Not By Works

[Seohce]

That same subtleness is thriving in this time...

The Messiah was not teaching you that, that was taught to those in that day under the Old Covenant.. before the cross.. We are under the New Covenant. Sad because the Word was being Spoken to fill the bottles receiving the New wine to be shared to the whole world for sinners to be saved... yes, sinners like us that were dead in their trespasses on the path to destruction.. yet having been Saved by a Gracious GOD through Faith in His Son's Testament and full of GOD's Love we share the Truth we receive freely only to be called workers for.. I guess we are Workers for Christ .. and really that is an honour to be treasured always.

Amen!

1 Corinthians 3:9 For we are God’s fellow workers; you are God’s field, God’s building.

Hebrews 13:6 So we say with confidence, “The Lord is my helper; I will not be afraid. What can man do to me?”

2 Corinthians 6:1 We then, as workers together with Him, beseech you also that ye receive not the grace of God in vain.

ALL GLORY BE TO GOD!

 

[LoveGodForever]

You're just filled with false assumptions and accusations, aren't you? Bearing false witness still eh? Wow. Not born again behavior at all on your part.

I only share God's Words with you because they are Spirit and they are the truth and it is only in God's Word that anyone can find him who loves all. You share the books of man and the Word of website that support your beliefs. Who should we believe God or man?

 

[preacher4truth]

You share the books of man and the Word of website that support your beliefs.

Really, where did this happen? Show me. What books? What website? The bottom line is you're lying big time. Go quote where I've done this. You're bearing false witness. Again. Anyone here knows none of this of which you accuse is true.

 

[LoveGodForever]

Really, where did this happen? Show me. What books? What website? The bottom line is you're lying big time. Go quote where I've done this. You're bearing false witness. Again. Anyone here knows none of this of which you accuse is true.

I am telling no lies friend. It is because you support those that promote the Words of man over the Word of God. This is your belief. You say you know God and are a preacher for truth yet you do not know God's Word and you follow the teachings of man over the Word of God.

A preacher of truth only points all to God's Word because it is only in God's Word that anyone can find the one who loves all. Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of man or the Word of God?. If you know God's Word you would hear his voice. God's sheep hear his voice and follow the true Shepard because they love him....

 

[preacher4truth]

I am telling no lies

No, you're lying. Show me the books and website you accused me of using. Show us all.

 

[LoveGodForever]

No, you're lying. Show me the books and website you accused me of using. Show us all.

Friend, God is my judge his Word is truth. I judge no man. The Word of God has come to you but you do not believe him because you do not know him. If any man hear my sayings, and keep them not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. He that rejects me, and receiveth not my sayings, hath one that judges him: the word that I spake, the same shall judge him in the last day.

The teachings and traditions of man are found in the books, websites and the word of man. Many believe them and point all here over the Word of God. This is your belief and this is who you follow by your actions. If it is not true you would believe God's Word and hear his voice but you close your ears to hear and your eyes to see. Harden not your heart and you will hear his voice. His Word is love and love is the fulfilling of God's Law in us who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit....

 

[preacher4truth]

I judge...man

Go fetch where I've used books and websites as you've falsely accused. You did bear false witness on me. Fetch proof of your accusations.

Here again:

No, you're lying. Show me the books and website you accused me of using. Show us all.

 

[LoveGodForever]

Go fetch where I've used books and websites as you've falsely accused. You did bear false witness on me. Fetch proof of your accusations.
Here again:

Ok I did not want to embarrass you but here it is for all to see because you insist.......

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Here is a bit of info on these pushing SDA doctrine, such as LoveGodForever who deny this while claiming to be non-denominational:

"SDAs use an effective, but deceptive, method of evangelism Adventists are very good at using mass media and sponsor many localevangelistic meetings often advertised as non-denominational Bible lectures orRevelation Seminars. They continue to target Christians in other churches as wellas unbelievers and baptize people by the thousands in all parts of the world."

They do this so others won't catch on to the fact they are a cult.

Source: http://www.lifeassuranceministries.com/pdf files/sprolet.pdf

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I read this book years ago, and was shocked Walter Martin didn't include SDA as a cult. But, of course they lied to him and Donald Grey Barnhouse about their true beliefs when they formed a meeting to discuss what they believe prior to his writing of them in his book.

Walter Martin based his findings off of their discussion which was not forthcoming. He was lied to and was deceived by this cult.

An apology would be nice on your side now considering you accused me of lying when I have only been sharing the truth of God's Word with you....

 

[preacher4truth]

Ok I did not want to embarrass you but here it is for all to see because you insist.......

I do insist, and I am not embarrassed because you cannot accomplish that.

You accused my teachings as coming from books and websites. Neither of these are my teachings nor my websites as you've accused. I supplied one thing, and it wasn't a book. It is a site of a former SDA who has exposed you, and your false teachings. Those are documented facts, but are not my teachings.

would be nice on your side now considering you accused me of lying when I have only been sharing the truth of God's Word with you....

You are lying and making it appear that my teachings come from a book and website, both of which are false accusations on your part. You are still bearing false witness. Your website is filled with false assumptions, SDA heresies, blasphemous accusations, and propaganda. You can't even get the spelling of the book of Revelation correct.

The bottom line is you know what the Bible says, but not what it means. You need John 3:7.

 

[dcontroversal]

Sorry but the Bible says much to the opposite.

Some just don't want to face it because facing means actually giving up their life to gain Life.

They went out from us because THEY NEVER WERE OF US......<--explain this and the word NEVER and then come to the light!

 

[dcontroversal]

Yet the Word of God says.......

Hebrews 10:26-27
26, For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more a sacrifice for sins, 27, but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and a fierceness of fire which shall devour the adversaries.

2 Peter 2:20-22
20, For if, after they have escaped the defilement of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein and overcome, the last state is become worse with them than the first. 21, For it were better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after knowing it, to turn back from the holy commandment delivered unto them. 22, It has happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog turning to his own vomit again, and the sow that had washed to wallowing in the mire.

Hebrews 6:4-8
4, For as touching those who were once enlightened and tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Spirit,
5, and tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the age to come, 6, and then fell away, it is impossible to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. 7, For the land which hath drunk the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them for whose sake it is also tilled, receiveth blessing from God: 8, but if it bears thorns and thistles, it is rejected and nigh unto a curse; whose end is to be burned.

Who should we believe God or man?

We believe and use context...you should try it!

 

[dcontroversal]

NO, Easy Believism Preachers have LOWERED God's definition of what a True Believer actually is.

And you CERTAINLY ARE WRONG about what the BIBLE actually says:

1 John 2:19 (NKJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.

John 17:12 (HCSB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] While I was with them, I was protecting them by Your name that You have given Me. I guarded them and not one of them is lost, except the son of destruction, so that the Scripture may be fulfilled.

John 18:9 (NRSV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] This was to fulfill the word that he had spoken, "I did not lose a single one of those whom You gave Me."

Hebrews 13:8 (HCSB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever.

Amazing how many will say that the following were saved and lost it while ignoring 2 or three simple words...

I NEVER KNEW YOU<---the LOST many that get cast because they expected their works in the name of JESUS to gain entrance

The were NEVER OF US<---the lost that walk away having NEVER been saved

THE word NEVER is totally ignored and swept under the rug by ALL who say these two groups were saved and then lost it...ignorantly I might add!

 

[LoveGodForever]

I do insist, and I am not embarrassed because you cannot accomplish that. You accused my teachings as coming from books and websites. Neither of these are my teachings nor my websites as you've accused. I supplied one thing, and it wasn't a book. It is a site of a former SDA who has exposed you, and your false teachings. Those are documented facts, but are not my teachings. You are lying and making it appear that my teachings come from a book and website, both of which are false accusations on your part. You are still bearing false witness. Your website is filled with false assumptions, SDA heresies, blasphemous accusations, and propaganda. You can't even get the spelling of the book of Revelation correct. The bottom line is you know what the Bible says, but not what it means. You need John 3:7.

P4T, I see no apologies from you?

It is ok my friend this is between you and God. I do not judge you. Jesus says; If any man hear my sayings, and keep them not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. He that reject me, and receiveth not my sayings, hath one that judges him: the word that I spake, the same shall judge him in the last day. Let God be found true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou might be justified in thy words, and might prevail when you comes into judgment. This is the end of the matter; all hath been heard: fear God, and keep his commandments; for this is the whole duty of man. For God will bring every work into judgment, with every hidden thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil...........

 

[LoveGodForever]

We believe and use context...you should try it!

I have yet you still do not believe it..

 

[dcontroversal]

Is it better to serve God or man?

Jesus did both as the Son of God and the Son of man!

 

[preacher4truth]

P4T, I see no apologies from you?

I'm waiting on yours. Show me where my teachings concerning the Word of God come from books and a website as you've accused.

The fact remains your teachings come from William Miller and Ellen G. White and that is a fact.

Your linked website is laden with your heretical teachings.

 

[dcontroversal]

I have yet you still do not believe it..

Sorry man, but you have not....all you have done is cut and post scriptures to hang your beliefs on.....none of the three I addressed teach one can lose salvation....as much as you wish they did.....!

 

[dcontroversal]

I'm waiting on yours. Show me where my teachings concerning the Word of God come from books and a website as you've accused.

The fact remains your teachings come from William Miller and Ellen G. White and that is a fact.

Your linked website is laden with your heretical teachings.

A real eye catching website to boot..........kind of like how the fruit was pleasing to the eye.........

 

[LoveGodForever]

I'm waiting on yours. Show me where my teachings concerning the Word of God come from books and a website as you've accused. The fact remains your teachings come from William Miller and Ellen G. White and that is a fact. Your linked website is laden with your heretical teachings.

I share only the Word of God with you and point all to God's Word because it is only through the Word that we are saved. If you believe I am not sharing God's Word or not sharing it correctly please show me? My teachings are not mine but are from him who sends me. If you believed God's Word you would hear His voice. You do not hear him because you do not know him. If I only share God's Word why do you not believe it? Lets talk scripture....

 

[preacher4truth]

A real eye catching website to boot..........kind of like how the fruit was pleasing to the eye.........

The thing he is trying to convey in his bearing false witness against me is that my teachings come from sites and a book, which is a lie, and that his come from the Word only in comparison, which is another lie.