Sabbath

garee · Oct 21, 2017

God who is not a man as us uses human terms to help us understand his immutable attributes. But eternal Spirit(one) never becomes a literal father or a Son. You could say in the same way He is not a lamb but use those terms as parables using the things seen the temporal to reveal the spiritual unseen.

He remains without mother or father and is without nature, (no beginning of Spirit life or end thereof)

A distinction must be made between an earthy father and one who calls himself a father. Call no man on earth father, for God is not a man as us.One is is our God in heaven .Not two a father and a Son

He is one eternal Spirit. bearing meaning of His statement …The father and I are one. Not will be but always were continually.

God cannot create another God as one that has a beginning.

The father being greater has to do with position not person. Its is two working together as one that defines a relationship of comappring the thoughts of God to the thoughts of God.Faith the unseen to the same unseen faith. God who is of one mind always does whatsoever His soul pleases. He does not have two souls.

It was a mutual work of one God using the name father and Son working together in perfect harmony and submission to one another that does bring of the peace of one God that gives us his understanding, not a human understanding

The Son of man came to outwardly demonstrate the promise in Isaiah 53 of two working together as one God. Again greater position not greater person.

It is the same principle applied to husband and wife mankind, one creation . The husband is a in a greater position but not a greater person.

LoveGodForever · Oct 21, 2017

phil36 said:

Hi Phil,

You do not need to give me any answers my friend or do I expect any answers from you. If you cannot answer the scriptures in posts # 3525; 3537; 3538; 3539; 3540;3547 this is between you and God. It is the Word of God that will testify for us or against us in the last days . It is only to God that all of us need to answer to for the things that we do.

As for me I must believe and follow God's Word because I love him and it is only because of love I am free to follow him because he calls me to walk on water. If I take my eyes off him I will sink and drown. I know him and he knows me because I am in him and he is in me. Without him I can do nothing but with in I can do all things because in my weakness his strength is made perfect. Who am I that he should call me? I am the lost the blind the deaf the sick in sin but through his love He calls me and bids me walk. I see him through the mirror that shows the way and by beholding he changes me. My love is the power of creation. The creator of all things to those who believe. Shall anything be impossible unto him? Many will not believe him or know that he has the power to save all those that he calls because seeing they see not and hearing they see not or understand, but those that see they are blind and call on him will see, those that know they are deaf will hear and those that know they are lame will walk because they believe him who loves all and he bids them come.

God's Word is the true witness that shows all, the way. The one who knows all says, they that say they see will not see and those that be whole do not need a physician. He bids us go learn what that means. You can only see yourself in the mirror. If your mirror is lost or broken how can you see yourself and find him who loves all?

You say that you always want to bring the conversation back to Christ but you have not heard him or see him because he is the Word which is calling us. He is calling all but many do not hear him because He is the small voice behind us saying this is the way, please walk in it. Many do not want to hear him. His Word is light and it shined in darkness but the darkness did not understand because men loved darkness more then the light because their deeds were evil. But as many as receive him, to them he gives the power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which are born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Only God's Word is truth and it is written he that says I know him and does not keep his commandments is a liar and the truth is not in him. These do not know him who loves and calls all. For this reason it is written; If any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. He that rejects me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Who will hear his voice calling? He that has an ear to hear let him hear. He is the small voice behind us saying this is the way, please walk in it. Repent for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand. Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.... It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. We must obey God over the teachings and traditions of man that break the commandments of God.

God's Sheep hear His Voice...

Rokurac · Oct 21, 2017

LoveGodForever do you believe 10 commandments are different from the other holy days and rules in the OT? Why?

LoveGodForever · Oct 21, 2017

Rokurac said:

Hi Rokurac,

So nice to meet you friend. Much of what you ask is already answered in the linked posts below
posts # 3525; 3537; 3538; 3539; 3540;3547

Hope they help.

May God bless you as you seek him who loves all through His Word..

Rokurac · Oct 21, 2017

LoveGodForever said:

God wrote the ten commandments with His finger in the stone tablets. but the law of moses was in a book in the ark.
Ok!

phil36 · Oct 21, 2017

LoveGodForever said:

Hi Phil,

You do not need to give me any answers my friend or do I expect any answers from you. If you cannot answer the scriptures in posts # 3525; 3537; 3538; 3539; 3540;3547 this is between you and God. It is the Word of God that will testify for us or against us in the last days . It is only to God that all of us need to answer to for the things that we do.

As for me I must believe and follow God's Word because I love him and it is only because of love I am free to follow him because he calls me to walk on water. If I take my eyes off him I will sink and drown. I know him and he knows me because I am in him and he is in me. Without him I can do nothing but with in I can do all things because in my weakness his strength is made perfect. Who am I that he should call me? I am the lost the blind the deaf the sick in sin but through his love He calls me and bids me walk. I see him through the mirror that shows the way and by beholding he changes me. My love is the power of creation. The creator of all things to those who believe. Shall anything be impossible unto him? Many will not believe him or know that he has the power to save all those that he calls because seeing they see not and hearing they see not or understand, but those that see they are blind and call on him will see, those that know they are deaf will hear and those that know they are lame will walk because they believe him who loves all and he bids them come.

God's Word is the true witness that shows all, the way. The one who knows all says, they that say they see will not see and those that be whole do not need a physician. He bids us go learn what that means. You can only see yourself in the mirror. If your mirror is lost or broken how can you see yourself and find him who loves all?

You say that you always want to bring the conversation back to Christ but you have not heard him or see him because he is the Word which is calling us. He is calling all but many do not hear him because He is the small voice behind us saying this is the way, please walk in it. Many do not want to hear him. His Word is light and it shined in darkness but the darkness did not understand because men loved darkness more then the light because their deeds were evil. But as many as receive him, to them he gives the power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which are born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Only God's Word is truth and it is written he that says I know him and does not keep his commandments is a liar and the truth is not in him. These do not know him who loves and calls all. For this reason it is written; If any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. He that rejects me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Who will hear his voice calling? He that has an ear to hear let him hear. He is the small voice behind us saying this is the way, please walk in it. Repent for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand. Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.... It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. We must obey God over the teachings and traditions of man that break the commandments of God.

God's Sheep hear His Voice...

Hi lovegodforever,

As I said, I haven't got the time to read through reams of copy and paste posts, not that I can't answer.

Anyhow, what do you think of what I said here:

There are roughly a few ideas on Sabbath: (there are smaller fringe groups with various ideas)

1) Seventh Adventist (cult) Strict Sabbatarians...
2) Christians who now see the Lords day as Christian Sabbath (Moral law is binding)
3) Christians who say the Ten commandments are no longer binding

I've over time been between both no 2 and 3, Settled on (2 )now for very good reasons! But what we do know is that we like the NT church celebrate our rest on the Lord's day (Sunday). But if you are only of work on Wednesday, then thats your day of rest, if you are only of work on a Thursday thats your day of rest (Rom 14:1ff).

Are you like the Seventh day Adventists?

LoveGodForever · Oct 21, 2017

phil36 said:

Hi Phil,

Thanks for your post. I cannot see what you have written in God's Word. For me I can only find two classes of people written these are the believers. These are those that hear and follow the Word of God. They hear the voice of the true Sheppard and follow him because of love. Then there are the unbelievers. These may indeed profess to even follow him who loves all but in their lives they deny him and do not know him who loves all and are still in their sins. This is why we must choose to follow God's Word over the teachings and traditions of man because if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God. Jesus says we are not following him. (Matthew 15:3-9) Sunday worship is a tradition of man that breaks the commandments of God.

Who should we believe to be a believer, God or man?

LoveGodForever · Oct 21, 2017

Rokurac said:

That is great Rokurac, nice to see someone that believes God's Word.

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word...

JaumeJ · Oct 21, 2017

Study the law. Read the Ten Commandments aside and meditate some, and you will find if we oby the Ten we obey all the laws that are inder the principles of faith, mercy and justice, those three principles Jesus Christ teaches must be applied in order to understand and operate the law in grace and perfecting.

phil36 · Oct 21, 2017

LoveGodForever said:

Hi Phil,

Thanks for your post. I cannot see what you have written in God's Word. For me I can only find two classes of people written these are the believers. These are those that hear and follow the Word of God. They hear the voice of the true Sheppard and follow him because of love. Then there are the unbelievers. These may indeed profess to even follow him who loves all but in their lives they deny him and do not know him who loves all and are still in their sins. This is why we must choose to follow God's Word over the teachings and traditions of man because if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God. Jesus says we are not following him. (Matthew 15:3-9) Sunday worship is a tradition of man that breaks the commandments of God.

Who should we believe to be a believer, God or man?

Seventh day Adventist?

JaumeJ · Oct 21, 2017

Another meditation to consider. Ask yourself why ou rMaker, the Almighty, would bother to give us the Ten Commandments in stone first, and later take tehm from the stone and engrave them in our inward parts, on the tablets of our hearts! The Ten are the pure action of love when observed, yet some very intelligent ones are trying to discard them.

Studyman · Oct 21, 2017

I know for me, "Transgressing God Commandments by man made doctrines and traditions" is something I strive not to do given all the examples of problems God's people had with those who do.. Therefore I have chosen to follow God's Commandments regarding His Day of rest and reflection and not the Catholic Churches tradition of Sunday.

I am not a member of the SDA, or any other organized Church. Instead I strive to partake in the same Body as Abel, Noah, Abraham, Caleb, Rehab, Malachi, Zacharias and Elizabeth, Stephen, Peter and the rest of the examples we have of true faith in God and His Son.

One body, One Faith, One Law. And we are taught we need look no further than Jesus, the first fruits of those members of God's Church who sleep. This will keep us from creating our own Righteousness as is the custom of religious men from the beginning. (See Cain and Abel)

Rom. 10:3 For they (Mainstream God of Abraham preaching people of His time)being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

Rom. 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

We need look no further.

Psalms 119:172 My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness.

JaumeJ · Oct 21, 2017

If we had a denomination, (we do not), the closest thing to a name for it would be "the faith of Abraham." Jesus Christ teaches us this, that we are of the faith of Abraham, nothing more, nothing less. I believe it to be what you describe in your post, Studyman.

According to Daniel, in the later moments of this age the people of understanding will be few, and they will be scattered. They will be helped with little help. The beast will wage war on them and prevail.. I believe all who believe Jesus Christ are aware of this or these truths.

I do not see the many who do believe yet called out of the great whore, nor out of her daughters, but this will happen, for our Father says so. He does not mentione the daughters outright, but it stands to reasonin the Spirit that the daughts, beingwhores also, will not long contain the true believers.

You probably already know all of this but for the sake of sharing, I repeat it here.........j God bless you always..amen

Studyman · Oct 21, 2017

JaumeJ said:

Thank you for your kind words.

I have for years wished I was more than a maggot turd, someone important, someone who people would listen to, but alas, I am a nobody, letters on a computer screen. How I wish I could just open the minds of people and pour what God has taught me into their mind.

It is both exceedingly sorrowful and very maddening that in this world, (certainly America) for the first time in history everyone has direct access to the Great And Holy WORD of God. No longer do they have to hear His Word through the filter of the "Many" who come in His Name. No longer do we need to have a tradition soaked religion filter God's message by cherry picking scripture and distorting the Word.

Yet for "Many", this is still how they choose to hear. And as is the custom of man, if their belief is challenged, even by the very God they claim to serve, anger and utter hatred follow close behind.

There is truly nothing new under the sun. I am convinced this whole exercise is not for others at all, but to help me in my faith. To continually show me the wisdom and perfection of God's way over man's doctrines and traditions.

And for that I am truly grateful.

Thank you for your kind words JJ, I hope His Sabbath is refreshing you as it is me.

JaumeJ · Oct 22, 2017

Good morning Studyman, and all who read this. I was asleep when you posted this last of yours. I feel muc the same.

During the night I awoke and ws meditating on how many seem to recomple the Word rather than , as it is written, rightly divide it.

I was once tld in a dream after being shown the way I would go that there would be no trees on the Way. I believe this applies to all who believe. It is lonely in the flesh, but never in the Spirit. Jesus is driving the car, we are passengers..

God bless you.......

JaumeJ · Oct 22, 2017

Sorry, it should read above COMPILE" In stead of comple.

rstrats · Oct 22, 2017

phil36,
re: "But what we do know is that we like the NT church celebrate our rest on the Lord's day (Sunday)."

I'm not aware of any scripture that refers to the first day of the week as the Lord's day, nor am I aware of any scripture that says that the NT church celebrated the first day of the week as a day of rest. What do you have in mind?

Dan_473 · Oct 22, 2017

Hizikyah said:

good points!

and yes, we don't want to go beyond what is written.

in what is written, Yahshua never refers to his father by the name YHWH, nor do any of his followers.

of course, if Matthew or Hebrews was originally written in Hebrew, that could change. But then, I think, we would no longer have a reliable bible.

you might find this interesting

"The original New Testament text is found somewhere in the manuscripts that have been known for quite some time.

These new papyri will no doubt continue that trend. But, if this Mark fragment is confirmed as from the first century, what a thrill it will be to have a manuscript that is dated within the lifetime of many of the eyewitnesses to Jesus’ resurrection!"

https://voice.dts.edu/article/wallace-new-testament-manscript-first-century/

Dan_473 · Oct 22, 2017

Hizikyah said:

one would think that a book called "Hebrews" must have been in Hebrew, right?

but Hebrews is just a traditional name, the book doesn't say who it's to. Suppose we title it "Greek-Speaking Jews". Would that feel different?

I've read, and tried to research (but it's not easy), that Hebrews quotes exclusively from the LXX, not the Hebrew OT, implying that the readers were more familiar with Greek than Hebrew.

Dan_473 · Oct 22, 2017

Hizikyah said:

I dont know, I only go from what is expressely written. and honestly I dont see it as a Salvational issue, there are verses that it appears so and there are verses that it appears not;Honestly I think reading the text with YHWH for years has opened my eyes rather than readin the Lord which shows no distinction

this is used to support a trinity, however we can see in Job the angels were with YHWH during creation;

Genesis 1:26, "And the Mighty One said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the heavens, and over the livestock, and over all the earth and over all the creeping creatures that creep on the ground.”"

Job 38:4-7, “Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Declare, if you have understanding. Who set its measurements, if you know? Or who stretched the line upon it? Upon what were its foundations sunk? Or who laid its corner-stone, when the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of Yl (angels in most translations) shouted for joy?”

◄ Job 38:7 ►

New International Version
while the morning stars sang together and all the angels shouted for joy?

New Living Translation
as the morning stars sang together and all the angels shouted for joy?

In the OT there is a difference shown;

Psalm 110:1, "YHWH (#3068) said to my Ruler and King(#113): Sit at My right hand, until I make Your enemies Your footstool."

3068 – Yah-weh, יהוה , The LORD, 3068 - YHWH - Yhwh: the proper name of the God of Israel, Original Word: יְהֹוָה, Part of Speech: Proper Name, Transliteration: Yhwh, Phonetic Spelling: (yah-weh/yah-hu-wah/yeh-ho-vaw), Short Definition: YHWH

113 - la-ḏō-nî, לַֽאדֹנִ֗י , to my Lord, 113 - adon, adon: lord, Original Word: אָדוֹן, Part of Speech: Noun Masculine, Transliteration: adon,Phonetic Spelling: (aw-done'), Short Definition: lord

and in the new;

Yahanan/John 14:28, "You have heard that I told you: I go away, but come again to you. If you loved Me, you would have rejoiced that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I."

1 Timothy 2:5, "For One is YHWH; and One Mediator between YHWH and men: the Man, Yahshua Messiah."

1 Timothy 2:5, "For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man[a] Christ Jesus."

Romans 8:29, "For whom He did foreknow, He also did foreordain to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brothers."

I simply believe YHWH is the Father and Yahshua is the Messiah, for me to try to fully quantify them is something that is imposible for any humans to do.

Revelation 21:23, “And the city had no need of the sun, nor of the moon, to shine in it, for the esteem of Yah lightened it, and the Lamb is its lamp.

Revelation 3:5, "He who overcomes, the same will be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name from The Book of Life, but I will confess his name before My Father and before His malakim."

John/Yahanan 7:16-17, "Yahshua answered, them, and said: My doctrine is not Mine, but His Who sent Me. If any man will do His will, he will know about this teaching, whether it comes from YHWH, or whether I am speaking of My own authority."

◄ John 17:3 ►

TS2009
John 17:3, "“And this is everlasting life, that they should know You, the only true Elohim, and יהושע Messiah whom You have sent."

New International Version
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

New Living Translation
And this is the way to have eternal life--to know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, the one you sent to earth.

English Standard Version
And this is eternal life, that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.

I like this one from Colossians 2

For in him all the fullness of the Godhead dwells bodily.

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