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And did what was right 
Regarding babies, mentally disabled people and similar, I think there are three possible views:
1. They are all saved because they do not have any sin. (God elected them all)
2. They are all lost, because they do not have any faith. (God did not elect any of them)
3. Some of them are lost, some of them are saved, based on God's unrevealed election between them.
1. They are all saved because they do not have any sin. (God elected them all)
2. They are all lost, because they do not have any faith. (God did not elect any of them)
3. Some of them are lost, some of them are saved, based on God's unrevealed election between them.
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Are not even babies, kids, mentally disabled and similar all accountable under Romans 5:12 & EPh 2?
Romans 5:12
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned
Eph 2:1-3
And you were dead in your trespasses and sins, [SUP]2 [/SUP]in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience. [SUP]3 [/SUP]Among them we too all formerly lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest.
Romans 5:12
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned
Eph 2:1-3
And you were dead in your trespasses and sins, [SUP]2 [/SUP]in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience. [SUP]3 [/SUP]Among them we too all formerly lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest.
Yeah, that's and awesome song... But to be clear...I wasn't talking about you or whoever "we" is, in my earlier post...I was talking about Calvin...
From what I have been reading, he definitely did not do what was right, at all...agreeing with putting people to death because they do not believe the same as you is definitely not of Jesus and is not right...
From what I have been reading, he definitely did not do what was right, at all...agreeing with putting people to death because they do not believe the same as you is definitely not of Jesus and is not right...
where does faith come from?
amen by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God!
by His word all things were made, and to Him are all thanks, for there is nothing good that is not given by His hand, formed by His will
For by the grace given me I say to every one of you: Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but think of yourself with sober judgment, according to the measure of faith God has given you.
(Romans 12:3)
(Romans 12:3)
amen by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God!
The hearing ear, and the seeing eye,
the LORD hath made even both of them.
(Proverbs 20:12)
the LORD hath made even both of them.
(Proverbs 20:12)
by His word all things were made, and to Him are all thanks, for there is nothing good that is not given by His hand, formed by His will
God is not in control of who gets saved. He wants all men to be saved (1 Tim 2:4). He is not willing that any should perish (2 Pet 3:9).
People have free will, and once they hear the gospel, they can choose to believe it, or not.
I'm not sure where people get the idea that babies are automatically saved... If someone knows of a verse, please post it. There is this:
1 Cor 7:
14) For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.
That could be understood to say that the children of unbelievers are not saved ("unclean").
People have free will, and once they hear the gospel, they can choose to believe it, or not.
I'm not sure where people get the idea that babies are automatically saved... If someone knows of a verse, please post it. There is this:
1 Cor 7:
14) For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.
That could be understood to say that the children of unbelievers are not saved ("unclean").
I think this has some other meaning for sure...Maybe that they receive better instruction if both parents are saved or something, but I definitely don't think it means they are lost and would go to hell if they die. I mean it isn't even saying what age the child is there so with that theory you could say a 30 year old is unclean just because their parents are...
Even in the Old testament God says that he will not punish the Children for their parents mistakes.
Ezekiel 18:20
The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
Even in the Old testament God says that he will not punish the Children for their parents mistakes.
Ezekiel 18:20
The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
If you read the text in its context, its very "calvinistic", so to say:
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"In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will, so that we who were the first to hope in Christ might be to the praise of his glory.
In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, who is the guaranteed of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it,e to the praise of his glory."
Eph 1
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1. We were predestined according to His will
2. Then we heard the gospel
3. Then we believed
4. Then we were sealed with the Holy Spirit.
5. Then we will receive our inheritance.
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"In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will, so that we who were the first to hope in Christ might be to the praise of his glory.
In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, who is the guaranteed of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it,e to the praise of his glory."
Eph 1
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1. We were predestined according to His will
2. Then we heard the gospel
3. Then we believed
4. Then we were sealed with the Holy Spirit.
5. Then we will receive our inheritance.