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God's true Church or followers, who are they?...............
God's true Church meaning; ἐκκλησία; ekklēsia; ek-klay-see'-ah = an assembly of believers; that have the Word of God and are sanctified by it.
God's Church is organized but it is not an organization it is the believers that are gatherer together in His name...
Matthew 18:20
For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
John 10:16
Other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
John 4:23-24
23, But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshipers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeks such to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Who are these people......
Revelations 12:17
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Revelations 14:12
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Revelations 22:14-15
14, Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15, For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whore mongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loves and makes a lie.
If we knowingly break one of God's commandments we are guilty before God of breaking all of them...
James 2:8-12
8, If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: 9, But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. 10, For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11, For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 12, So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
If we are following the traditions of man breaking God's commandments are we following god or man?
Matthew 15:3-9
3, But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? 4, For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death. 5, But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; 6, And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition. 7, Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, 8, This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. 9, But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Sunday worship is a tradition of man breaking God's commandments which was introduced into Christianity by the RCC. Who should we follow God or man?
In times of ignorance God winks at but now calls all man everywhere to repent and believe the Gospel. Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near: Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.
God's Sheep hear his voice...
God's true Church meaning; ἐκκλησία; ekklēsia; ek-klay-see'-ah = an assembly of believers; that have the Word of God and are sanctified by it.
God's Church is organized but it is not an organization it is the believers that are gatherer together in His name...
Matthew 18:20
For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
John 10:16
Other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
John 4:23-24
23, But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshipers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeks such to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Who are these people......
Revelations 12:17
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Revelations 14:12
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Revelations 22:14-15
14, Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15, For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whore mongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loves and makes a lie.
If we knowingly break one of God's commandments we are guilty before God of breaking all of them...
James 2:8-12
8, If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: 9, But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. 10, For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11, For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 12, So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
If we are following the traditions of man breaking God's commandments are we following god or man?
Matthew 15:3-9
3, But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? 4, For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death. 5, But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; 6, And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition. 7, Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, 8, This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. 9, But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Sunday worship is a tradition of man breaking God's commandments which was introduced into Christianity by the RCC. Who should we follow God or man?
In times of ignorance God winks at but now calls all man everywhere to repent and believe the Gospel. Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near: Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.
God's Sheep hear his voice...
I enjoy your posts, but want to ask about the "Sunday worship"
Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against YHWH, and will wear out; mentally attack to cause to fall away, the saints of YHWH, and think to change times and Laws…"
Catholic Record of London, Ontario, September 1, 1923 - “Sunday is our mark or authority...the church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact.”
Mattithyah 12:12, "And how much more valuable is a man than a sheep? Therefore, it is Lawful to do righteousness on the Sabbath."
Mark 3:4, “And he saith unto them, Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? But they held their peace.”
Mattithyah 24:20, "But pray that your flight will not be in the winter, nor on the Sabbath Day."
Matt 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."
Revelation 21:1-2, "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no more sea. And I, Yahanan, saw the holy city, YHWH Shammah, coming down from YHWH out of heaven, prepared as brides adorned for their husbands. And I heard a great voice out of heaven, saying: Behold, the tabernacle of YHWH is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they will be His people, and YHWH Himself will be with them, and be their Father.”
I believe the 7th day was, is and always will be the Sabbath of YHWH, that will never change, and I know the catholic circus fulfilled Dan 7 in thinking to change times and laws. But I have a question, when ou say "Sunday worship" do you mean worshiping on Sunday or thinking that Sunday is now set apart as THE holy day of Yah?
Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against YHWH, and will wear out; mentally attack to cause to fall away, the saints of YHWH, and think to change times and Laws…"
Catholic Record of London, Ontario, September 1, 1923 - “Sunday is our mark or authority...the church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact.”
Mattithyah 12:12, "And how much more valuable is a man than a sheep? Therefore, it is Lawful to do righteousness on the Sabbath."
Mark 3:4, “And he saith unto them, Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? But they held their peace.”
Mattithyah 24:20, "But pray that your flight will not be in the winter, nor on the Sabbath Day."
Matt 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."
Revelation 21:1-2, "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no more sea. And I, Yahanan, saw the holy city, YHWH Shammah, coming down from YHWH out of heaven, prepared as brides adorned for their husbands. And I heard a great voice out of heaven, saying: Behold, the tabernacle of YHWH is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they will be His people, and YHWH Himself will be with them, and be their Father.”
I believe the 7th day was, is and always will be the Sabbath of YHWH, that will never change, and I know the catholic circus fulfilled Dan 7 in thinking to change times and laws. But I have a question, when ou say "Sunday worship" do you mean worshiping on Sunday or thinking that Sunday is now set apart as THE holy day of Yah?
Great post LGF...but how does the MIRROR show the way ? you mentioned this several times so I guess there is something important i'm missing. I have always believed that 'the Word of God shows us the way to go. The analogy with the mirror Jas 1, is to see my own wretched state/condition and be moved to do something about it....turn to Christ the Word of God !!!
Hi Hizikyah,
YES, YES!! The Christian world has been deceived into following the teachings and traditions of man (Roman Catholic Church) over the word of God breaking God's 4th commandment. This is the great Whore called Babylon who is the Mother of Harlots (Fallen Protestantism) of Revelations 14; 17 and 18. The daughters are like their Mother.
God's Word warns all today that if we are following the teachings and traditions or man breaking any of God's Law we are committing sin and are in danger of God's judgement. Many do so however in ignorance and in times of ignorance God winks at but now calls all men everywhere to repent. God is calling His people out of these Churches to worship him in Spirit and in truth. These are they that hear the voice of the true Shepherd (the Word).
Matthew 15:3-9
3, But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? 4, For God commanded, saying, Honor thy father and mother: and, He that curses father or mother, let him die the death. 5, But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou might be profited by me; 6, And honor not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition. 7, Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, 8, This people draws nigh unto me with their mouth, and honors me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. 9, But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
James 2:8-12
8, If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: 9, But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. 10, For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11, For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.12, So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
Acts 17:30-31
30, And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commands all men every where to repent. 31, Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
The book of Daniel and Revelations go together and compliment each other. These are the two witness of the Old and the New.
May God continue to bless you as you seek him through His Word!
YES, YES!! The Christian world has been deceived into following the teachings and traditions of man (Roman Catholic Church) over the word of God breaking God's 4th commandment. This is the great Whore called Babylon who is the Mother of Harlots (Fallen Protestantism) of Revelations 14; 17 and 18. The daughters are like their Mother.
God's Word warns all today that if we are following the teachings and traditions or man breaking any of God's Law we are committing sin and are in danger of God's judgement. Many do so however in ignorance and in times of ignorance God winks at but now calls all men everywhere to repent. God is calling His people out of these Churches to worship him in Spirit and in truth. These are they that hear the voice of the true Shepherd (the Word).
Matthew 15:3-9
3, But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? 4, For God commanded, saying, Honor thy father and mother: and, He that curses father or mother, let him die the death. 5, But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou might be profited by me; 6, And honor not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition. 7, Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, 8, This people draws nigh unto me with their mouth, and honors me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. 9, But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
James 2:8-12
8, If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: 9, But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. 10, For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11, For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.12, So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
Acts 17:30-31
30, And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commands all men every where to repent. 31, Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
The book of Daniel and Revelations go together and compliment each other. These are the two witness of the Old and the New.
May God continue to bless you as you seek him through His Word!
I find this interesting...HOW does one make a habit of not remembering something ? you mean just to continually IGNORE it even though you ARE aware of it ? I would call that 'defiance and rebellion', not just a simple case of 'not remembering'....because one already KNOWS what God wants but just refuses to do it.
Hi sister Beta,
Speaking plainly now and not in parables.......
James 1:23-24
23, For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a mirror:24, For he beholds himself, and goes his way, and straight away forgets what manner of man he was.
The mirror is the Word of God. The Word of God through God's Law (10 commandments) shows us what manner of man we are, sinners in need of a savior. The mirror shows the way to Jesus (the Word) so that by beholding we might be changed..........................
2 Corinthians 3:18
But we all, with open face beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
Without the mirror we are all blind. The way is narrow we cannot find it with no mirror. Many throw away the mirror (God's Law) and say they see but do not know they are really blind. Those that look into the mirror know and see that they are blind and call out to the Lord to save them. The mirror shows us that we are poor, blind, naked and sick of whom it is written; They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick. But go ye and learn what that means, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. The mirror shows the way to Jesus (the Word) and faith is the victory!
He must increase (the Word) and I must decrease. We must point all to the Word of God because it is only there anyone can find Jesus.
May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.
Speaking plainly now and not in parables.......
James 1:23-24
23, For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a mirror:24, For he beholds himself, and goes his way, and straight away forgets what manner of man he was.
The mirror is the Word of God. The Word of God through God's Law (10 commandments) shows us what manner of man we are, sinners in need of a savior. The mirror shows the way to Jesus (the Word) so that by beholding we might be changed..........................
2 Corinthians 3:18
But we all, with open face beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
Without the mirror we are all blind. The way is narrow we cannot find it with no mirror. Many throw away the mirror (God's Law) and say they see but do not know they are really blind. Those that look into the mirror know and see that they are blind and call out to the Lord to save them. The mirror shows us that we are poor, blind, naked and sick of whom it is written; They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick. But go ye and learn what that means, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. The mirror shows the way to Jesus (the Word) and faith is the victory!
He must increase (the Word) and I must decrease. We must point all to the Word of God because it is only there anyone can find Jesus.
May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.
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Now it has been explained to me how you view the 'mirror to be the Word of God, His Holy and perfect law' I can see we are on the same level of understanding....God be praised !
I always saw the mirror as a means to expose my own flaws and faults but of course the 'correction was always in the Word of God....so basically we are in agreement...bless you all !
I always saw the mirror as a means to expose my own flaws and faults but of course the 'correction was always in the Word of God....so basically we are in agreement...bless you all !
Jesus is our great example......
Matthew 13:10-15
10, And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? 11, He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. 12, For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath. 13, Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. 14, And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:15, For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
May God bless you as you seek him through His Word!
Matthew 13:10-15
10, And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? 11, He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. 12, For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath. 13, Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. 14, And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:15, For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
May God bless you as you seek him through His Word!
sounds like yes, in your view, the general catagory of users here on CC,
such as myself,
who claim to believe in Jesus and to be followers of Christ
but don't remember the Sabbath Day
are not born again.
I see. How do you understand this from Romans,
"The Spirit itself bears witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God"
Am I decieved about the witness of the Spirit as well?
such as myself,
who claim to believe in Jesus and to be followers of Christ
but don't remember the Sabbath Day
are not born again.
I see. How do you understand this from Romans,
"The Spirit itself bears witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God"
Am I decieved about the witness of the Spirit as well?
"Remembering the Sabbath" is often understood to involve doing different actions on the other six days than on the Seventh Day.
so, we have the phrase "No one who keeps on sinning". The "keeps on" sounds like a lifestyle, a habit.
if not remembering the Sabbath is a sin, then we have "No one who keeps on not remembering the Sabbath."
so, we have the phrase "No one who keeps on sinning". The "keeps on" sounds like a lifestyle, a habit.
if not remembering the Sabbath is a sin, then we have "No one who keeps on not remembering the Sabbath."
LGF could you please explain what you mean when you say
God has his people in all churches
at face value this can mean that God does not have a special church of His own and it matters not which one His people attend. I'm sure you can not mean that....rather....
that God calls HIS people OUT OF all the worldly churches....would that be correct ?
God has his people in all churches
at face value this can mean that God does not have a special church of His own and it matters not which one His people attend. I'm sure you can not mean that....rather....
that God calls HIS people OUT OF all the worldly churches....would that be correct ?
Of course...to keep on doing something is a habit or lifestyle....
but once you KNOW 'NOT to keep on doing it' yet STILL keep on doing it must surely be a habit turned to rebellion. Once you KNOW you can not pretend not to remember...it's ALREADY in your memory (unless one is mentally lacking).
Seems there are a few twists and turns in this reasoning...typical of a natural man looking for an excuse not to remember...while all the time he KNOWS !
let each of us look at our own Doings and we will see the truth.
but once you KNOW 'NOT to keep on doing it' yet STILL keep on doing it must surely be a habit turned to rebellion. Once you KNOW you can not pretend not to remember...it's ALREADY in your memory (unless one is mentally lacking).
Seems there are a few twists and turns in this reasoning...typical of a natural man looking for an excuse not to remember...while all the time he KNOWS !
let each of us look at our own Doings and we will see the truth.
The Sabbath is for holy convocations and assemblies to be instructed in the Word of God.....
the other 6 days are for normal work Lev 23v2,3.
However, the NT is more relaxed on this and we are now allowed to do good works and have an easier approach to assembling in formal meetings...we can just spend time in the WORD and have fellowship with the Father and the Son when church attendance is not possible....since we won't find one on every street corner...perhaps not even every town.
When we are obedient to God the Holy Spirit will teach what is right and it is not essential for a human preacher to instruct !
the other 6 days are for normal work Lev 23v2,3.
However, the NT is more relaxed on this and we are now allowed to do good works and have an easier approach to assembling in formal meetings...we can just spend time in the WORD and have fellowship with the Father and the Son when church attendance is not possible....since we won't find one on every street corner...perhaps not even every town.
When we are obedient to God the Holy Spirit will teach what is right and it is not essential for a human preacher to instruct !
suppose I rephrase post 3270 this way
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No one who keeps on sinning has seen him or known him.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage...3&version=nirv
If we don't keep the Sabbath day holy by doing different activities on it, is that a sin?
we don't want to judge any particular person. But generally speaking, we can say that those who make a habit of not keeping the Sabbath day holy by doing different activities on it have not seen Christ or known him.
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If it is a sin, and has become a habit, the yes, that is rebellion.
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No one who keeps on sinning has seen him or known him.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage...3&version=nirv
If we don't keep the Sabbath day holy by doing different activities on it, is that a sin?
we don't want to judge any particular person. But generally speaking, we can say that those who make a habit of not keeping the Sabbath day holy by doing different activities on it have not seen Christ or known him.
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If it is a sin, and has become a habit, the yes, that is rebellion.