you use the Sword and Shield?(if thats not too personal)
 
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Eph 6:10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
Eph 6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Eph 6:13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

It means that the people who will give us trouble,it is not the flesh and blood that we contend with,but they are being influenced by spiritual wickedness in high places,which it mainly means people of power in big groups that go against the saints,such as governments that influence a great deal over people,and can persecute the saints,and try to pervert Christianity with immorality,and go against it.

Which tells us that the governments,and nations,and religions,and such big groups,like the new age movement,Freemasonry,and such,that go against Christianity,and the truth of it,that it is not flesh and blood influencing them,but it is spiritual wickedness in high places,the devils.

And they can embrace the Bible,but still it can still be influenced by the devil of their belief of the Bible,and go against the truth of the Bible,like the new age movement that will occur in the latter times,which their interpretation of the Bible is of seducing spirits,and doctrines of devils,which is based on spiritual evolution through nature,and exalts people.

And any group that does not hold the Bible in the truth that is based of of nature worship.

America allows Christianity,but they also allow all false religions to be practiced there,and immorality,and fleshy pleasures,and worldliness,and the occult,and the pursuit of money,and material things,that can be a stumbling block to many people.

And some nations do not tolerate Christianity at all,whether the truth of it,or pervert if from the truth.

King Nebuchadnezzar acknowledged the God of Israel,but he was a heathen king that believed in other gods,and occult practices.

Any big group that has influence over people that is against Christianity,or embrace it but have falsehood concerning it,making it as one religion of many religions that are valid,or an occult interpretation of it,or some serious misinterpretations of the Bible,and then go against the truth of the Bible,it is not flesh and blood that we contend with in their pursuit of them going against the Bible,or going against the truth of it,but it is the devils stirring them up to go against the truth.

When Satan is bound in the bottomless pit for 1000 years there is peace on earth,and people are not fighting with each other,for without Satan in the picture the people are not stirred up to act so crazy.

There are people that want the occult to be a worldwide thing among all nations,and to do away with religion that exalts a higher power.

And they are kicking it up in American society.

Look at a lot of music videos that are newer compared to years ago,as they go from being the good person,to the bad person,and the occult symbolism in their videos,and them making a transformation to the occult world,for many are given over to the occult.

Taylor Swift on a dark night,as she emerges from the grave,and pops up from the earth,and she is lying in the grave all decked out in white,like an innocent person,but the mud covered Taylor Swift is burying her,and then shows her later in the video sitting decked out in red,with a cup in her hand as if to represent Mystery Babylon.

Britney Spear with her song Slumber Party,which happens at night in darkness,which is about secret societies,and the parties they have,and she crawls on her hands and knees across a table towards what looks like man representing Lucifer with a lightening bolt across his left eye.

And Beyonce that has a video where she is in a building,and sinking in water along with the Bible,and then she emerges from the door of the building,as the water rushes out,which appears to symbolize her transformation to the occult,and inciting a riot,and smashing cop cars,and a video of people worshipping her,and bowing down to her,which she says a spiritual entity,Sasha Fierce,takes over her when she is on stage,and many videos where they display the transformation to the occult,and by way of getting rid of their old self,good,to the bad,new self.

These are only a few examples of how the occult world is blatantly coming out more to influence people to embrace it,for the coming beast kingdom is based on the occult.

The purpose of celebrities for a lot of them is to pervert the people to be immoral,perverted,and immoral,although many may think it is not the intention,and reality for the good,but that is the intention of those in power who want an occult world.

That is why they are acting so weird,especially musicians,because they are given over to the occult world,and many are intentionally following the occult plan of the elites,and given over to the age movement,and the occult.

And some have a meltdown as they might struggle between the 2 personalities,but they cannot seem to break free,such as Britney Spears,and Kanye West as he went on a rant in one of his concerts,and said he has truth to tell the people,that could cost him his career,and his life,and then had a breakdown.

And Katy Perry that cut her hair,and said she did not want to be Katy Perry anymore,who shows occult symbolism,which appears that she was making a move out of it,but can she do it all the way,for she has a video called wide awake,where she is confronted with herself as an innocent little girl,and the little girl leads her in a wheelchair,as Katy holds a fruit in her hand,and the little girl is confronted with 2 men with heads with horns on them,as if to represent the occult,and the little girl stomps her foot down,and takes them out of the way,and then they exist a door,where it is a quiet,nice neighborhood,and Katy is dressed nice,and innocent,as if she broke free from the occult,and back to her innocent self.

For she sang in the song if I knew then what I know now,I wouldn't have dived in,wouldn't have bowed down,and that she is not blind anymore.

But the elitists will not let her go,and Satan will put pressure on her to stay in the occult,and that is why some when they embrace the occult will struggle until it causes a breakdown,but they cannot seem to break free.

And that is why they get the fame and fortune,by complying with the elite,and the occult,and many say they sold their soul to the devil,and look how music was kind of innocent,except the sex part,now the videos are about the occult,and weird,and self exaltation among many of them.

That lets us know that they are kicking up the influence on American society with the occult,and more immorality,and self exaltation,for that is what the new age movement is about,which is the future for this sinful world.
Yes.I am well aware of how much the music industry has gone down hill in the last 15 years or so.And the masses lap it up.Just looked up a song by "The chainsmokers"this evening ....it is a mainstream song with a very illuminati feel to it but is very catchy.It has about 800 million views.judgement day is going to be very interesting ....when we get to see what was really going on behind closed doors - that's for sure!
 
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Ouch. I'm a Pentecostal, and that offends me. Maybe you could use some softer language instead of encouraging Pentecostal enemies to come out of the woodwork, please?
Forgive me for my impatience with this movement, but I came out of pentecostalism and it left me with a residue of confusion and even now when I seek a scriptural answer from fellow believers , I often get an answer based on personal experience rather than the Word.I just cant take the movement seriously is all.No harm intended.
 

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We need to be ever mindful that when tribulations and buffeting cross our paths that it is orchestrated by the god of this world. Before we are saved we are in fellowship with the world after we receive Christ we are now on a winning team. Where before our thoughts and actions were in concert with the world we are now at cross purposes.

When someone cuts you off in traffic do not become angry with them but consider that they may need Christ. See everyone as a soul in need of salvation instead of someone who is causing you grief. Have mercy on those who are as yet without Christ.

For the cause of Christ
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The new testament refers to it.
Show scripture please.

I doubt there is any letter to a church that teaches to kill heretics in the N.T. when scripture in the N.T. just resort to withdrawing or excommunication..
 
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......what does this verse mean....? Does it mean that we literally wrestle against demons or is it figurative language?

i think as often greater insight can be found in things like this by looking at what some others said James particularly has good insight to complete unerstanding in pauls letters. this shows how thos spiritual forces work in us here

james 1 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. 15Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. 16Do not err, my beloved brethren. 17Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning. 18Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures."


lust is a spiritual force of evil, and really is the source of all kinds of sin not only sexual Lust but things Like greed, pride, adultery, covetousness ect..... In our minds there is wrong Knowledge, wrong Knowledge leads to wrong desires, wrong deisres Lead to wrong actions. if we fill up with the truth of Jesus Word, it too goes into Our Minds to combat the lies in our Mind, the wrong Knowledge, so the right Knowledge, Leads to right desires, and true desires lead to right actions.


when we say spirit were not talking about Like on tv a transparrent entity, But like if you say " I did this in the spirit of Brotherly Love" theres a certain spirit attatched to all things. something Like for instance pornography, has a spirit of Lust in it, we can take that into Our Mind and the spirit comes with it and becomes an issue. or something Like a horror Movie, that brings a spirit of fear into Our Minds. or say some satanic music when we spend time taking that in, it comes with a spirit.


the same is true Of Gods Word, there is a spirit in the Word of Jesus Christ, as you take it in there is a spirit that comes into the Mind. if you spend enough time studying a subject, Knowledge grows and fills more space inside the realm of thought you find your thoughts changing and conforming to the Knowledge you keep within your Mind. where as if you spend time on wrong Knowledge those to conform your Mind towards them.


if a teenager for instance watches porn, or violence ect alot, it will create in them the desires to do the things they are watching so much, sort of perverts the mind from innocence to evil. when I myself think of How the spirit works in us it comes back to the Word of God because it is the vehicle for God to get into Our Minds and Hearts. the first thing a person has to do is Hear the Word before we can accept it. spirit affects us both Gods Spirit and the spirit in the World of corruption
 
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Forgive me for my impatience with this movement, but I came out of pentecostalism and it left me with a residue of confusion and even now when I seek a scriptural answer from fellow believers , I often get an answer based on personal experience rather than the Word.I just cant take the movement seriously is all.No harm intended.
It's my experience when I talk to someone who's come out they are young when they leave, or they've been in a terrible, me-centered church. Which one was yours?
 
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It's irrelevant when I came out of it.All I know is that I was not chatechized properly and therefore was not prepared for a big, dangerous and confusing world with a wicked enemy targeting me.I believe ( hope) that those in charge of my spiritual welfare will be held accountable for all the confusion I underwent and for me not being adequately armed with the full counsel of God at a very crucial time in my younger life.
 

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It's irrelevant when I came out of it.All I know is that I was not chatechized properly and therefore was not prepared for a big, dangerous and confusing world with a wicked enemy targeting me.I believe ( hope) that those in charge of my spiritual welfare will be held accountable for all the confusion I underwent and for me not being adequately armed with the full counsel of God at a very crucial time in my younger life.
You should prepare yourself to forgive them in the event that God should peradventure recovered them out of the snares of the devil they are in. I know that I need His help to forgive my enemies that are not asking for forgiveness from me but I lean on Him to forgive them per the chance that Jesus will deliver them and forgive them to have them seated at the Supper table with me when the Bridegroom comes for the abiding bride of Christ at the pre trib rapture event.
 

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......what does this verse mean....? Does it mean that we literally wrestle against demons or is it figurative language?
In the Old Testament, where God's laws were obeyed physically, David killed his tens of thousands. But in the New Testament, where God's laws are obeyed spiritually, we kill by having ourselves and others die to themselves in order to live for God. Thus our killing today is to "make diciples of all nations."

So since our war is not with flesh and blood, like David's was, our war is with false doctrines, bad rules, bad principles. For example, we know abortion is murder, so we have to fight against that law or mindset. We know belief alone saves no one, so we have to fight against false sense of salvation to give people real salvation.

So what it means is its no longer a physical war, it is now a spiritual war.
 

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The KJV version mentions unicorns and dragons, and occasionally, satyrs. I like unicorns and fairies, have gotten rid of the dragons. Are unicorns and fairies considered 'occultic' I want to write Christian fantasy stories, maybe novels, with spiritual war fare, the heroine and heroes go to fantasy worlds and preach the gospel to the people in different places of the past or future or imagination, There is very little magic, the magic is mostly done by bad guys. There will be plenty of scripture and prayer. Deeds of kindness, mercy to enemies, love, innocent fun, telling/reading of Bible stories to those who don't know them, especially children, artistic pursuits, praising God, will be in my stories. I also draw and paint, there will be illustration.

Do you think all fantasy is bad? Do you dislike Disney? Do you think fantasy is just for kids, and when grown up we should put childish things away?

With fantasy, are we lying to our children, talking about the imagination, and then telling them that stuff is not real when they get older?

Could fairies be evil spirits and unicorns goat demons? And dragons are seen as Satanic in the Bible.

I've been wrestling with this for a while.
 
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The KJV version mentions unicorns and dragons, and occasionally, satyrs. I like unicorns and fairies, have gotten rid of the dragons. Are unicorns and fairies considered 'occultic' I want to write Christian fantasy stories, maybe novels, with spiritual war fare, the heroine and heroes go to fantasy worlds and preach the gospel to the people in different places of the past or future or imagination, There is very little magic, the magic is mostly done by bad guys. There will be plenty of scripture and prayer. Deeds of kindness, mercy to enemies, love, innocent fun, telling/reading of Bible stories to those who don't know them, especially children, artistic pursuits, praising God, will be in my stories. I also draw and paint, there will be illustration.

Do you think all fantasy is bad? Do you dislike Disney? Do you think fantasy is just for kids, and when grown up we should put childish things away?

With fantasy, are we lying to our children, talking about the imagination, and then telling them that stuff is not real when they get older?

Could fairies be evil spirits and unicorns goat demons? And dragons are seen as Satanic in the Bible.

I've been wrestling with this for a while.
Being an artist myself , I hear where you are coming from.I appreciate the work of Tolkien and C.S.Lewis who were peers at Oxford University and both wrote fantstasy novels.
However, I take the hard line with these issues.In my humble opinion it is better for children to know the Word inside out than to believe in Santa Claus and the Tooth fairy ....and the times we are living in don't warrant anything else.However, it is a matter of personal conviction and I encourage you to do your own research and seek the Lord in these matters.All the best!
 
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we 'wrestle' with the 'dark-powers', physically and spiritually, according to where
our Heavenly Father has placed us in His plan...one or the other and sometimes,
both at the same time...and yes, when He calls us, He arms us where we are,
and continues to do so for where He is preparing us to go...
 

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......what does this verse mean....? Does it mean that we literally wrestle against demons or is it figurative language?

Ephesians 6:10-12 10 [FONT=&quot]Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.[/FONT][FONT=&quot]11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Well, I belong to a non-denominational church with pentacostal leanings...lol when I 1st heard that I was confused but in reality my church is a grace based gospel church. We baptize in the Holy Spirit, some speak in tongues, some have other gifts as well. I say this so you have an idea where I am coming from and because I like to be as open and clear as possible. I was also an addict and alcoholic and criminal until Jesus saved me when I was 40. (almost 8 years ago).

I believe those verses remind us that there are indeed dark forces at work to hinder us from spreading the gospel of Jesus. While they can never take my salvation they can work in concert with my flesh to keep me from leading others to Christ by using the weaknesses in my flesh like anger and pride to conceal the love Jesus has shown me. When I am operating in the light of the truth I am exhibiting fruits of the Spirit for all to see however when I allow my flesh to run the show I am walking in darkness and those fruits stay hidden.

Make no mistake, satan is real and he wants only to kill, steal and destroy. But he is not God, he is not all knowing and he only has whatever power we allow him to have. When Jesus was tempted in the wilderness He used scripture to battle the devil. When I am tempted I do the same. However, on days when I am very worn out I can rely on God's will to keep me sober and sane because I try to turn my will over to Him as much as I can.

Not sure this is a great answer for your question. Sorry.

One last thing, when you have questions like that pray and ask the Holy Spirit to help give you understanding then read the bible. This sounds cheesy but I have found it to be a great blessing.

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The KJV version mentions unicorns and dragons, and occasionally, satyrs. I like unicorns and fairies, have gotten rid of the dragons. Are unicorns and fairies considered 'occultic' I want to write Christian fantasy stories, maybe novels, with spiritual war fare, the heroine and heroes go to fantasy worlds and preach the gospel to the people in different places of the past or future or imagination, There is very little magic, the magic is mostly done by bad guys. There will be plenty of scripture and prayer. Deeds of kindness, mercy to enemies, love, innocent fun, telling/reading of Bible stories to those who don't know them, especially children, artistic pursuits, praising God, will be in my stories. I also draw and paint, there will be illustration.

Do you think all fantasy is bad? Do you dislike Disney? Do you think fantasy is just for kids, and when grown up we should put childish things away?

With fantasy, are we lying to our children, talking about the imagination, and then telling them that stuff is not real when they get older?

Could fairies be evil spirits and unicorns goat demons? And dragons are seen as Satanic in the Bible.

I've been wrestling with this for a while.
I had thought about writing stories like that too like in the times before the flood type of scenario, but that was before He helped me to see that the sons of God were of the godly lineage of Seth from which the nation of Israel had sprung from.

There is some indication that unicorns is just another reference to the rhino. See at 1:12 in video.

[video=youtube;CqTMvuDUpYM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqTMvuDUpYM[/video]

Dragons could be applied to dinosaurs like in Psalm 148:7 AND since the behemoth as described in Job 40 had a tail like a cedar which is a tree. Even the leviathan can refer to a sea creature of the dinosaur family as the dragon in the sea ( Isaiah 27:1 ) BUT it can be applied to the devil in Revelation.

Satyrs that dance? Hmm....Greek word has it defined by Strong's concordance as a he goat or a faun. It could be wrong, but Isaiah 13:21 & Isaiah 34:14 reference it living among the wild beasts and the owl in that place that it can cry to his fellow and dance as well... which I am sure it is not referring to a dance by two legged creature such as us, but four legged creature can dance too when being playful.

Unless spelled differently, I see no result in a search engine at Bible Gateway for fairies in the KJV.

I had been playing with the idea of what the world was like before the flood where the people of our time & world somehow gets transports there and think it is another world because of the technological advancement, the one huge land mass, and the moon being faceless, but soon they discovered that they are on earth before the flood and Noah just entered the ark and closed the door too.

Kind of like a christian sci fi horror movie where I believe all the recorded impact of craters on earth and on the moon happened at the time of the flood that helped created the flood. You have the moon slowly moving away from the earth which maybe at the time of impacts, it started it to move it away. Then the moon governs the rising of the tide that the gravitational pull of it moving away affected the rising of the tide dramatically.

Then the mist that was covering the earth rose up to condense into the formation of rain clouds and rained for the first time on the earth.

The many impacts on the earth would send dusts into the air, causing earthquakes and creating super volcanoes even, as it would break up the continents in causing them to shifts and move and collide and create magma and thus the many volcanoes. These many impact can force the waters in the deep to arise forming the mid- Atlantic Ridge which adds to the global flood that water marks has been noted on mountaintops. The waters receded into that great chasm off the coast of China where now scientists discovered huge ocean near the core of the earth.

Over time, in the days of Peleg in the Bible, the land that makes up the Atlantic Ocean, sunk, dividing the one land mass, as I am sure huge tsunamis wiped out a lot of the coastlines and beyond.

Anyway, that is how I see the calamity as happening in this fictional movie.

One could say that because of technological advancement, they may be more advanced before that flood to which how and why every thought of man was wicked; they may had a holodeck. They may had moon bases. There may be blood feuds and wars that make our wars look like a pillow fight. I cannot imagine that in how bad that war can be but God saw it fit to put an end to that unrepenting world.

I had even played with the idea of having a teenage boy from a modern family going to school through a path in the woods daily to come out into the past like a Little House on the Prairie kind of thing. Eventually, the boy gets in trouble with his parents who insists he has not been going to school and so when they take him to the modern school where he was supposed to go, he suddenly realizes that he has been going to a school that existed in the past when he sees the picture of it hanging in the office of the principle. There is an a lot of stories that can come out of it that it could be a TV series.

Anyway... be nice if this site has a forum for creative writing even if it is fictional. I am not that good at writing, but I do daydream a lot.





 

jb

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...."for we wrestle not against flesh and blood.....
You can read a bit of a blog I did on The Armour Of God Here

As regards what the "principlilties and powers" are, these are the evil angels that Satan has appointed over countries and large cities, it is they who are the real rulers behind human governments, kings, presidents, prime ministers, dictators etc, hence why Paul tells us to pray for such in 1Tim 2v1-8, see also Dan 10, Rev 12v7-12.

You will also find This study helpful...
 
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here's the crux,

you are redundantly describing/living other people's fantasy programs from as far back as
this world/generations will allow...'oral-books-pantomime/re-creation/plays-/phone-radio-boob tube-
records-videos-cell phones-cd's, etc!,,,this is what this pitiful world is doing, 'living-a-lie', spawned by satan,
in his fallen-state, but he never gives up, he's still 'trying' to usurp our Heavenly Father and His future-plans
for His 'called-out-chosen-first-flock...just look at our children, we can't even let them out to play, for the
predators are jerking and lurking behind every tree'...

some will hear and some will deny, and some will just not give a damn,,...

why would you even want to 'keep playin', when you know that you're already 'toast'?!?!?!