sin unto death?

[joaniemarie]

Nehemiah, I've already posted that I'm sorry you feel this way but just because you "feel" this way doesn't make it so. No., it has not been established that I am a heretic or that I post heresy. This is your sad and false accusation against me as I am a another Christian member of CC just like you.

Yes Nehemiah, I am a born again Christian woman with just as much right to post what I believe the Bible is saying as you do. My posts have just as much a right to be here as yours do according to the standards of CC. and I don't believe you have a right to call me a heretic. I think that is against the rules here and if you feel I am a heretic., you should take it to the site organizers here and find out why a heretic is allowed to post daily on this Christian chat site.

The truth is I am not a heretic and you are falsely accusing me based on your own prejudices about certain Bible interpretations. There are thousands of Christians in the world who have many differing opinions about many different Bible verses who have written Bible commentary that thousands of Christians both agree and disagree with. That does not make them heretics. I already broached this subject with you on one of my threads in answer to your false accusations and you did not answer me there., but here you are on another thread making the same accusations yet again ignoring the answers I already gave you and also ignoring my request that you stop falsely accusing me.

 

[Amberlight]

Nehemiah, I've already posted that I'm sorry you feel this way but just because you "feel" this way doesn't make it so. No., it has not been established that I am a heretic or that I post heresy. This is your sad and false accusation against me as I am a another Christian member of CC just like you.

Yes Nehemiah, I am a born again Christian woman with just as much right to post what I believe the Bible is saying as you do. My posts have just as much a right to be here as yours do according to the standards of CC. and I don't believe you have a right to call me a heretic. I think that is against the rules here and if you feel I am a heretic., you should take it to the site organizers here and find out why a heretic is allowed to post daily on this Christian chat site.

The truth is I am not a heretic and you are falsely accusing me based on your own prejudices about certain Bible interpretations. There are thousands of Christians in the world who have many differing opinions about many different Bible verses who have written Bible commentary that thousands of Christians both agree and disagree with. That does not make them heretics. I already broached this subject with you on one of my threads in answer to your false accusations and you did not answer me there., but here you are on another thread making the same accusations yet again ignoring the answers I already gave you and also ignoring my request that you stop falsely accusing me.

So why are you heretic ?

 

[Dan58]

16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.

17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.



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what would you say a "sin not unto death" is?

and a "sin unto death"?

Any sin a Christian commits is not a sin unto death, except blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. Unless your Catholic, the Douay-Rheims reads; "All iniquity is sin. And there is a sin unto death" (1 John 5:17), the exact opposite of every other bible rendition. I guess that's why they need a Priest for absolution.

 

[joaniemarie]

so if christians sin too much God will take em out????? in this world i mean.

God) doesn’t punish us as our sins deserve. (Psalm 103:10, CEV)

The punishment that brought us peace was on him… (Isa 53:5b)

God is not counting people’s sins against them. (2 Cor 5:19b)

The very good news of Jesus is that your sins and my sins and the sins of Ananias and Sapphira were condemned on the cross and there is nothing left to condemn! God was angry with your sins, which is why he poured out his wrath and dealt with them once and for all at Calvary (Rom 8:3).
Those who accuse God of killing sinners are confused about the cross. God doesn’t kill sinners, he saves sinners. God doesn’t hate sinners, he loves them!

But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us. (Rom 5:8)
If God killed Ananias and Sapphira then the Bible is wrong and Jesus is not the Lamb of God who carried the sins of the world. (If you’re wondering about Herod, read this.)

There’s no shortage of sinners in this world. Why would God kill one couple and leave the rest alone?
I’ve heard it said that God killed Ananias and Sapphira to warn and purify the infant church. By making an example out of these hypocrites, the church would be filled with a holy fear and kept safe from liars and cheats. If so, then God failed spectacularly. Liars, cheats and hypocrites have always been with us, and there were plenty in the New Testament church.

I’ve also heard it said that God set up this killing to establish the authority of his apostles. Never mind that Peter had been commissioned by the Lord and filled with the Holy Spirit. Like a kid going through a gangster initiation he had to kill someone to establish his bona fides. How absurd! How utterly inconsistent with the message Peter had been commissioned to preach.

Taken from Paul Ellis discussion on Ananias and Sepphira.

 

[joaniemarie]

These discussions are very good to have and it gives opportunity to see what a wide variety of believers all over the world have discovered that maybe some of us have not heard before. Just because this isn't "old time religion" doesn't mean it isn't good stuff.

 

[joaniemarie]

So why are you heretic ?

LOL I'm not.

 

[AbigailZeke]

I see this happen often. I can live with people who have different beliefs, why can't they live with us? Lol.

Nehemiah, I've already posted that I'm sorry you feel this way but just because you "feel" this way doesn't make it so. No., it has not been established that I am a heretic or that I post heresy. This is your sad and false accusation against me as I am a another Christian member of CC just like you.

Yes Nehemiah, I am a born again Christian woman with just as much right to post what I believe the Bible is saying as you do. My posts have just as much a right to be here as yours do according to the standards of CC. and I don't believe you have a right to call me a heretic. I think that is against the rules here and if you feel I am a heretic., you should take it to the site organizers here and find out why a heretic is allowed to post daily on this Christian chat site.

The truth is I am not a heretic and you are falsely accusing me based on your own prejudices about certain Bible interpretations. There are thousands of Christians in the world who have many differing opinions about many different Bible verses who have written Bible commentary that thousands of Christians both agree and disagree with. That does not make them heretics. I already broached this subject with you on one of my threads in answer to your false accusations and you did not answer me there., but here you are on another thread making the same accusations yet again ignoring the answers I already gave you and also ignoring my request that you stop falsely accusing me.

 

[AbigailZeke]

I don't even see the point of this post?

So why are you heretic ?

 

[Nehemiah6]

Nehemiah, I've already posted that I'm sorry you feel this way but just because you "feel" this way doesn't make it so.

Feelings have nothing to do with this matter. Either a preacher preaches and teaches Bible truth or he does not. I have been showing from Scripture that Prince is perverting Bible truth but you have been consistently ignoring or rejecting what I have posted.

No., it has not been established that I am a heretic or that I post heresy.

I have not called you a heretic but I have said that you are promoting heresy, which makes you culpable with Prince. There is a sticky on Hyper-Grace and this forum does not accept the Hyper Grace teachings. Please review that.

Prince has not shown Christians from Scripture that they must deal with their present sins as instructed in First John. Now we have a thread on the sin unto death, and you are promoting the heresy which Abigail presented (as taught in her church) that First John is NOT addressed to believers but is dealing with Gnostics (as pertains to sin and the sin unto death). Then you came along and said "brother" can mean an unbelieving Jew out of context.

So what this shows is Joseph Prince's influence on your thinking that Christians do not need to deal with sin in their lives or the real possibility of premature physical death for failing to repent of a sin (or sins). It is a very serious matter to deny what Scripture actually says and pervert the truth. Then you posted the nonsense from Joseph Prince that God found fault with the Ten Commandments and that they are obsolete. You are not even searching the Scriptures to see how this man is teaching heresies, and you continue to post his nonsense.

 

[OneFaith]

All sins we commit are willful. every one of them.

All sins are on purpose, but willfully means premeditated without goal or effort to stop.

 

[joaniemarie]

I see this happen often. I can live with people who have different beliefs, why can't they live with us? Lol.

I don't know!

But I've noticed some in certain Christian circles believe it's their duty to fight and discredit those who are not 100% in agreement with their certain interpretations. This has nothing to do with the doctrines of Christ and or the other Christian doctrines we all hold dear in the Word of God as believers.

It has to do with interpretations of certain Bible verses that actually are MEANT to be discussed and in the discussion., helpful UNTO the edification of all. There should be no schisms. 1 Cor.12:25

[SUP]25 [/SUP]So that there should be no division or discord or lack of adaptation [of the parts of the body to each other], but the members all alike should have a mutual interest in and care for one another.

Each of us in the body should never sew discord or not seek to adapt ourselves so we can get along. It doesn't mean we disregard our beliefs and personal convictions or that we must agree with everyone. It means we let the "law of love" flow into one another and not the law of sin and death. We can harm each other and the whole body by allowing these schisms to rule.

We can do what is commonly called agreeing to disagree and do it while honoring each other. We're supposed to be looking at one another as we are seeing how Christ has looked out and is looking out for us. If we can't do that., than certainly we can't even hope to rightly interpret other Bible truths. There is no "defending the faith" when we are destroying a brother or sister in Christ.

 

[joaniemarie]

Feelings have nothing to do with this matter. Either a preacher preaches and teaches Bible truth or he does not. I have been showing from Scripture that Prince is perverting Bible truth but you have been consistently ignoring or rejecting what I have posted.


I have not called you a heretic but I have said that you are promoting heresy, which makes you culpable with Prince. There is a sticky on Hyper-Grace and this forum does not accept the Hyper Grace teachings. Please review that.

Prince has not shown Christians from Scripture that they must deal with their present sins as instructed in First John. Now we have a thread on the sin unto death, and you are promoting the heresy which Abigail presented (as taught in her church) that First John is NOT addressed to believers but is dealing with Gnostics (as pertains to sin and the sin unto death). Then you came along and said "brother" can mean an unbelieving Jew out of context.

So what this shows is Joseph Prince's influence on your thinking that Christians do not need to deal with sin in their lives or the real possibility of premature physical death for failing to repent of a sin (or sins). It is a very serious matter to deny what Scripture actually says and pervert the truth. Then you posted the nonsense from Joseph Prince that God found fault with the Ten Commandments and that they are obsolete. You are not even searching the Scriptures to see how this man is teaching heresies, and you continue to post his nonsense.

I'm sorry you are so resolute in your determination to point out our differences and not our common ground in Christ. If anything is "nonsense" it's that.

 

[joaniemarie]

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There are so many resources for us to avail ourselves to. Here is another excellent source and verses to explain why the 10 commandment are not written on our hearts. We never stop learning.




Here are seventeen reasons why God has not written the Ten Commandments on your heart:[/FONT]
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1. The law inflames sin (Rom 5:20) and the strength of sin is the law (1 Cor 15:56). Why would God want to stir up sin in your life?[/FONT]
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2. The law condemns (2 Cor 3:9), yet there is no condemnation to those in Christ.[/FONT]
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3. The law ministers death (2 Cor 3:7), but God wants you to enjoy abundant life.[/FONT]
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4. Law and grace don’t mix. You are under grace, not law (Rom 6:14).[/FONT]
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5. Living by the law will alienate you from Christ (Gal 5:4).[/FONT]
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6. Living by the law is cheating on Jesus (Rom 7). Why would God do anything to encourage spiritual adultery?[/FONT]
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7. We’re to live by faith but the law is not of faith (Gal 3:12). The law encourages us to depend on ourselves instead of Jesus.[/FONT]
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8. Those who live under the law are under a curse (Gal 3:10). Why would God curse those he has blessed?[/FONT]
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9. The law binds and enslaves (Rom 7:6), but Jesus wants you free.[/FONT]
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10. The law keeps you immature for it makes nothing perfect or complete (Heb 7:19).[/FONT]
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11. We have died to the law so that we may serve in the new way of the Spirit and “not in the old way of the written code” (Rom
7:6).[/FONT]
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12. When there has been a change of priesthood, the law must be changed also (Heb 7:12). For God to write the old law on our hearts would be like saying Aaron is greater than Jesus.[/FONT]
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13. God found fault with the law-keeping covenant and made it obsolete (Heb 8:7,13). Why would God insult his Son’s sacrifice by giving you the very thing his sacrifice rendered obsolete?[/FONT]
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14. The law is a shadow of the good things to come and not the reality (Heb 10:1). Why would God give you the shadow instead of “the good thing”?[/FONT]
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15. The Jews considered the law to be ordained by angels (Heb 2:2). If so, says the author of Hebrews, then it is inferior to the gospel of Jesus (Heb 1:4). Why would God give you an inferior gift?[/FONT]
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16. Some Christians think that God gives them the law as a guide to live by, but why would God want you to repeat the mistake of the Galatians (Gal 3:2)? Why would God do anything to make you fall from grace?[/FONT]
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17. The old law-keeping covenant required an accounting or remembering of sin, but the new covenant is characterized by God forgiving and forgetting on account of Jesus (Heb 10:17). If the law that God writes in our hearts is the law of Moses, then Jesus died for nothing.[/FONT]
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If God has written the Ten Commandments on your heart and mind, you should be able to list all ten with no trouble. Can you? What’s the seventh commandment? You can’t do it because it’s not there, and a very good thing that is too! If the law that God writes in our hearts is the law of Moses, you’re in big trouble.[/FONT]

 

[phil36]

God) doesn’t punish us as our sins deserve. (Psalm 103:10, CEV)

The punishment that brought us peace was on him… (Isa 53:5b)

God is not counting people’s sins against them. (2 Cor 5:19b)

The very good news of Jesus is that your sins and my sins and the sins of Ananias and Sapphira were condemned on the cross and there is nothing left to condemn! God was angry with your sins, which is why he poured out his wrath and dealt with them once and for all at Calvary (Rom 8:3).
Those who accuse God of killing sinners are confused about the cross. God doesn’t kill sinners, he saves sinners. God doesn’t hate sinners, he loves them!

But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us. (Rom 5:8)
If God killed Ananias and Sapphira then the Bible is wrong and Jesus is not the Lamb of God who carried the sins of the world. (If you’re wondering about Herod, read this.)

There’s no shortage of sinners in this world. Why would God kill one couple and leave the rest alone?
I’ve heard it said that God killed Ananias and Sapphira to warn and purify the infant church. By making an example out of these hypocrites, the church would be filled with a holy fear and kept safe from liars and cheats. If so, then God failed spectacularly. Liars, cheats and hypocrites have always been with us, and there were plenty in the New Testament church.

I’ve also heard it said that God set up this killing to establish the authority of his apostles. Never mind that Peter had been commissioned by the Lord and filled with the Holy Spirit. Like a kid going through a gangster initiation he had to kill someone to establish his bona fides. How absurd! How utterly inconsistent with the message Peter had been commissioned to preach.

Taken from Paul Ellis discussion on Ananias and Sepphira.

And yet God will condemn sinners to eternal hell..he doesn't send the sin to hell but the sinner. What Paul Ellis (I am assuming he wrote what you are saying?) is doing is taking the love God has for His people and applying it to all men.

I would be very careful about calling God a liar.

Basically what is said above is a spin on universalism, especially if you take it to its logical conclusion. If God has forgiven all men then why are they going to hell, that is to say, why would God send men and women to hell if he poured the wath he had for them in His son? You are basically saying God is injust!! for if what you have said above is true then that would include unbelief..as we were all unbelievers!

 

[Amberlight]

And yet God will condemn sinners to eternal hell..he doesn't send the sin to hell but the sinner. What Paul Ellis (I am assuming he wrote what you are saying?) is doing is taking the love God has for His people and applying it to all men.

I would be very careful about calling God a liar.

Basically what is said above is a spin on universalism, especially if you take it to its logical conclusion. If God has forgiven all men then why are they going to hell, that is to say, why would God send men and women to hell if he poured the wath he had for them in His son? for if what you have said above is true then that would include unbelief..as we were all unbelievers!

Who says God condemns sinners to hell ?
No you got that all wrong it is the sinner who chooses to go to hell by sinning.

 

[phil36]

Who says God condemns sinners to hell ?
No you got that all wrong it is the sinner who chooses to go to hell by sinning.

God! God will condemn them in their sin, but at the same time they are not going where they do not want to go.

 

[Amberlight]

LOL I'm not.

I mean what is the heresy you were "accused" of ?

 

[Amberlight]

God! God will condemn them in their sin, but at the same time they are not going where they do not want to go.

God do not condemn anyone who believes in him.
People who choose not to be believers condemn themselves by their own action.
It is all very silly say God "puts people in hell" he do not it is a choice.

Every single person chooses.

1. I go to God (heaven eventually to new earth)
2. I choose flesh (I go to hell)

God only gives us depending of our own choice.

 

[phil36]

God do not condemn anyone who believes in him.
People who choose not to be believers condemn themselves by their own action.
It is all very silly say God "puts people in hell" he do not it is a choice.

Every single person chooses.

1. I go to God (heaven eventually to new earth)
2. I choose flesh (I go to hell)

God only gives us depending of our own choice.

Hi Amberlight,

I think you have misread what I have said.. I know that 'there is now no condmenation for those who believe' but there is for those who don't!! All men are responsible for their decisions and God will condemn the unrepentant sinner. He has already said so.

Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God. John 3:18

 

[Amberlight]

Hi Amberlight,

I think you have misread what I have said.. I know that 'there is now no condmenation for those who believe' but there is for those who don't!! All men are responsible for their decisions and God will condemn the unrepentant sinner. He has already said so.

Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God. John 3:18

I think you do not realize the reason why people end in hell.
It is not result of God putting them in it.
God gives us a choice.
All this should be quite easy concept for anyone.