Not By Works

[Redeemed2015]

We Protestants will instantly think of Christmas and Easter if you say 'holidays'. So another word is indeed necessary to distinguish between the old covenant observances and our new man-made observances.

I agree with and recognize that perspective as well. I would only seek to observe the "Appointed Times" given by GOD rather than the man-made, pagan rooted, and unbiblical practices of Christmas and Easter.

 

[VCO]

Except for the fact Yahshua/Jesus was not born on Dec 25 or even in December, and "Christmas" is pagan ritual in our modern time, and the focus is on worldly possesions not Messiah... and called worthless in Scripture:

Jeremiah 10:1-6, "Hear the word which YHWH speaks concerning you, O house of Israyl. This is what YHWH says: Do not learn the way of the heathen and do not be deceived by the signs of heaven; though the heathen are deceived by them For the religious customs of the peoples are vain; worthless! For one cuts a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the ax. They decorate it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, so that it will not move; topple over. They are upright, like a palm tree, but they cannot speak; they must be carried, because they cannot go by themselves. Do not give them reverence! They cannot do evil, nor is it in them to do righteousness!"

Mat 6:19, "Do not store up treasures for yourselves upon earth, where moth and rust consume, and where thieves break in and steal. But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust consumes, and where thieves do not break in and steal; For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also."

Colossians 2:8, "Beware that no one leads you away like a prize because of philosophy or empty, false statements, according to the traditions of men, after the elements of the world, and not after the Messiah!"

The exact day does not matter AT ALL. It is the FACT THAT GOD CHOSE TO BECOME A MAN to become the Ultimate Sacrifice for all of mankind's sins except one, and since GOD IS AN OMNIPRESENT SPIRIT ALWAYS, only part of GOD could enter that body HE CREATED in the womb of MARY. BUT GOD being an Omnipresent, Triune, Spirit BEING, NEVER was separated from the SON, except MAYBE on the Cross. Sure the statement "Shepherds were in the field, keeping watch over their flocks", indicates that it was late October or early November at the latest; because unless it was an unusually warm winter, the flocks would have been corralled for the Winter long before late December. BUT WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES THAT MAKE? It is NOT Happy Birthday JESUS that is being celebrated. IT IS: GOD BECAME A MAN TO PERSONALLY DIE FOR MY SINS, that is being Celebrated.

And as far as the dumb theory that it is a Pagan Holiday, I got news for you; THERE HAVE BEEN ENOUGH PAGANS RELIGIONS TO MAKE SURE ALL 365 DAYS A YEAR WERE A PAGAN HOLIDAY SOMEWHERE. IT ONLY MATTERS WHAT THE WORSHIPPER THINKS IT IS.

 

[Redeemed2015]

The exact day does not matter AT ALL. It is the FACT THAT GOD CHOSE TO BECOME A MAN to become the Ultimate Sacrifice for all of mankind's sins except one, and since GOD IS AN OMNIPRESENT SPIRIT ALWAYS, only part of GOD could enter that body HE CREATED in the womb of MARY. BUT GOD being an Omnipresent, Triune, Spirit BEING, NEVER was separated from the SON, except MAYBE on the Cross. Sure the statement "Shepherds were in the field, keeping watch over their flocks", indicates that it was late October or early November at the latest; because unless it was an unusually warm winter, the flocks would have been corralled for the Winter long before late December. BUT WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES THAT MAKE? It is NOT Happy Birthday JESUS that is being celebrated. IT IS: GOD BECAME A MAN TO PERSONALLY DIE FOR MY SINS, that is being Celebrated.

In that case I suggest the celebration of Passover. As Yeshua is our Passover Lamb who was slain for our transgressions(breaking of the Law).

 

[dcontroversal]

Quote: "All workers rarely point to Christ or praise him. It is nearly always about themselves and their efforts to keep the law, keep believing, &c."

You make a rock solid point.​

What Are The Moedim?

Amen exactly why the number is plenteous that comes before his throne saying, "Have we not done....." only to be cast from his presence....

 

[VCO]

You sound just like a Pharisee looking down your nose as you scold him.

The Pharisees weren't defined by their legalism as much as they were by their vile hatred and disgust and cruel treatment for everyone who they considered ignorant of the truth and beneath them. Little knowing it was actually they themselves that had not the truth. You don't seem any more obedient to the Spirit of the law (love your neighbor as yourself) as they were. Am I wrong? Are you going to beat me up verbally for even suggesting it?

My, have you looked in the mirror lately?

 

[VCO]

In that case I suggest the celebration of Passover. As Yeshua is our Passover Lamb who was slain for our transgressions(breaking of the Law).

Yes I agree the Church short changes what they could have learned if they had made it a point to CELELBRATE all SEVEN FEASTS OF ISRAEL regularly.

 

[VCO]

We Protestants will instantly think of Christmas and Easter if you say 'holidays'. So another word is indeed necessary to distinguish between the old covenant observances and our new man-made observances.

Oh, I do not call it Easter, I prefer to Call it what it REALLY IS: First Fruits Sunday or Resurrection Sunday.

 

[VCO]

We Protestants will instantly think of Christmas and Easter if you say 'holidays'. So another word is indeed necessary to distinguish between the old covenant observances and our new man-made observances.

HEY EVERYONE, we got us a Volunteer to works the Holidays, so that the rest of us can have it off.

 

[TruthTalk]

Amen exactly why the number is plenteous that comes before his throne saying, "Have we not done....." only to be cast from his presence....

Yes and Phart will be first in line with all of his wonderful works. It appears that Phart is making friends with all of the "Jewish Roots" folks that are on your thread now. Perhaps he wants to become a convert and revert back to serving the Law of Mose's, instead of our Heavenly Father. Like the Preacher has said;

Phart and people like him don't have much to do or time enough to talk about what Jesus Christ has done, because they are too busy trying to keep there self saved.

 

[Redeemed2015]

Yes and Phart will be first in line with all of his wonderful works. It appears that Phart is making friends with all of the "Jewish Roots" folks that are on your thread now. Perhaps he wants to become a convert and revert back to serving the Law of Mose's, instead of our Heavenly Father. Like the Preacher has said,

Phart and people like him don't have much to do or time enough to talk about what Jesus Christ has done, because they are too busy trying to keep there self saved.

It is clear you don't understand, in the slightest, the beliefs about what you call "Jewish Roots".

 

[Redeemed2015]

Oh, I do not call it Easter, I prefer to Call it what it REALLY IS: First Fruits Sunday or Resurrection Sunday.

"First Fruits Sunday" isn't a thing. It's just First Fruits and it occurs during Passover. You don't observe Passover.

 

[dcontroversal]

Yes and Phart will be first in line with all of his wonderful works. It appears that Phart is making friends with all of the "Jewish Roots" folks that are on your thread now. Perhaps he wants to become a convert and revert back to serving the Law of Mose's, instead of our Heavenly Father. Like the Preacher has said;

Phart and people like him don't have much to do or time enough to talk about what Jesus Christ has done, because they are too busy trying to keep there self saved.

More than likely.....anyone who states that Jesus cannot keep them saved and finish or complete the work of faith he began in them has not trusted Jesus biblically IMV!

 

[dcontroversal]

Just a reminder.....

It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe <-----The simplicity found in Christ.

Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy has he saved us. <-- Past tense salvation according to mercy and not our works of righteousness.

In the grace you are, having been saved out of faith, and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God and not of works lest any man boast or brag......

It is a free gift based upon faith

He that believes on the son is having everlasting life.

Jesus begins, finishes and completes our work of faith....

Trust Jesus...he will keep his word and finish what he started..never leaving or forsaking us, but rather saving to the uttermost and keeping us by his power!

 

[dcontroversal]

I was tired hahah just had a iced cream coffee with 4 shots of expresso and 12 sugars......wide awake now hahahahhaha Give her beans captain and sally ho.....!!!!!

 

[SovereignGrace]

Yes and Phart will be first in line with all of his wonderful works. It appears that Phart is making friends with all of the "Jewish Roots" folks that are on your thread now. Perhaps he wants to become a convert and revert back to serving the Law of Mose's, instead of our Heavenly Father. Like the Preacher has said;

Phart and people like him don't have much to do or time enough to talk about what Jesus Christ has done, because they are too busy trying to keep there self saved.

Who is Mose and what law did he enact for it to be called Mose's law? Also, is there a Curly's and Larry's law? Lest not forget Shemp's, Joe's and Curly Joe's?

Nyuk nyuk nyuk nyuk

And I know it is Moe and not Mose, just poking some fun @ you.

 

[TruthTalk]

I was tired hahah just had a iced cream coffee with 4 shots of expresso and 12 sugars......wide awake now hahahahhaha Give her beans captain and sally ho.....!!!!!

Hey Decon, for those who are not aware of the Noahide Laws this short description may be educational to some. And maybe it will help you to keep your focus while you are enjoying your expresso and sugar restoration time.

Question: "What are the Noahide laws, and are they biblical?"

Answer: The Noahide laws are seven ancient laws that many people view as the basis of civilized society. They govern morality and represent the “bare minimum” of what God expects of humanity. They are called the “Noahide” laws because they are thought to have been given in their fullness to Noah after the flood. They are also called the Noachian laws, the Seven Laws of Noah, or the Seven Commands for Noah’s Sons (in Hebrew, Sheva Mitzvot B'nei Noach).

Here are the Noahide laws:

1. Do not deny God (no idolatry).
2. Do not murder.
3. Do not steal.
4. Do not engage in sexual immorality.
5. Do not blaspheme.
6. Do not eat of a live animal (no eating flesh taken from an animal while it is still alive).
7. Establish courts and legal systems to ensure obedience of these laws.

Are the Noahide laws found in the Bible? No, not as a definitive list, and they are certainly not associated with either Noah or Adam. Are the Noahide laws congruent with biblical teaching? The basic seven laws are congruent with Old Testament revelation. The Talmud calls for capital punishment for Gentiles who violate the Noahide laws, and this has led to some debate as to whether or not Christians (who worship Jesus Christ) are guilty of violating the first Noahide law and therefore deserving of the death penalty. The modern consensus is that Trinitarianism is acceptable among Gentiles. In any case, it is important to note that "we are not saved by rule-keeping; God requires faith in His Son" (John 3:18).

Attribute: https://www.gotquestions.org/Noahide-laws.html

 

[TruthTalk]

Who is Mose and what law did he enact for it to be called Mose's law? Also, is there a Curly's and Larry's law? Lest not forget Shemp's, Joe's and Curly Joe's?

Nyuk nyuk nyuk nyuk

And I know it is Moe and not Mose, just poking some fun @ you.

I should have said the 10 commandments - too late going to bed, good night

 

[TruthTalk]

Nyuk nyuk nyuk nyuk

And I know it is Moe and not Mose, just poking some fun @ you.

That was just a test SG to see if anyone would notice and you passed, yippy!

 

[dcontroversal]

Hey Decon, for those who are not aware of the Noahide Laws this short description may be educational to some. And maybe it will help you to keep your focus while you are enjoying your expresso and sugar restoration time.

Question: "What are the Noahide laws, and are they biblical?"

Answer: The Noahide laws are seven ancient laws that many people view as the basis of civilized society. They govern morality and represent the “bare minimum” of what God expects of humanity. They are called the “Noahide” laws because they are thought to have been given in their fullness to Noah after the flood. They are also called the Noachian laws, the Seven Laws of Noah, or the Seven Commands for Noah’s Sons (in Hebrew, Sheva Mitzvot B'nei Noach).

Here are the Noahide laws:

1. Do not deny God (no idolatry).
2. Do not murder.
3. Do not steal.
4. Do not engage in sexual immorality.
5. Do not blaspheme.
6. Do not eat of a live animal (no eating flesh taken from an animal while it is still alive).
7. Establish courts and legal systems to ensure obedience of these laws.

Are the Noahide laws found in the Bible? No, not as a definitive list, and they are certainly not associated with either Noah or Adam. Are the Noahide laws congruent with biblical teaching? The basic seven laws are congruent with Old Testament revelation. The Talmud calls for capital punishment for Gentiles who violate the Noahide laws, and this has led to some debate as to whether or not Christians (who worship Jesus Christ) are guilty of violating the first Noahide law and therefore deserving of the death penalty. The modern consensus is that Trinitarianism is acceptable among Gentiles. In any case, it is important to note that "we are not saved by rule-keeping; God requires faith in His Son" (John 3:18).

Attribute: https://www.gotquestions.org/Noahide-laws.html

I like the part where God said he winked at sin....and until the law came by Moses on the mount for 40 days in the wilderness.....many speculate about such things.......Amen to the faith....It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.....!

 

[Hizikyah]

Acts 17:30-31, “In the past יהוה winked at such ignorance, but now He commands all men everywhere to repent! For He has appointed a day in which He will judge the world in righteousness, by a Man whom He has ordained; and He has given evidence to everyone by raising Him from the dead.”