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So Dc I continually answer you, but Im still waiting for your reply, will you break these 3 passages down for me?

You are not getting what I am saying. Some obey Yah Commands/Law/Instructions/Torah because it is the right way to live, and they want to live for Yah. You seem to ignore this and go straight to justificaion by works. I assume this is why you seem to ignore or not believe many Scriptures like the following;

If not can you tell me your understanding of these 3 passages;

Revelation 14:12-13, “Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those guarding the commands of יהוה and the belief of יהושע. And I heard a voice out of the heaven saying to me, Write, Blessed are the dead who die in the Master from now on. Yes, says the Spirit, in order that they rest from their labors, and their works follow with them.”


Romans 2:12, “For as many as have sinned without the Law, will also perish without the Law, and as many as have sinned in the Law, will be judged by the Law.”

1 Yahanan /John 2:3-7, “And by this we know that we know Him, if we guard His commands. The one who says, “I know Him,” and does not guard His commands, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever guards His Word, truly the love of Yah has been perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. The one who says he stays in Him ought himself also to walk, even as He walked. Beloved, I write no fresh command to you, but an old command which you have had from the beginning. The old command is the Word which you heard from the beginning.”
 
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Entering the kingdom/salvation is obtained by the way Yah says.

Hebrews 11:6, “But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to Yah has to believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who earnestly seek Him.”

Hebrews 5:9, “And having been perfected, He became the Causer of everlasting salvation to all those obeying Him.”

John 3:36, “He who believes in the Son possesses everlasting life, but he who does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of Yah remains on him.”


John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."


John/Yahanan 5:24, "Most certainly I tell you, he who hears my word, and believes him who sent me, has eternal life, and doesn't come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life."

Of course we know without His mercy none will enter, this does not mean I can reject the narrow path.
Thanks...you teach and peddle a works based salvation.....why not just come out and say it....one more time I will ask a simple question....

Salvation....

is it by grace thru faith or keeping the commandments?
 

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Thanks...you teach and peddle a works based salvation.....why not just come out and say it....one more time I will ask a simple question....

Salvation....

is it by grace thru faith or keeping the commandments?
LOL, I posted the word...

We love Him because He first loved us, faith in Him brings mercy, that mercy produces us to want to do His will, without that none will see Yah. We are saved and given salvation by Him.

John 12:26, “26 Whoever serves me must follow me; and where I am, my servant also will be. My Father will honor the one who serves me.”


Malachi 3:16-18, “Then those who reverenced יהוה spoke often one to another, and יהוה paid attention and heard them; and a Book of Remembrance was written in His presence of those who gave reverence to יהוה, and who thought upon His Name; And they will be Mine! says יהוה of hosts. In that day when I make up My jewels I will spare them, as a man spares his own son who serves him. Then you will return, and again discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him who servesיהוה, and him who does not serve Him.”

Hebrews 11:6, “But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to Yah has to believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who earnestly seek Him.”

Hebrews 5:9, “And having been perfected, He became the Causer of everlasting salvation to all those obeying Him.”

John 3:36, “He who believes in the Son possesses everlasting life, but he who does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of Yah remains on him.”


John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."


John/Yahanan 5:24, "Most certainly I tell you, he who hears my word, and believes him who sent me, has eternal life, and doesn't come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life."
 

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 3:10, In this the children of Yah and the children of the devil are manifest: Everyone not doing righteousness is not of Yah, neither the one not loving his brother.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]3 John 1:11, “Beloved ones, do not imitate the evil, but the good. The one who is doing right is of Yah, but he who is doing evil has not seen Yah.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 2:3, “And by this we know that we know Him, if we guard His commands. The one who says, “I know Him,” and does not guard His commands, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever guards His Word, truly the love of Yah has been perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. The one who says he stays in Him ought himself also to walk, even as He walked.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 3:24, “And the one guarding His commands stays in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He stays in us, by the Spirit which He gave us.”[/FONT]
 

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John /Yahanan 17:17, “Set them apart in Your truth – Your Word is truth.”

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 14:23, "Yahshua answered, and said to him: If a man loves Me, he will keep My teachings and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him."[/FONT]



[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 119:41-42, “And let Your loving-commitments come to me, O [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]; Your salvation, according to Your word, So that I answer my reprover, For I have trusted in Your word.”[/FONT]
 
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Galatians is clear....

FAITH plus WORKS of the LAW = a false gospel, no power to save, double cursed and ALL who believe it are called foolish and bewitched.

FAITH ALONE saves...NO ONE can even UNDERTSAND the word spiritually, much less apply it unless they have ALREADY been born from ABOVE BY FAITH.

The natural man cannot know and or spiritually discern the word of GOD unless they are born again from ABOVE.

It pleased God, by the foolishness of preaching to SAVE them that BELIEVE! <-- NOT one word about LAW abiding and or works of the law!
 

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Hebrews 11:6, “But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to Yah has to believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who earnestly seek Him.”

Hebrews 5:9, “And having been perfected, He became the Causer of everlasting salvation to all those obeying Him.”

James 2:14-26, “14 My brothers, what use is it for anyone to say he has belief but does not have works? This belief is unable to save him. 15, "And if a brother or sister is naked and in need of daily food, 16, "but one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and be filled,” but you do not give them the bodily needs, what use is it? 17, "So also belief, if it does not have works, is in itself dead. 18, "But someone might say, “You have belief, and I have works.” Show me your belief without your works, and I shall show you my belief by my works. 19, "You believe that Yah is one. You do well. The demons also believe – and shudder! 20, "But do you wish to know, O foolish man, that the belief without the works is dead? 21, "Was not Aḇraham our father declared right by works when he offered Yitsḥaq his son on the slaughter-place? 22, "Do you see that the belief was working with his works, and by the works the belief was perfected? 23, "And the Scripture was filled which says, “Aḇraham believed Yah, and it was reckoned to him for righteousness.” And He called him, “he who loves Yah. 24, "You see, then, that a man is declared right by works, and not by belief alone. 25, "In the same way, was not Raḥaḇ the whore also declared right by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way? 26, “For as the body without the spirit is dead, so also the belief is dead without the works.”

Hebrews 3:3:18-19, “And to whom did He swear that they would not enter into His rest, but to those who did not obey? we see that they were unable to enter in because of unbelief."

Romans 3:28, "For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law.”

Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law* through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law*!"

2 Peter/Kepha 3:15-17, "and reckon the patience of our Master as deliverance, as also our beloved brother Paul/Sha’ul wrote to you, according to the wisdom given to him, as also in all his letters, speaking in them concerning these matters, in which some are hard to understand, which those who are untaught and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do also the other Scriptures. You, then, beloved ones, being forewarned, watch, lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the delusion of the lawless, but grow in the favor and knowledge of our Master and Savior יהושע Messiah. To Him be the esteem both now and to a day that abides. Amĕn.”
 
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Hebrews 11:6, “But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to Yah has to believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who earnestly seek Him.”

Hebrews 5:9, “And having been perfected, He became the Causer of everlasting salvation to all those obeying Him.”

James 2:14-26, “14 My brothers, what use is it for anyone to say he has belief but does not have works? This belief is unable to save him. 15, "And if a brother or sister is naked and in need of daily food, 16, "but one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and be filled,” but you do not give them the bodily needs, what use is it? 17, "So also belief, if it does not have works, is in itself dead. 18, "But someone might say, “You have belief, and I have works.” Show me your belief without your works, and I shall show you my belief by my works. 19, "You believe that Yah is one. You do well. The demons also believe – and shudder! 20, "But do you wish to know, O foolish man, that the belief without the works is dead? 21, "Was not Aḇraham our father declared right by works when he offered Yitsḥaq his son on the slaughter-place? 22, "Do you see that the belief was working with his works, and by the works the belief was perfected? 23, "And the Scripture was filled which says, “Aḇraham believed Yah, and it was reckoned to him for righteousness.” And He called him, “he who loves Yah. 24, "You see, then, that a man is declared right by works, and not by belief alone. 25, "In the same way, was not Raḥaḇ the whore also declared right by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way? 26, “For as the body without the spirit is dead, so also the belief is dead without the works.”

Hebrews 3:3:18-19, “And to whom did He swear that they would not enter into His rest, but to those who did not obey? we see that they were unable to enter in because of unbelief."

Romans 3:28, "For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law.”

Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law* through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law*!"

2 Peter/Kepha 3:15-17, "and reckon the patience of our Master as deliverance, as also our beloved brother Paul/Sha’ul wrote to you, according to the wisdom given to him, as also in all his letters, speaking in them concerning these matters, in which some are hard to understand, which those who are untaught and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do also the other Scriptures. You, then, beloved ones, being forewarned, watch, lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the delusion of the lawless, but grow in the favor and knowledge of our Master and Savior יהושע Messiah. To Him be the esteem both now and to a day that abides. Amĕn.”
Yep....BELIEVE in the death, burial and resurrection for salvation, justification, sanctification positionally and then sealed by the H.S. of promise UNTO the day of redemption......

HE that BELIEVES is having everlasting life.........

The JUST shall live by faith <---NOT works!
 

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Yep....BELIEVE in the death, burial and resurrection for salvation, justification, sanctification positionally and then sealed by the H.S. of promise UNTO the day of redemption......

HE that BELIEVES is having everlasting life.........

The JUST shall live by faith <---NOT works!
Yet faith without obedience is no faith at all;

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Habakkuk 2:4, "Behold the proud, his soul is not right in him; but the just will live by faith."

faith” is word #H530 Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar) 1) firmness, fidelity, steadfastness, steadiness

faith” #H530 Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
Feminine of H0529; literally firmness; figuratively security; moral fidelity:—faith (-ful, -ly, -ness, [man]), set office, stability, steady, truly, truth, verily.

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 3:3:18-19, “And to whom did He swear that they would not enter into His rest, but to those who did not obey? we see that they were unable to enter in because of unbelief."[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]James 2:26, "For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so the faith without works is dead also."[/FONT]
 

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Yahshua/Jesus is THE PROPHET we MUST hear AND obey:

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 4:25-26, "The woman said to Him; I know that the Messiah comes, and when He comes, He will tell us all things. Yahshua said to her: I am He speaking to you."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 5:24, "Most certainly I tell you, he who hears (191) my word, and believes him who sent me, has eternal life, and doesn't come into judgment (2920), but has passed out of death into life."[/FONT]


“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]hears” is word # G191 – akouó: to hear, listen, Original Word: ἀκούω, Part of Speech: Verb, Transliteration: akouó, Phonetic Spelling: (ak-oo'-o), Short Definition: I hear, listen, Definition: I hear, listen, comprehend by hearing; pass: is heard, reported.[/FONT]


“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]judgment” is word # G2920 - krisis: a decision, judgment, Original Word: κρίσις, εως, ἡ, Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine, Transliteration: krisis, Phonetic Spelling: (kree'-sis), Short Definition: judging, divine judgment, Definition: judging, judgment, decision, sentence; generally: divine judgment; accusation.[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 5:46-47, "For had you believed Mosheh, you would have believed Me, for he wrote about Me*. But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?"[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]*Mosheh wrote:[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Deuteronomy 18:18-19, "I (YHWH) will raise up for them a Prophet (Yahshua/Jesus) like you from among their brothers, and I will put My words in His mouth, and He will tell them everything I command Him. Whoever will not listen to My words, which He speaks in My Name, I will judge him for it"[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]"listen" is word #8085 - [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]שָׁמַע [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]shama` {shaw-mah'}[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]A primitive root; to hear intelligently (often with implication of attention, obedience, etc.; causatively to tell, etc.)[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar) - 1) to hear, listen to, obey[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John 3:36, “He who believes in the Son possesses everlasting life, but he who does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of Yah remains on him.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."[/FONT]
 
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Yet faith without obedience is no faith at all;

Habakkuk 2:4, "Behold the proud, his soul is not right in him; but the just will live by faith."

faith” is word #H530 Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar) 1) firmness, fidelity, steadfastness, steadiness

faith” #H530 Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
Feminine of H0529; literally firmness; figuratively security; moral fidelity:—faith (-ful, -ly, -ness, [man]), set office, stability, steady, truly, truth, verily.


Hebrews 3:3:18-19, “And to whom did He swear that they would not enter into His rest, but to those who did not obey? we see that they were unable to enter in because of unbelief."

James 2:26, "For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so the faith without works is dead also."
Nice Hebrews quote....had nothing to do with salvation and or deliverance from sin (EGYPT)......but rather was applicable unto the rest that a believer can find in this LIFE.....

They had already struck the blood, been delivered from bondage and had the picture of immersion.....one day you will figure out that HEBREWS and the warnings found therein are not applicable unto losing salvation.
 
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Gettum will de hots manz........gourmet friedz apousmz de bestezzzz :D

On the way back from Children's Hospital today in St. Louis on 21 South I seen that Arby's was serving deer "venison" on Saturday only......was surprised to see it.......
 

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Ecclesiastes 7:20, “For there is not a righteous man on earth who does good and does not sin.”

1 John 3:7, "Little children, let no man deceive you; he who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous."

Deuteronomy 6:25, "And it is righteousness for us when we guard to do all this command before יהוה our Strength, as He has commanded us.”

Psalm 119:172, “My tongue sings of Your word, For all Your commands are righteousness.”

Isaiah 51:7, “Listen to Me, you who know righteousness, a people in whose heart is My Torah: do not fear the reproach of men, nor be afraid of their revilings.”

1 Corinthians 7:19, The circumcision is naught, and the uncircumcision is naught, but the guarding of the commands of Yah does matter!”

Ecclesiastes 12:13-14, “Let us hear the conclusion of the entire matter: Fear Yah and guard His commands, for this applies to all mankind! For Yah shall bring every work into right-ruling, including all that is hidden, whether good or whether evil.”

1 John 5:17, "All unrighteousness is sin, and there is a sin not unto death."

1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."

Romans 5:13, "For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law."

Romans 4:15, "Because the law works wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression."

1 Corinthians 6:9-11, “Do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the reign of Yah? Do not be deceived. Neither those who whore, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor greedy of gain, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers shall inherit the reign of YHWH. And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were set apart, but you were declared right in the Name of the Master יהושע and by the Spirit of our Father.”

Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood."
 

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]2 Thessalonians 2:6-12, "For the mystery of iniquity is already working, but the One restraining him will continue to restrain him, until he is made to appear in the midst. And then that lawless one will be revealed, whom Yahshua will remove with the breath of His mouth, and make powerless with the appearance of His coming-- Whose coming is according to the energy of Satan, who works with all power, and signs, and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of sin in those who are perishing, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason, YHWH will send them strong delusion, that they would believe the deception, In order that all those may be judged as not having believed the truth, but as having delighted in sin."[/FONT]


“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]mystery” is word # G3466 - Mustérion, Strong's Concordance, mustérion: a mystery or secret doctrine, Original Word: μυστήριον, ου, τό, Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter, Transliteration: mustérion, Phonetic Spelling: (moos-tay'-ree-on), Short Definition: anything hidden, a mystery, Definition: a mystery, secret, of which initiation is necessary; in the NT: the counsels of God, once hidden but now revealed in the Gospel or some fact thereof; the Christian revelation generally; particular truths or details of the Christian revelation.[/FONT]


—[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar) 1) hidden thing, secret, mystery, 1a) generally mysteries, religious secrets, confided only to the initiated and not to ordinary mortals, 1b) a hidden or secret thing, not obvious to the understanding, 1c) a hidden purpose or counsel, 1c1) secret will, 1c1a) of men, 1c1b) of God: the secret counsels which govern God in dealing with the righteous, which are hidden from ungodly and wicked men but plain to the godly, 3) in rabbinic writings, it denotes the mystic or hidden sense: of an OT saying, of an image or form seen in a vision, of a dream[/FONT]


—[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Thayer's (New Testament Greek-English Lexicon) From a derivative of μύω [[muo]] (to shut the mouth); a secret or "mystery" (through the idea of silence imposed by initiation into religious rites):—mystery.[/FONT]


“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]iniquity” is word # G458 - anomia Strong's Concordance, lawlessness, Short Definition: lawlessness, iniquity, Definition: lawlessness, iniquity, disobedience, sin[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]"iniquity" is: #0458 anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1) the condition of without law 1a) because ignorant of it1b) because of violating it, 2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mattithyah 24:12, "And because iniquity will abound, the love of the many will grow cold."[/FONT]
 

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On the way back from Children's Hospital today in St. Louis on 21 South I seen that Arby's was serving deer "venison" on Saturday only......was surprised to see it.......
Thanks DC, I'll check out our local Arby's here in Lancaster, Ca. Our local market sells venison for $10 per lb. from New Zealand. I hope all is well with your family. Children's Hospital does great things.
 

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 25:31-46, "And when the Son of Aḏam comes in His esteem, and all the set-apart messengers with Him, then He shall sit on the throne of His esteem. And all the nations shall be gathered before Him, and He shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd separates his sheep from the goats. And He shall set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. Then the Sovereign shall say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the reign prepared for you from the foundation of the world, for I was hungry and you gave Me food, I was thirsty and you gave Me drink, I was a stranger and you took Me in, was naked and you clothed Me, I was sick and you visited Me, I was in prison and you came to Me. Then the righteous shall answer Him, saying, ‘Master, when did we see You hungry and we fed You, or thirsty and gave You to drink? And when did we see You a stranger and took You in, or naked and clothed You? And when did we see You sick, or in prison, and we came to You? And the Sovereign shall answer and say to them, ‘Truly, I say to you, in so far as you did it to one of the least of these My brothers, you did it to Me. He shall then also say to those on the left hand, ‘Go away from Me, accursed ones, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his messengers, for I was hungry and you gave Me no food, I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink, I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, was naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’ Then they also shall answer Him, saying, ‘Master, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not serve You? Then He shall answer them, saying, ‘Truly, I say to you, in so far as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into everlasting life." [/FONT]
 
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Thanks DC, I'll check out our local Arby's here in Lancaster, Ca. Our local market sells venison for $10 per lb. from New Zealand. I hope all is well with your family. Children's Hospital does great things.
AMEN.....my kid has spent about 2 years total in Children's and has had about 13-14 surgeries....both in Little Rock and St. Louis and they definitely do a good work......yeah if I want deer it costs me about $1.00 and a well placed round or arrow :) HHHAHAHAHHA mmmmmm--->deer tenderloin, fried taters and flakey biscuits and pepper gravy.........!!
 
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WOW.....on the tube a drag queen that is the worship leader of his church.............and his dad is the Pastor.......even more of a WOW.......!
 

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Then Abraham did nothing to deserve the Praise God gave him. The examples we are to be admonished by are worthless because these faithful did not "deny themselves" as Jesus instructed, God made them Faithful. The scripture you posted does not destroy the scripture I posted. God's Word doesn't work that way.

I know the game "many" play, the My verse is tougher than your verse game. It is foolish to play so I don't. I welcome debate and Biblical discussion, in fact I encourage it. The scripture you post does not destroy the point of my post. God is Love, therefore God's Word is love, therefore God's Laws are Love.

If you can, using Every Word of God, prove this false, then please show me. It is not
My desire to be nothing more that faithful to the One who died for me. That is my goal. I have already went through the humiliation of having church doctrine I followed exposed as false. I have to need to defend mainstream doctrine. I don't care about such things.

I would welcome a thorough examination of the scripture I posted if you believe I took them out of context.

If you are just going to say I'm wrong because you say so, as so many in Mainstream Christianity do, then no need to reply.

Thank you for your reply. I hope we can continue the conversation?
So you will not serve HIM, without PRAISE, and You would rather get to pat yourself on the back than GIVE HIM ALL THE GLORY AND CREDIT?


Romans 5:1-2 (HCSB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Therefore, since we have been declared righteous by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] We have also obtained access through Him by faith into this grace in which we stand, and we rejoice in the hope of the glory of God.

Sounds to me like you are the one who is craving the Praise. IF SO, good Luck with your craving for PRAISE, because I think you are going to be sadly disappointed.


Matthew 6:1-4 (HCSB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] “Be careful not to practice your righteousness in front of people, to be seen by them. Otherwise, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] So whenever you give to the poor, don’t sound a trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be applauded by people. I assure you: They’ve got their reward!
[SUP]3 [/SUP] But when you give to the poor, don’t let your left hand know what your right hand is doing,
[SUP]4 [/SUP] so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.