How did we get to the massacre in Las Vegas?

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Billyd

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2 Ti 3:1-4
3 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
KJV
Kinda describes the men of almost every generation since Christ, doesn't it?
 

Chris1975

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I am struggling to find conclusive proof that this event actually happened. It all looks staged. Very staged.
 

Lighthearted

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I am struggling to find conclusive proof that this event actually happened. It all looks staged. Very staged.
I wish that were true for the victims and their families.
 

NayborBear

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I can see the point that America is more influential than Spain or the CR.

But I do not agree that if America falls to evil, the whole world falls to evil. Why do you think so?
I can't give ya PennEd's response, but, I can give ya mine....lol

Because, America, the fading "light on the hill", as it is becoming; Can, and is still, holding those forces of evil at bay! No one, or, several countries allied together, DARE! Mutually Assured Destruction, would certainly come about! There would be NO winners! That's correct, sir! America would sacrifice OURSELVES! Not something evil forces are so WILLING to "pony up" to. That make sense?
 
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The United States is no longer united. Stephen Paddock was 64 years old. Probably born in 1954. Four generations past, from today (2017), would be around the beginning of the 20[SUP]th[/SUP] century. This was the time of the industrial revolution, centered around wealth, and the first world war. The Civil War was fought for that purpose of prosperity, contrary to popular belief, as were the history books’ false documentation in high school. The love of money is the root of all evil.

What have we turned a blind eye to in the last 100 years plus? I feel that we haven’t taken God’s perfect government into account for a very long time. Have we been praying the Lord’s prayer in vain, “thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven?” Is Las Vegas another harbinger (warning) given to us by the grace of God?

Exodus 20:3-6
3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

Revelation 3:15-16
15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

The Civil War was fought for that purpose of prosperity, contrary to popular belief, as were the history books’ false documentation in high school. The love of money is the root of all evil."


the civil war began after the social differences developed and led to the south wanting to imancipate itself from the northern states, the south wanted its own constitution because they did not agree with the united states constitution which declared all men created equal and had certain inaliable rights, it was almost entirely the issue of slavery that led to the civil war. while there were differences in things Like tax theory, money had little to do with the war.

the ultimate cause of the war was the constitution of the United states slowly the Northern states began to abolish slavery state by state, while the Southern states embraced slavery. slave owners had a Higher status socially, they rented slaves out, traded them like a commodity, while a small number percentage wise owned slaves, nearly entirely the south supported avidly slavery, and slavery was indeed good for thier economy it meant free labour.

around 1820 you had the missouri compromise one of the earliest legislations that restricted slavery in few us territories, whole the North was pushing towards progress in immancipating african slaves, the south Grew furious because slaves were a big part of social and economic status. as these differences grew you then had the dred scott decision around 1850 which was dred scott suing for citizenship, the court ruled No person of african blood could be a us citizen and the court also overturned the Missouri compromise. these two events is what set the table for the civil war.

states began seeking to govern themselves regarding slavery, wanting to be seperated from the federal governments stance on abolishing slavery. the northern states wanted abolishion, and the southern states did not, while this affected thier state economics, to say the civil war was fought over economics is not accurate. the issue of Human rights was at the core.

One of the main issues mid 1800s was that slaves would escape from the southern states, to the Northern states and the Northern states refused to recognize the escapees as fugitives and return them, but rather treated them closer to Free Human beings that Had Human rights just as others had. this issue became the kindling for the blaze. The constitution to this point had said that fugitive slaves be recognized as such and returned, the North claimed they would obey God over this statement in the prior constitution.

as states were formed out of the territories, both abolishionists, and pro slavery groups competed to occupy the new states wanting to establish thier beliefs to be superior in those new states such as ohio and illinois. the two groups occupied these new states and violent clashes began happening. the issue still purely slavery.

John brown an abolishionist was then hanged in virginia, and then abraham Lincoln was elected. Lincon had promised He would not allow expansion of slavery, but would not interfere with it where it existed and thus Got votes on both sides. The southerners began revolting and attacked fort sumpter, and this began the civil war. it was not an economic war, everything effects economics, but purely the issue that caused the war was the division of north and south regarding slavery, even beginning in the 1600s when slaves were offloaded from ships some americans approved and some did not, the differences grew over time building like a volcanoe and eventually erupted. thae cause was irreconcilable differences over the issue that festered for over 200 years.


Human rights was the Lone cause. Money is not the cause of every evil, many yes, but not every. this can be seen even today where we see things like sex crimes, jealousy crimes, rage crimes ideological crimes and atroucities happen on a daily basis that has no root of Love of Money. evil comes in many forms. the civil war however was not fought because of Money.




 

loveme1

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This type of terror reminds us that evil is rife..

The most well intended Christians of this world can not change a persons mind if they are not willing.

It is sad but true that we will witness the outcome of disobedience to GOD and those we thought were good guys may not be so.

I understand what this thread is about.. and if you follow that thought you may come to realise that something is inherently wrong... which hopefully will have you seperate yourself and reflect that the world is heading just where the Bible prophesied...

Those in dark places really do seek a United world and GOD's Children are not welcome..
 

Jackson123

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I wonder how many bullet you can put oN one GUN. He kill 60 people and wound 500 + is one person did ?
 

Nehemiah6

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How did we get to the massacre in Las Vegas?

Just one word should cover it -- TREASON. This is at all levels of government over the past eight years, and it continues through the elected officials as well as through the Democratic Party. Good governance includes good law and order and good national security (including extremely secure borders and the coastline). Above all it includes weeding out all traitors from every level of government, and putting in place sound policies to protect ordinary citizens. It includes dealing severely with criminals, and preventing criminals from entering the country through porous borders. The justice system has failed to protect victims but actively protects terrorists and criminals.

ISIS has claimed responsibility for this atrocity, and it may well be true. Islamist radicalism has not disappeared, but the government of the United States is still dithering over how to protect its citizens, and stil promoting politically correct solutions . Jihadists have infiltrated the government and have built dozens of mosques to indoctrinate more jihadists. Nothing has been done about this. Not a single country in Europe has taken effective steps to deport Muslims or to deal with terrorists. Muslim migration into the West has been encouraged for decades so that they can eventually establish their Caliphate.

Anarchists are attacking everything that is decent and destroying property and monuments without serious repercussions. Sports teams are disrespecting the national anthem and the flag and getting away with it. So when anarchy is rife, is it any wonder that radicals of every stripe will feel free to massacre people? Expect more while the politicians spout platitudes and encourage the undermining of good government, law and order, and safety and security.
 

tanakh

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The United States is no longer united. Stephen Paddock was 64 years old. Probably born in 1954. Four generations past, from today (2017), would be around the beginning of the 20[SUP]th[/SUP] century. This was the time of the industrial revolution, centered around wealth, and the first world war. The Civil War was fought for that purpose of prosperity, contrary to popular belief, as were the history books’ false documentation in high school. The love of money is the root of all evil.

What have we turned a blind eye to in the last 100 years plus? I feel that we haven’t taken God’s perfect government into account for a very long time. Have we been praying the Lord’s prayer in vain, “thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven?” Is Las Vegas another harbinger (warning) given to us by the grace of God?

Exodus 20:3-6
3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

Revelation 3:15-16
15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
Human nature doesnt change whatever generation you look at you will find sin. The only thing that changes is the method used to carry it out. That is why the bible is as relevant today as it was when the scriptures were written.
 

trofimus

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I wonder how many bullet you can put oN one GUN. He kill 60 people and wound 500 + is one person did ?
He had several guns and guns are also possible to reload.

But of course, we do not know everything and all kinds of conspiracy theories can be true.
 

trofimus

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I can't give ya PennEd's response, but, I can give ya mine....lol

Because, America, the fading "light on the hill", as it is becoming; Can, and is still, holding those forces of evil at bay! No one, or, several countries allied together, DARE! Mutually Assured Destruction, would certainly come about! There would be NO winners! That's correct, sir! America would sacrifice OURSELVES! Not something evil forces are so WILLING to "pony up" to. That make sense?
Hm, no, it does not make sense to me... I am not sure what evil you think that America holds at bay. Mexico? (joking).

There were problems and wars before America, with America and also will be after America... its how life goes, God is the only one holding evil at a bay.
 

PennEd

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I can see the point that America is more influential than Spain or the CR.

But I do not agree that if America falls to evil, the whole world falls to evil. Why do you think so?
Simply more influential? I don't think you realize, neither do I believe most Europeans are taught, just how powerful the U. S. has been for the past century.

Not only is your country free of Soviet domination almost exclusively because of American economic and military might, but it would VERY quickly fall to Russia should a vacuum be created by America's collapse.

Trillions of AMERICAN dollars have been spent on Global defense, MUCH of it defending Europe, over those yrs. Enabling much of the continent to spend almost nothing on defense in comparison, freeing up money for social programs and health care.

If America were to fall the world be overcome by evil and communism would very quickly become the order of the day with Russia and China dividing most of it, and dictators in South America and Africa having much freer reign to terrorize their citizenry.

Now this situation can and likely will change as history moves forward. But these are the facts as we speak.

So in a very real sense America IS restraining evil, obviously through blessings from the Lord. That's why when we see evil and leftism gaining so much ground here we worry about the WHOLE world situation.
 
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Simply more influential? I don't think you realize, neither do I believe most Europeans are taught, just how powerful the U. S. has been for the past century.

Not only is your country free of Soviet domination almost exclusively because of American economic and military might, but it would VERY quickly fall to Russia should a vacuum be created by America's collapse.

Trillions of AMERICAN dollars have been spent on Global defense, MUCH of it defending Europe, over those yrs. Enabling much of the continent to spend almost nothing on defense in comparison, freeing up money for social programs and health care.

If America were to fall the world be overcome by evil and communism would very quickly become the order of the day with Russia and China dividing most of it, and dictators in South America and Africa having much freer reign to terrorize their citizenry.

Now this situation can and likely will change as history moves forward. But these are the facts as we speak.

So in a very real sense America IS restraining evil, obviously through blessings from the Lord. That's why when we see evil and leftism gaining so much ground here we worry about the WHOLE world situation.
And those Quran believers would want a piece of it too, then those three powers would be fighting to see which one would rule the world.
 

hornetguy

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Just look at The Gun Thread, so appropriate for a Christian site. It was not and would not ever be created by someone who is not American. In my eyes, non-Christian, anti-God, but in their eyes, true-Christian, and pro-God. No, just no. I observed that after the massacre people are talking about guns on it, as if that's appropriate, talking about shooting people at close range. That thread should be closed.
It's a good thing that your opinion means less than nothing on this forum.

You have some serious issues that are evident every time you enter a discussion about the US. Your attitude simply reinforces the "why" of the American Revolution, and the exhilaration most of us feel when we realize just how close we were to being stuck with folks of your social mentality.

Yes, I realize you think we are a "backward" nation.... I suppose it's because we haven't evolved to the point of beating each other to the point of death over a soccer or fut'bol game. :rolleyes:
 

trofimus

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Simply more influential? I don't think you realize, neither do I believe most Europeans are taught, just how powerful the U. S. has been for the past century.

Not only is your country free of Soviet domination almost exclusively because of American economic and military might, but it would VERY quickly fall to Russia should a vacuum be created by America's collapse.

Trillions of AMERICAN dollars have been spent on Global defense, MUCH of it defending Europe, over those yrs. Enabling much of the continent to spend almost nothing on defense in comparison, freeing up money for social programs and health care.

If America were to fall the world be overcome by evil and communism would very quickly become the order of the day with Russia and China dividing most of it, and dictators in South America and Africa having much freer reign to terrorize their citizenry.

Now this situation can and likely will change as history moves forward. But these are the facts as we speak.

So in a very real sense America IS restraining evil, obviously through blessings from the Lord. That's why when we see evil and leftism gaining so much ground here we worry about the WHOLE world situation.
So if I understand what you mean, you are talking about the 20th century, WWII and the cold war.

Empires come and go. Its on God, not on the USA. There were powerful empires before the US and will be also after... I do not think that world cannot continue without it. It would be different, as after every fall of some empire, sure.

When talking about global defense and security, the US destroyed many countries in last decades.

Is Afghanistan safer? Is Iraq safer? Is Syria safer? Sometimes its just better not to bombard everything we do not like. And Africa is one huge mess and almost always has been.
 
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trofimus

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neither do I believe most Europeans are taught, just how powerful the U. S. has been for the past century.
Yep.

The US citizens are taught how powerful they are, they must swear to the flag every morning in the school etc.

The Russian citizens are taught how powerful and glorious they are, they have many cults of personalities like Putin.

We, Europeans, have more mixed view of the world, because we are between you two. Our nationalism is more provincial like "we vs Germans" not so global like "we are the best nation under the sun".
 
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loveme1

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I think one of the Greatest deceptions is the American dream.. folks will realise that while they were sleeping much was going on around them.. the price of a slice of cake and eating it... we in Christ need to stop letting national pride blind us.. if we are One then our allegiance is to GOD and His Son unto the end... no tongue or flag should divide us.. for the Love and Power of GOD is Greater always and forever.
 

trofimus

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I think one of the Greatest deceptions is the American dream.. folks will realise that while they were sleeping much was going on around them.. the price of a slice of cake and eating it... we in Christ need to stop letting national pride blind us.. if we are One then our allegiance is to GOD and His Son unto the end... no tongue or flag should divide us.. for the Love and Power of GOD is Greater always and forever.
Yeah, our citizenship and the right allegiance is in heaven.
 

hornetguy

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I think one of the Greatest deceptions is the American dream.. folks will realise that while they were sleeping much was going on around them.. the price of a slice of cake and eating it... we in Christ need to stop letting national pride blind us.. if we are One then our allegiance is to GOD and His Son unto the end... no tongue or flag should divide us.. for the Love and Power of GOD is Greater always and forever.
I would love to hear you expound on this idea.. especially how the "American Dream" is such a deception?
 

loveme1

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I would love to hear you expound on this idea.. especially how the "American Dream" is such a deception?

Well where did the dream lead? Is the nation you abide not becoming a nightmare? Evil being pushed as good? We are witnessing where this dream leads.. and not only there but everywhere... you have D Trump as president.. and his opposition was the wife of a former president.. does this not look odd? Is there such thing as democracy.. or are you given the choice of blue or red and made to feel like you are involved? Yet there is one agenda that both blue and red must push..

Remember what the devil offered the Messiah in return for worship ? Let us not be deceived to think others have not accepted the offer...

I know where my allegiance is.. may GOD strengthen me.