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loveme1 said:
If the man "does not give all" glory to GOD but exalts himself that would be vain glory... but if a man is healed and praises GOD and shares the healing for GOD’s Glory.. then who are we to judge him a sinner?

You speak nonsense because as shared prior it is Christ that teaches us to be perfect and Righteous.

If the Lord Himself said to you that you have not perfect works.. can you reply that is false? I think not.

Now believe what the Lord taught and may GOD be your strength and refuge as you walk through the valley of the shadow of death.

First believe and set your heart to obey casting all doubt.. then see the power of GOD work through you.. The Faith of Abraham.. believe.. and if there is instruction the belief will move you to do..

Faith with works perfects the Faith...

Christ’s Word mixed with Faith profits.
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Definition: Vainglory; excessive or ostentatious pride especially in one's achievements. (where's the humility).

False gospel: A supplemented Christ is no Christ at all, repent and hear the "Good News"

Jonah gave God all the Glory, Praise the Lord!
But I with shouts of grateful praise will I sacrifice to you.
What I have vowed I will make good. I will say,

“Salvation comes from the Lord.”

Jonah2:9


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PHart said:
The problem is not believing these scriptures. The problem is thinking these scriptures make grace a license to sin, which many in the church think.
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"the heart is deceitful and defileth for out from it come murderers,adulterers,and fornicators these defileth a man".
 
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Many Christians are being taught that if you have to purposely do something righteous and it doesn't just happen automatically that you are 'in the flesh' and not walking by the Spirit, and so you are trying to earn your own salvation. And they believe it.

What a joke.
 
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joefizz said:
"the heart is deceitful and defileth for out from it come murderers,adulterers,and fornicators these defileth a man".
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And many Christians think grace is their license to continue to be these things, instead of grace being the exit door out and away from these things.
 
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gb9

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PHart said:
And many Christians think grace is their license to continue to be these things, instead of grace being the exit door out and away from these things.
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and some Christians think they do not sin. ( no one is sinless ) . some Christians think they are saved today, but tomorrow , don't know. some think we have to keep the Torah. why don't you address them, and their error instead of projecting stuff that YOU made up in your head.
 
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loveme1 said:
No wonder if you insist on taking a suitable verse here and there to propose a theory.

Christ gives us work and nothing above changes that whatsoever.

All seem to agree by Grace we are Saved through Faith in Christ unto good works.
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Theory?
Nay that sort of thing is left for the non believers to squabble about and toil their minds trying to explain life "without God".
It is just a clear fact in the bible that through Jesus are we saved,and works only "show" that we have received it or not it is not what saves our souls,for what of this earth is a perfect sacrifice or work unto God,none anymore,for only Jesus was a perfect sacrifice and only he did "perfect works",so lest ye be Christ yourself(which is impossible) ye have no perfect works and salvation can only be accepted through Jesus not of man or works of the earth.
 
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gb9 said:
and some Christians think they do not sin. ( no one is sinless ) . some Christians think they are saved today, but tomorrow , don't know. some think we have to keep the Torah. why don't you address them, and their error instead of projecting stuff that YOU made up in your head.
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My underlieing point exactly.
Out from the heart come defiling things,for many set in their heart for something to be true yet it isn't for they can't cope otherwise.
 
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gb9

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joefizz said:
My underlieing point exactly.
Out from the heart come defiling things,for many set in their heart for something to be true yet it isn't for they can't cope otherwise.
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just once, just once, I wish someone would show 1 post in which someone wrote " we are saved and covered by grace. sin all you want, it does not matter."

you would think as many times as some claim that is being said, it would be easy to find a direct quote of it. but, for all their accusing, they seem to be unable to find that.

now, there very well could be an answer as to why they cannot find a quote of someone saying " sin does not matter ", but i'll leave that up to ya'll to figure out.
 
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TruthTalk said:
Definition: Vainglory; excessive or ostentatious pride especially in one's achievements. (where's the humility).

False gospel: A supplemented Christ is no Christ at all, repent and hear the "Good News"

Jonah gave God all the Glory, Praise the Lord!
But I with shouts of grateful praise will I sacrifice to you.
What I have vowed I will make good. I will say,

“Salvation comes from the Lord.”

Jonah2:9


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Who said Salvation does not come from the Lord?

The supplemented Christ is one that gives no Testimony to believe..

here many are saying believe Christ who taught this or that.. Scripture proving it so.. that is the only Messiah and He states those that Love Him are those that Hear and do... fact.


So it is utter nonsense to say the True Christ is false to those that simply believe His Word.. yet many have a belief that to believe and Do in some way insults the Messiah.. what is insulting though is to not Repent and Believe and set your heart to obey.. what Righteousness is there in saying GOD I’m a sinner and neither you or I have Power to change that.. so I will continue and not Repent.. which is to change..


GOD gives us a New Spirit by Grace through Faith to walk the path of Righteousness.. a real inward change.. the Power of GOD keeping you from being disobedient because we Believed.

Christ died to Forgive and Reconcile us to Heavenly Father and the lack of belief based on certain verses keep many from the Truth that sets free.
 
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Studyman said:
HE said for me to "Seek Ye First the Kingdom of God and HIS Righteousness." Central to His Kingdom is His Priesthood., Jesus is this High Priest and has gave me instructions.

Yes, there are "Many" who come in His Name and preach I don't have to "Seek God's Kingdom" or "Seek God's Righteousness"


But these "Many" didn't offer themselves to remove my sin's. Why should I listen to them over the Word's of God?

How is it possible to "walk in the Light" if I ignore or reject the Light's instruction?
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I would never say to ignore the Lights instruction. What I am trying to say, and apparently not being successful at explaining, is that instruction comes from fellowshipping with the Lord. The Word given through the Spirit may not be exactly the Word given by the written word.

Comprende?

We don't struggle to live by laws, but by the resting in the righteousness imputed to us. Then being in Him...His salvation freely given, we live out of Him. Being one and moving by Spirit. We are spiritual beings if we are baptized into His body which is the baptism of Holy Spirit. Not just regeneration.

Comprende?
 
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It's a greater, higher way to live when we know we are out of the heavenlies, and not adam of earth and fallen anymore.

Until we come to this...we will labor to come to it. That's is what it means to labor to come into this rest. Seek it.
 
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joefizz said:
My underlieing point exactly.
Out from the heart come defiling things,for many set in their heart for something to be true yet it isn't for they can't cope otherwise.
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Joefizz, if I wasn't so old and married, I would snatch you up in a heartbeat. LOL...
 
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It's hilarious yet ad nauseam "Only I believe ALL of the Scriptures. Hmmmmph!" - PHart and those of his ilk, by their own implications:



Oh, the humility is too much! :D
 
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joefizz said:
Theory?
Nay that sort of thing is left for the non believers to squabble about and toil their minds trying to explain life "without God".
It is just a clear fact in the bible that through Jesus are we saved,and works only "show" that we have received it or not it is not what saves our souls,for what of this earth is a perfect sacrifice or work unto God,none anymore,for only Jesus was a perfect sacrifice and only he did "perfect works",so lest ye be Christ yourself(which is impossible) ye have no perfect works and salvation can only be accepted through Jesus not of man or works of the earth.
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Well if if I was to Believe you then it opposes my Lord’s Truth.. and Joe I will not believe your theory but His Word.. because I believe He is the only way to the Father.. and if He states I need to have perfect works and be Righteous then I believe Him! Because Joe Faith and Doing His work perfects our Faith.. and all and absolute Glory to the Almighty and His Perfect Son always and forever... but I will not accept the idea that we don’t believe the Messiah’s Word above all else.
 
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^^^^^^ There's some more of it right there, the attitude as if they are the only ones who believe the Word while ridiculing others as if they do not, talking down to them.

Could it be possible that what is really happening is these simply are misunderstanding passages and turning them on their heads?

Yep.

Taking descriptive passages and figurative passages and turning them into prescriptive texts. All the very things false teachers do; 2 Peter 3:16.
 
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joefizz

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gb9 said:
just once, just once, I wish someone would show 1 post in which someone wrote " we are saved and covered by grace. sin all you want, it does not matter."

you would think as many times as some claim that is being said, it would be easy to find a direct quote of it. but, for all their accusing, they seem to be unable to find that.

now, there very well could be an answer as to why they cannot find a quote of someone saying " sin does not matter ", but i'll leave that up to ya'll to figure out.
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is it wonder?
Jesus was innocent yet "they led him like a lamb to the slaughter for sins he did not" people of the mind set of chaos shall always find things that are not,for they wish to point blame elsewhere and even in the end once peace is established in any wise they shall turn upon themselves for the sake of chaos,it's a concept I have definitely witnessed to,people making boastful claims of others doing wrong yet they themselves delight in it,they shall always bite the hand that feeds for they seek only themselves for comfort yet shall never be able to provide for themselves a foreseeable future for they seek to live without worry of tomorrow for they'd rather make merry and die in their sins,rather than face their sins and accept Jesus as saviour,they'd rather believe and delight in a lie than accept and walk with the truth.
 
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joefizz said:
is it wonder?
Jesus was innocent yet "they led him like a lamb to the slaughter for sins he did not" people of the mind set of chaos shall always find things that are not,for they wish to point blame elsewhere and even in the end once peace is established in any wise they shall turn upon themselves for the sake of chaos,it's a concept I have definitely witnessed to,people making boastful claims of others doing wrong yet they themselves delight in it,they shall always bite the hand that feeds for they seek only themselves for comfort yet shall never be able to provide for themselves a foreseeable future for they seek to live without worry of tomorrow for they'd rather make merry and die in their sins,rather than face their sins and accept Jesus as saviour,they'd rather believe and delight in a lie than accept and walk with the truth.
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whoops time limit ran out,that first line in my post is supposed to read as "Is it any wonder"?
 
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preacher4truth said:
^^^^^^ There's some more of it right there, the attitude as if they are the only ones who believe the Word while ridiculing others as if they do not, talking down to them.

Could it be possible that what is really happening is these simply are misunderstanding passages and turning them on their heads?

Yep.

Taking descriptive passages and figurative passages and turning them into prescriptive texts. All the very things false teachers do; 2 Peter 3:16.
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Yet those in higher places not able to share special secrets with others are not highminded?

Nothing highminded.. just willing to share my beliefs openly.. just because I differ to you does not make me any better.. I just won’t unbelieve.. but continue and may GOD give increase..
 
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