Not By Works
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EG isn't saying that we are not to do good works... What he IS saying, is that we are NOT to do them with the express intent of trying to keep and maintain our salvation..
There IS a difference between doing good works, and doing them for selfish intents such as keeping and maintaining salvation or trying to get into heaven based on how many selfish works we do.
There IS a difference between doing good works, and doing them for selfish intents such as keeping and maintaining salvation or trying to get into heaven based on how many selfish works we do.
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Please stop. I agree with everything you said above. If your not going to listen to people. Why bother talking to them.
How many times do you have to be told to stop telling people they believe things they do not, befor you start to open you eyes to see why they are saying that?
As long as you teach works are required to maintain salvation. You are in error. And teaching works top get faith, not works which procedure out of faith. Period
How many times do you have to be told to stop telling people they believe things they do not, befor you start to open you eyes to see why they are saying that?
As long as you teach works are required to maintain salvation. You are in error. And teaching works top get faith, not works which procedure out of faith. Period
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Dude you have no right to tell other people what their point was. You need to repent of your arrogance.
Sorry, but she was right, that WAS MY POINT< YOUR WRONG AS USUAL.
NO ONE can keep the law. NO ONE, the law was not given to make us righteous, it was given to lead us to christ. People trying to go back to the law to make themselves righteous are taking the law out of context. it was never made to be a guide to who is righteous and who is not, jesus prove4d this one thge sermon on the mount.
the Pharisees thought they were righteous according to the law. And did not need grace, thats why they crucified christ, thge jews tried to add their works to grace, saying we must have both, paul spent a lifetime trying to expose those hudiasers as false prophets and false treachers, even telling them if they want to follow one part of the law to be saved, they are indebted to follow it all.
They are no different that Peter. Love me and others who demand the cross is not enough, and that we must add our works to grace to MAINTAIN salvation.
Sorry, but she was right, that WAS MY POINT< YOUR WRONG AS USUAL.
NO ONE can keep the law. NO ONE, the law was not given to make us righteous, it was given to lead us to christ. People trying to go back to the law to make themselves righteous are taking the law out of context. it was never made to be a guide to who is righteous and who is not, jesus prove4d this one thge sermon on the mount.
the Pharisees thought they were righteous according to the law. And did not need grace, thats why they crucified christ, thge jews tried to add their works to grace, saying we must have both, paul spent a lifetime trying to expose those hudiasers as false prophets and false treachers, even telling them if they want to follow one part of the law to be saved, they are indebted to follow it all.
They are no different that Peter. Love me and others who demand the cross is not enough, and that we must add our works to grace to MAINTAIN salvation.
So so if I Keep the Lord's Testament I'm being selfish and earning my way in to heaven? You see I have no boast of good works I have my Faith in Christ who instructs us to Keep His Word which teaches us the Commandments of GOD.. We are taught to Love GOD and each other.. Now if I do these things because the Lord teaches this am I earning my salvation?
IF you're doing works only to keep your salvation, then YES, you are being selfish and trying to earn your way into heaven..
However, if you're doing works simply because God requires them in order to show His love to others through us, then NO, you're not trying to earn your way into heaven.
Good works are done to show God's love through us to others, and for no other purpose than that..
However, if you're doing works simply because God requires them in order to show His love to others through us, then NO, you're not trying to earn your way into heaven.
Good works are done to show God's love through us to others, and for no other purpose than that..
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IF your doing it to maintain salvation, Yes
If your doing it because you love God. No.
Should I copy and past this for further use next time people slander me and say I teach yes for both possibilities?
Again, if your doing it to maitain salvation, yes,
if your not doing it to maintain salvation, but believe your salvation is secure in christ and can not be lost, Then NO
If your answer is no. You have to explain why you defend people who think otherwise.
If your doing it because you love God. No.
Should I copy and past this for further use next time people slander me and say I teach yes for both possibilities?
Again, if your doing it to maitain salvation, yes,
if your not doing it to maintain salvation, but believe your salvation is secure in christ and can not be lost, Then NO
If your answer is no. You have to explain why you defend people who think otherwise.
I have nothing to settle with you eg... for it is neither about you or I... it is about the Truth according to GOD.
The Lord is clear enough that we are to have perfect works and not defile our garments if this is contrary to your theology then you should consider believing GOD.
We contend and GOD knows which of us belongs to Him.
We both believe we speak Truth and like I state before it is not settled between us.. GOD judge between us.
The Lord is clear enough that we are to have perfect works and not defile our garments if this is contrary to your theology then you should consider believing GOD.
We contend and GOD knows which of us belongs to Him.
We both believe we speak Truth and like I state before it is not settled between us.. GOD judge between us.
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Your right, it is not about you and I
it is about setting the argument about what each other believes. Your claim I falsely accuse you, so it is time you prove it with facts and not just your claim.
So are you going to answer and prove me wrong about what I say you believe, or not (which essentially is admitting I was right to begin with)
it is about setting the argument about what each other believes. Your claim I falsely accuse you, so it is time you prove it with facts and not just your claim.
So are you going to answer and prove me wrong about what I say you believe, or not (which essentially is admitting I was right to begin with)
That's where you are dead wrong.. God says NOTHING about having "perfect" works.. He says only to do them to show His love for others through us.. thus His commandment to "love one another as I have loved you". 