For Calvinists: Do you skip evangelizing because God chooses?

[Depleted]

So there are several possible choices within the confines (yeah, I translated it in a dictionary )) of our nature, you say.

Is it certain which one you will choose or is it unpredictable?

There is predictability within our nature. Jesus even predicted what human nature decides each and every time. (John 3:19-20 again.) But we know what God has chosen, because he told us. The difference between human nature and born again is always in God's will, not our will.

 

[Jackson123]

Right!

Then again, there are 100% sinners who all deserve Hell, and yet, God had mercy on some. And because he must be just -- being God and all -- that he had to do that through his own justice system. His justice system says someone who committed no sin, can die for ones who committed sin. So Jesus took on the punishment of some, despite what we deserve.

Do you have a problem with him choosing you? I sure don't! I couldn't be happier he chose me, because I understand what I deserve.

So, still left with why God doesn't save all.

And truthfully, that one is a big question mark whether you're Calvinist or not.

You say because the person deserves not to be saved, and, yup. We agree with you. We just up it to, "and neither do we."

He declare : for God so love the world (j 3:16) to me it mean He want to save all

He declare :He do not want any perish (2 Peter 3:9) to me it mean He want save all.

So I do not believe He play favor. If He take me, not I am better than non save but because I chose to believe a Him.

I do do not believe loving God deliberately blocking people from believe Him so He can burn them and enjoy to see people suffer

 

[shrume]

Free will is your inept god.

Free will is not a god. It is something God gave us. It is part of the image of God we are created in.

Yep, you truly twisted the scriptures to make a god you wanted.

If you're saved, it's because you heard the gospel and chose to believe it, at which point you were sealed with the gift of the Holy Spirit (Eph 1:13).

 

[Depleted]

I understand what you mean with the cell, I am asking more into detail - whether the movement inside that cell is random or also predictable by God (or by anyone having enough of information) with certainity, in your opinion?

God got a huge fish in the right place and time to swallow a man, and then to upchuck the man to the place the man needed to be. And yet, the fish was living within its nature.

 

[joefizz]

is a matter of believe the Bible. For God so love the world, I believe He never lie, He did love the world

He don't want any perish. How He do? Beyond my capacity to understand, but for sure j3:16 is open invitation

John 3:15 and 3:16 are more of testaments that a person "can" be saved through Jesus those verses aren't referring to that everyone "will" be saved,and it is a testament of God's love,compassion and mercy,but it is not to be misinterpreted that God just forgives forever and offers salvation outright to even those who are against him,it says whosoever believeth upon him,referring to Jesus.
I don't think you quite grasp just how tough it is to believe upon Jesus,it's not something that a person just decides upon very quickly,because some things are tough to believe upon such as not being able to see Jesus,many in this world think God/Jesus doesn't exist just for that reason,so you see though John 3:15 and 3:16 speak on believing on Jesus to have everlasting life,this is not for everyone because not everyone can agree that Jesus even exists,so the promise is not open for just anyone,it is reserved for those who desire to learn of Jesus and be saved,not for someone who just wants to claim Jesus's name to delude themselves into thinking they can have salvation without knowing Jesus,though those scriptures refer to believing.
Think on it believing in and upon God/Jesus is perhaps one of the most tough things to do,because it changes everything.

 

[Depleted]

I believe God love both, and God give both the ability to chose because God love both, than up to them to believe or not.

Your believe system is God love one of them and hate the other. God love is all over in the bible

I bet the Pharaoh and all the soldiers and firstborns in Egypt were so excited to see God's love.

I bet the thousands and thousands God killed directly in the wilderness were thrilled with his love.

I bet the nations God said to slaughter were ecstatic with his love.

I bet the Edomites had a celebration of God's love right before God made them disappear.

I bet Satan and Jesus had a love-fest feast after Jesus told him to leave when Satan tempted him.

Frankly, you're delusional.

God's wrath has wiped out nations -- sometimes his own people -- IN THE BIBLE, and yet all you see is God's love? That is the very definition of delusional.

 

[Depleted]

You are free to chose what kind of food you Eat to day don't you

I think I'll go with a nice 10 pound lobster-tail dipped in hot butter. Some bacon on the side, Brussels sprouts roasted with sliced apples, a jar of peanuts, and french fries. For dessert, I'll have a German chocolate cake.

After, all I can choose my own food, right? So, feel free to send it to me. (I can choose it, but I can't afford it, nor could I eat 10 pounds and a cake, even if I could.) Oh, a catch to this. Even if you did, (which you wouldn't), you'd be killing me. No gall bladder, so I can't emulsify that much fat, and diabetic, so the cake will put me in a coma, if I'm lucky. Kill me, if I'm not.

So, nope. Can't even choose what to eat. My nature defines my will. Damn will still isn't free!

 

[CherieR]

Is is God through the foolishness of preaching Christ not ourselves . he is one one mind and always does whatsover His soul pleases .It is God who alone can make our hearts soft (creating a new) . We fear him because with him there is forgiveness. Without his book of the law the bible people perish just as with it those who crucify him over and over as if one demonstration was not enough they also perish .Better things accompany salvation called the actual redemption of our soul.And not a kick start places a person to where Adam and Eve where before God corrupted the first creation after they did the evil pleasure of another being not seen.His loving law is the determining factor. With it (the book of the law, the Bible) or without it... it presents the gospel .Romans 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law (Bible) shall also perish without law (Bible) : and as many as have sinned in the law(Bible) shall be judged by the law(Bible) ;

Are people ever in any way partly at fault for someone not knowing Christ? One reason why I ask this is because I have blamed myself some: Maybe if I was a better Christian or did not have these problems.... Then there are some people who leave church saying these people are a bunch of hypocrites...Is that just an excuse to the real reason they refuse Christ? What about the people who use the bible in a very preverse way as to abuse others when the bible is completely against abusing others? Are they partly at fault for someone's distain of the Christian faith?

 

[shrume]

I think I'll go with a nice 10 pound lobster-tail dipped in hot butter. Some bacon on the side, Brussels sprouts roasted with sliced apples, a jar of peanuts, and french fries. For dessert, I'll have a German chocolate cake.

After, all I can choose my own food, right? So, feel free to send it to me. (I can choose it, but I can't afford it, nor could I eat 10 pounds and a cake, even if I could.) Oh, a catch to this. Even if you did, (which you wouldn't), you'd be killing me. No gall bladder, so I can't emulsify that much fat, and diabetic, so the cake will put me in a coma, if I'm lucky. Kill me, if I'm not.

So, nope. Can't even choose what to eat. My nature defines my will. Damn will still isn't free!

You could eat that dinner.

You choose not to, which in your situation is probably a wise choice.

It is wise to choose to believe the gospel, and get saved. Anyone who has heard the gospel can make that choice.

 

[Depleted]

in a matter of chose the food yes, not totaly free Will, for Example we not free to chose to be a bird or Fisher. But not all our action dictate by God, If we kill or rob the bank, not because God dictate us to rob It is our own free Will, so does with salvation. If we chose to believe Jesus we save

If you are free to choose what you eat, then why don't you freely eat a sponge? A thornapple? (Poisonous. You really don't want to eat one.) One of those vent worms in the Mariana Trench? A skunk? Any mushroom you happen to find? Will yourself to eat what you want, because your will is free. So why not eat a sponge?

(And you can't say because it doesn't taste good, unless you've eaten a sponge before. And you can't say because you can't digest it, because it shouldn't matter because you have free will. You're the one claiming free will trumps God, so why aren't you freely eating everything?)

 

[Depleted]

No body force me to serve the Lord, It is my free will

Then why aren't you serving him? Because you're not. Instead, you're defending the inept god of free will.

 

[Depleted]

Read matt 22:34-40 than you know I am espousing Jesus teaching

Free will isn't taught in Matt. 22:34-40. And so far, all you've done was cite verses others have given you, so I'm getting to the point of thinking what you know you only know from someone else telling you. I'm not even sure you cracked opened a Bible at all, ever.

 

[Depleted]

You have it exactly backwards. People first hear the gospel, then choose to believe it, THEN they are sealed with the Holy Spirit (Eph 1:13). Being sealed with the Holy Spirit is the new birth. Nobody is born again before they choose to believe the gospel.

Peachy keen. So Jesus lied to Nicodemus!

This just gets worser and worser.

Heaven forbid, anyone just take God at his word!

 

[Dude653]

If everything is predetermined and there is no free will then evangelism would be pointless

 

[Depleted]

Who clicked the other Yes?

Do you have the strength in your commitment to answer honestly?

 

[trofimus]

If everything is predetermined and there is no free will then evangelism would be pointless

No, it would not, because evangelism would also be predetermined.

 

[Depleted]

Free will is not a god. It is something God gave us. It is part of the image of God we are created in.


If you're saved, it's because you heard the gospel and chose to believe it, at which point you were sealed with the gift of the Holy Spirit (Eph 1:13).

Oh, please! Enough lies being preached on here. No need to join in!

 

[joefizz]

Oh, please! Enough lies being preached on here. No need to join in!

Gasp people lie on here?

 

[IamWhoIam]

Free will isn't taught in Matt. 22:34-40. And so far, all you've done was cite verses others have given you, so I'm getting to the point of thinking what you know you only know from someone else telling you. I'm not even sure you cracked opened a Bible at all, ever.

Verse 37 is up to you, to love the lord with all your heart, God does not force that or give you the ability to love him,

God loved you first, now love him back with your heart.

 

[shrume]

Peachy keen. So Jesus lied to Nicodemus!

No he did not.

This just gets worser and worser.

Heaven forbid, anyone just take God at his word!

Indeed.

1 Tim 2:
4) Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

2 Pet 3:
9) The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Calvinism is not true.