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Hizikyah

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SO people are actually thinking one dosen't even ned to continue in fath and they will enter in?

John/Yahanan 14:23, "Yahshua answered, and said to him: If a man loves Me, he will keep My teachings and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him

Matthew 10:22, “And you will be hated by all for my name's sake. But the one who endures to the end will be saved.”

Luke 9:62, "But יהושע said to him, “No one, having put his hand to the plow, and looking back, is fit for the reign of YHWH.”
 

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What you may not have heard about JUST AS I AM, and the time it was silenced by GOD.

[video=youtube;2yG1OmRBlwY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yG1OmRBlwY[/video]

Thank you VCO gave my wife a big hug and we were both blessed by this hymn and testimony.
 

VCO

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Originally Posted by PeterJens

Ok guys. You think to keep believing is not important.

So Jesus did not need to pray for Peter that he might keep the faith?

I do not understand to any degree that you have understood what Jesus is talking about.[end quote]


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You STILL do not get it, do you?

We do not KEEP our Faith. We KEEP BELIEVING BECAUSE OF WHAT JESUS AND THE HOLY SPIRIT ARE CONTINUOUSLY DOING IN OUR HEARTS. NOT BECAUSE OF WHAT WE ARE DOING IN OUR BRAINS.

Jude 1:24-25 (NKJV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling, And to present you faultless Before the presence of His glory with exceeding joy,
[SUP]25 [/SUP] To God our Savior, Who alone is wise, Be glory and majesty, Dominion and power, Both now and forever. Amen.

Philippians 1:6 (NASB)

[SUP]6 [/SUP] For I am confident of this very thing, that He who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Christ Jesus.



Galatians 2:20 (CSBBible)

[SUP]20 [/SUP] and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.

John 14:26 (YLT)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] and the Comforter, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things, and remind you of all things that I said to you.


Oh, how you love to take credit for what the Holy Spirit and Christ are ACTIVELY DOING IN YOUR HEART

Anything bad I do, I have to take full credit for those things, and ANY THING GOOD I DO, IS CHRIST IN ME DOING IT, INCLUDING CONTINUING TO BELIEVE.
 
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[video=youtube;8dosBnTaq6M]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dosBnTaq6M&amp;list=RD8dosBnTaq6M#t=150[/video]

Hillsong United is a worship band from Hillsong Church, Sydney Australia

Hillsong United Lyrics


"Oceans (Where Feet May Fail)"
You call me out upon the waters The great unknown where feet may fail
And there I find You in the mystery
In oceans deep
My faith will stand

And I will call upon Your name
And keep my eyes above the waves
When oceans rise
My soul will rest in Your embrace
For I am Yours and You are mine

Your grace abounds in deepest waters
Your sovereign hand
Will be my guide
Where feet may fail and fear surrounds me
You've never failed and You won't start now

So I will call upon Your name
And keep my eyes above the waves
When oceans rise
My soul will rest in Your embrace
For I am Yours and You are mine

[6x]
Spirit lead me where my trust is without borders
Let me walk upon the waters
Wherever You would call me
Take me deeper than my feet could ever wander
And my faith will be made stronger
In the presence of my Savior

Oh, Jesus, you're my God!

I will call upon Your name
Keep my eyes above the waves
My soul will rest in Your embrace
I am Yours and You are mine

You call me out upon the waters
The great unknown where feet may fail
And there I find You in the mystery
In oceans deep
My faith will stand

And I will call upon Your name
And keep my eyes above the waves
When oceans rise
My soul will rest in Your embrace
For I am Yours and You are mine

Your grace abounds in deepest waters
Your sovereign hand
Will be my guide
Where feet may fail and fear surrounds me
You've never failed and You won't start now

So I will call upon Your name
And keep my eyes above the waves
When oceans rise
My soul will rest in Your embrace
For I am Yours and You are mine

[6x]
Spirit lead me where my trust is without borders
Let me walk upon the waters
Wherever You would call me
Take me deeper than my feet could ever wander
And my faith will be made stronger
In the presence of my Savior

Oh, Jesus, you're my God!

I will call upon Your name
Keep my eyes above the waves
My soul will rest in Your embrace
I am Yours and You are mine

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Attribute: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillsong_United
Attritube: https://www.youtube.com/watch
 

loveme1

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We are the Church of GOD scattered far and wide let us learn from this below.. for contention was alive even then.. so consider how far the divide be in this day.. but may it be that we cast aside division and unite in Grace Love and Truth of GOD through Christ our Lord and Saviour's Testimony.

[h=1]1 Corinthians 1King James Version (KJV)[/h]1 Paul called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,
2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both their's and our's:
3 Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
4 I thank my God always on your behalf, for the grace of God which is given you by Jesus Christ;
5 That in every thing ye are enriched by him, in all utterance, and in all knowledge;
6 Even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you:


7 So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ:
8 Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.
9 God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.
10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
11 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.


12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.
13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?
14 I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;
15 Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name.
16 And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.
17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.



18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?



21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:



27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.
30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
31 That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.






To the Church of GOD for all that were called to be saints.

May we all be of Christ and Faithful unto the end.

Even as the Testimony of Christ was confirmed in us.. let us believe and may GOD be our Strength always and forever.




 
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Originally Posted by PeterJens

Ok guys. You think to keep believing is not important.

So Jesus did not need to pray for Peter that he might keep the faith?

I do not understand to any degree that you have understood what Jesus is talking about.[end quote]


><>t<><

You STILL do not get it, do you?

We do not KEEP our Faith. We KEEP BELIEVING BECAUSE OF WHAT JESUS AND THE HOLY SPIRIT ARE CONTINUOUSLY DOING IN OUR HEARTS. NOT BECAUSE OF WHAT WE ARE DOING IN OUR BRAINS.
vco - I am sorry. You are just putting words around a reality.

When you fall in love and are married you do not go, this is the reason why, this belief
or that idea. It is about commitment, faithfulness, emotions, giving and receiving.

If the relationship is dead, it is dead, if it is alive, it is alive.

Now all relationships need both parties to be involved.
Now if you want to say Christ keeps you in faith, that is fine with me.

All I am pointing out is if ones heart grows cold and love no longer dwells there,
salvation has no meaning.

The Kingdom is about this living love that dwells there.

Now we probably believe the same things and live in Christ the same way.
The danger is when believers start seeing enemies within the faith, and get discouraged to
walk deeper with the Lord and each other. Your words imply you have an issue with my
sharing, but I am honestly not sure you know what you are trying to point out.

I know Christs love and salvation in my heart and in my walk. Do you wish to encourage
me to walk closer and deeper or are you trying to knock me off the narrow path, or convict
me of sin?

Some feel that I am evil to suggest we can walk in holiness and righteousness, but that is
exactly what Paul calls us to do, as he lived an example of such a life.
 
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Why do you hate Christmas?
Because as a kid I spent all my Christmases away from home because my dad hated me. My sister died giving birth to the nephew I despise to this day. And my girl left me because she said I no longer loved her but loved money instead. And because my business partner died on Christmas Eve. Any more questions?


Oh, and by the way. How do you get away with having your avatar and I'm being criticized for having an avatar of a dead comedian?
Look at it.
They're too afraid to say anything.
 
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Originally Posted by PHart



If you stop believing you no longer fulfill the qualification of the one who Jesus said presently has eternal life.
Believe according to whose work of faith, as a labor of love???? The things of God or those of sinful men?

The faith of God in respect to the Spirit of Christ or that of men's imaginations after their natural unconverted hearts?

No man can serve two Masters. Again of God or of men?

Two sides of the coin. I find it interesting when those who oppose OSAS “actual redemption” and not a kick start placing them where Adam and Eve were before they transgressed one sin the cause of the fall. They who hope to be found with a righteousness of their own flesh are in effect claiming... once dead in their trespasses and sin they remain dead in their trespasses and sin . The other side of the coin.( ODAD) “once dead always dead” There simply is no limbo or purgatory in between.

The wage of one sin is still eternal separation from God never to rise to new spirit life forever more .

The OSAS side of the coin gives a new spirit and a new heart that will never die as our savoir works in us to both will and do his good pleasure..

It would seem you are offering another manner of faith other than the same spirit of faith according as it is written (the faith of God.) According to the “law of faith” below.

2Corinthians 4:13 We having the same spirit of faith, according as it is written, I believed, and therefore have I spoken; we also believe, and therefore speak;

The apostles in Luke 9 were found guilty of such a manner of rejecting OSAS and Christ rebuked them as recorded...

Luk 9:55 But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.

If a person does not believe unto the salvation of ones souls (OSAS) , as an anchor of the soul coming from a work of God’s faith or labor of His love it profits for nothing. That person has received their reward as false bragging rights showing their false pride. .

Crucifying Christ over and over because they have decided OSAS is not for them . I would say ignores the fact that he is of one mind and always without fail does what so ever his soul pleases.

God who has no form turns us. It was the apostate non born again Jew that turned things upside down as if the work formed the Potter, who was doing the work of forming Christ in his new creation. it simply takes away God’s understanding making it without effect.

Isaiah 29:16 Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding?

God reveals himself as of one mind, and asks the rhetorical question ..Who can turn him to change His mind?

He informs us he does what his soul desires that he always does. For he performs the thing that is appointed for us, a tip of the ice berg.
My foot hath held his steps, his way have I kept, and not declined.Neither have I gone back from the commandment of his lips; I have esteemed the words of his mouth more than my necessary food.But he is in one mind, and who can turn him? and what his soul desireth, even that he doeth. For he performeth the thing that is appointed for me: and many such things are with him. Therefore am I troubled at his presence: when I consider, I am afraid of him. For God maketh my heart soft, and the Almighty troubleth me:Job 23:16

This gives us great confidence knowing if he would mark our sin (one) against us who could stand in his presence and receive mercy and grace. We fear him aright because with him there is forgiveness he forgives every sin. Without forgiveness of one sin the soul dies

As he has declared “For he performs the things that are appointed to us” so that we can work out the purpose of His will as he does work in us to both will and do His good pleasure as a imputed righteousness . Like that of Abraham and Rehab in the book of James a imputed righteousness . No man could be found with one idea of righteousness according to his own good works.

Psalms 35:9 And my soul shall be joyful in the LORD: it shall rejoice in his salvation.

Hebrews 10:38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.

Hebrews 10:39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe "to the saving of the soul."

Hebrews 6:19 Which hope we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and stedfast, and which entereth into that within the veil;

The fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation is not reserved for those who have Christ as the anchor of their soul they know with Christ there is forgiveness it will devour them who least expect it . ODAD side of the coin.It does not devour those who believe to the saving of their souls (OSAS) the better thing that does accompany salvation. We are not the adversaries.

For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. Heb 10:26
 
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Because as a kid I spent all my Christmases away from home because my dad hated me. My sister died giving birth to the nephew I despise to this day. And my girl left me because she said I no longer loved her but loved money instead. And because my business partner died on Christmas Eve. Any more questions?


Look at it.
They're too afraid to say anything.
Au contraire..lol.. your avatar isn't scary.. :)
 

loveme1

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Thanks for the info Blue.

p.s I know your pic is not you... is it? Hehe
 
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Originally Posted by PeterJens

Ok guys. You think to keep believing is not important.

So Jesus did not need to pray for Peter that he might keep the faith?

I do not understand to any degree that you have understood what Jesus is talking about.[end quote]


><>t<><

You STILL do not get it, do you?

We do not KEEP our Faith. We KEEP BELIEVING BECAUSE OF WHAT JESUS AND THE HOLY SPIRIT ARE CONTINUOUSLY DOING IN OUR HEARTS. NOT BECAUSE OF WHAT WE ARE DOING IN OUR BRAINS.

Jude 1:24-25 (NKJV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling, And to present you faultless Before the presence of His glory with exceeding joy,
[SUP]25 [/SUP] To God our Savior, Who alone is wise, Be glory and majesty, Dominion and power, Both now and forever. Amen.

Philippians 1:6 (NASB)

[SUP]6 [/SUP] For I am confident of this very thing, that He who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Christ Jesus.



Galatians 2:20 (CSBBible)

[SUP]20 [/SUP] and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.

John 14:26 (YLT)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] and the Comforter, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things, and remind you of all things that I said to you.


Oh, how you love to take credit for what the Holy Spirit and Christ are ACTIVELY DOING IN YOUR HEART

Anything bad I do, I have to take full credit for those things, and ANY THING GOOD I DO, IS CHRIST IN ME DOING IT, INCLUDING CONTINUING TO BELIEVE.
At the end of the day it boils down to the simple fact that they trust themselves and their power over the power and promises of Christ......they reject and flat out deny that JESUS begins, finishes and completes the work of faith in us.....HE is the one who finishes and completes....NOT US.....to say I MUST places emphasis upon US and what WE do and NOT on CHRIST and what HE DOES......at it's heart, their view is no different that what Lucifer did when he fell....I WILL........
 
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This is taking your interpretation of Jesus and what He means, and then saying this
is the truth, and to contradict it is to then say He is lying.
Hi Peter...

What if some do not believe to the salvation of their soul(OSAS) .Will it make the faith of God through the Spirit of Christ that works in the believer without effect? If so how can we let God not seen be true and every man a lair? Guess?

It’s taking His interpretation and rightly dividing it according to His work of faith that works towards us as His prescribed way of seeking His approval. Not offering a dead faith that can only produce dead works (faith is a work) and offering it towards Him. Why would you crucify Christ over and over? Is that your way of rejecting OSAS?


Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. Heb 6:1
 
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Because as a kid I spent all my Christmases away from home because my dad hated me. My sister died giving birth to the nephew I despise to this day. And my girl left me because she said I no longer loved her but loved money instead. And because my business partner died on Christmas Eve. Any more questions?
Celebrating the birth of the Son of man on the wrong day in respect to his corrupted flesh in which he says could not profit does not seem like a good idea to throw out the baby before he does the work of paying for our sins. He received the power to forgive because of the Spirit of holiness (not the flesh) by the resurrection, not in respect to the birth and the corrupted flesh, it died.

If you want to hate him make your reason coincide more with Easter.Then you can be your own god and violate the warning not to have gods before Him .

Romans 1:4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:
 

Hizikyah

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Psalm 119:63, "I am a companion of all who fear You, And of those guarding Your orders."119:64, "O יהוה, Your loving-commitment has filled the earth; Teach me Your laws."119:65, "Tet You have done good to Your servant, O יהוה, According to Your word."119:66, "Teach me good sense and knowledge, For I have trusted in Your commands."119:67, "Before I was afflicted I myself was going astray, But now I have guarded Your word."119:68, "You are good, and do good; Teach me Your laws."119:69, "The proud have forged a lie against me, With all my heart I observe Your orders."
 

loveme1

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At the end of the day it boils down to the simple fact that they trust themselves and their power over the power and promises of Christ......they reject and flat out deny that JESUS begins, finishes and completes the work of faith in us.....HE is the one who finishes and completes....NOT US.....to say I MUST places emphasis upon US and what WE do and NOT on CHRIST and what HE DOES......at it's heart, their view is no different that what Lucifer did when he fell....I WILL........
To obey Christ's Instructions is not comparable to lucifer' fall.. what type of belief system are you partaking in?

Children of GOD are obedient through their Faith in the Messiah. We are to walk in the Truth... it is what we do after hearing and believing the Gospel..

The power of GOD is able to make us His Saints through Faith in His Son... nothing is impossible for those that believe.. because GOD be their strength always..

The Faith of Abraham... GOD gave instruction and Abraham obeyed... because He believed GOD.

No different to Christians, Christ instructs we do because we believe Him and if He wants us to be perfect then Believe Him... keeping His Word is the true way that Christ finishes what He began... for we believe unto the saving of our souls to be counted worthy and not defile our garments like He warned...
 

loveme1

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Abraham could of said I believe and then not be moved.. but no.. He believed and by His works His Faith was made perfect.. all by the power of GOD given to those that Believe..