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[LoveGodForever]

=Dan_473;3305061]


Very good question. How is it LGF and others, including myself, can read the same Book you do, and come to a different conclusion.

The very same question could be asked by the Pharisees of Jesus and Paul and Peter's time, yes?

I mean here are the Mainstream preachers of Christ's time claiming to be Children of God, Children of Abraham.

John 8:33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?


They claimed belief on the God of Abraham, they claimed to be in bondage to no man. But what did Jesus tell them?

34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.

40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.

44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.


There is more on this engagement between Jesus and the Mainstream God of Abraham preachers of His time in John 8.

Certainly the Pharisees studied the bible as it existed then. AS did Jesus.

Luke 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

Yet these two factions, Jesus and the Mainstream preachers of His time had almost opposite understandings of the Bible.

It is fair to say not all Jews of that time had the same understanding as the Mainstream Preachers.


Luke 1:5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.
6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

So there seems to be a trend here.

The Mainstream Preachers claimed to be God's people, they read God's Words, yet they "Transgressed the Commandments of God by their own doctrines and traditions."

There is no indication that Zacharias or Jesus did this.

So we have one example of understanding that was gained by study in obedience to the instruction, ( Zacharias and Jesus)

And another example of study in disobedience to the instruction. (Mainstream preachers of that time)

There were more than just Zacharias.

Matt. 2: 1 Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,
2 Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.


Here is another example of people who had a completely different understanding than the Mainstream preachers of that time. Is it wrong to assume that they, like Zacharias, also studied in obedience to the instruction?

And Peter, which side of this topic did he fall on?

Acts 5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.
33 When they heard that, they were cut to the heart, and took counsel to slay them.




There is only one difference between the examples in the Bible who understood God, and those who did not.

And it was because one example refused to obey the instruction of God, and created their own instructions, and the other example did not.

So fast forward to today. WE have a Mainstream Christian teaching that "Transgresses the Commandments of God by their own traditions and doctrines."

This is not a judgment, rather, a simple fact.

It is Mainstream Christian Tradition to transgress God's Sabbath Commandment and replace it with the Catholic Sabbath.

It is Mainstream Christian tradition to transgress God's Holy Days and replace them with Catholic high days.

It is Mainstream Christian Tradition to create images of God in the likeness of some long haired men's shampoo model, transgressing the first and greatest commandment.

It is Mainstream Christian Tradition to transgress God's Food Laws, and create their own definition of clean and unclean.

So it seems that even today, if a person studies in obedience to God's simple instructions he see's the scripture one way.

If a person studies scripture in transgression to God's simple instructions, he sees the scripture in another way.

I believe what Peter taught, that the Holy Spirit (Spirit of Truth) is given to those who do not "Transgress the Commandments of God by their own religious doctrines and traditions, and it seems LGF believes the same.

But I also know from Peter and Jesus that this belief will infuriate "many" who come in Christ's/God's name.

"When they heard that, they were cut to the heart, and took counsel to slay them."

"22
And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved."

My hope is that you might consider these words and understand.

John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. (Is it evil or righteous to transgress the commandments of God by doctrines and traditions of men?)


20 For every one that doeth evil(Transgress God's Commandments by their own Traditions) hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

Is this why the Mainstream preachers of Peters time set about to kill or silence Peter, so he wouldn't expose their transgression of God's Commandments?

21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest,.(let your light shine) that they are wrought in God.

So a circle complete once again. Those who live a doctrine created (wrought) by God have a different understanding than those who live a doctrine created by man.

Very honest, bold question you asked Dan. Not many would dare to ask such a question fearing the answer.

I hope you might consider my take on this good question.

Very well put together. Hope you don't mind me using this. Thanks for sharing

God's Blessing

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

everyone who promotes performing the law today is promoting performing only some of the commandments, because some simply can't be done today.

for example, there is no levitical priest that one can show oneself to.

Before Aaron was the order of Melchizedek and we know thatJesus is the head of this order.
John the Baptist was from the Leviticalpriesthood and he had to announce Jesus as the high priest as is required inthe law. Jesus also had to wait to the age of 30 before taking up His ministryas a priest. Also in the law. We know for a fact that we are following a lawkeeper.

 

[Dan_473]

Dear Brothers and Sisters,

I am writing this at my nearby public library.

My home computer has stopping working, so I won't be able to post regularly here on CC until I find another laptop / God provides a way.

The peace of Christ be with you all!

 

[Studyman]

Before Aaron was the order of Melchizedek and we know thatJesus is the head of this order.
John the Baptist was from the Leviticalpriesthood and he had to announce Jesus as the high priest as is required inthe law. Jesus also had to wait to the age of 30 before taking up His ministryas a priest. Also in the law. We know for a fact that we are following a lawkeeper.

Yes, and we are also told the Messiah would not come from the tribe of Levi, therefore it was necessary for a "Change in the Law"

Heb. 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; (Not Levi)of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning
priesthood.


I am always amazed at how the Bible can say the Priesthood has changed, yet they refuse to accept any instruction in how they changed. I am glad you you seem to understand. Good post

 

[loveme1]

Dear Brothers and Sisters,

I am writing this at my nearby public library.

My home computer has stopping working, so I won't be able to post regularly here on CC until I find another laptop / God provides a way.

The peace of Christ be with you all!

May you come back to us soon Dan.

Peace and love to you in Christ.

 

[phil36]

I seems you may be mistaken. There is no other way into heaven but through the High Priest. Whether it is now Jesus, or before a Levite, we must "show ourselves to the High Priest". And this "high Priest" which was to come from Judah, House of King David, which was told us in the Old Testament long before any New Testament writings.

So showing ourselves to the Messiah for remission of sins is part of the Law and Prophets.

This is not a good example of a commandment we can't follow.

Hi studyman,


There is a couple of things I'll point out That I think or suggest you have wrong. In Dan's post 3641 you completely miss his point. Re read Dans post.


1) No human priest gave you access to heaven, Levite or not. Only the one 'true' priest can, and that High priest is Jesus Christ. Access to God was only by His grace in both the OT and NT.

2) The role of human priests as in the Theocracy are no longer. The priests job was not narrow and restricted to the day of atonement. They where slaughtering bulls/goats/pigeons daily, for all sorts of things,,like a bodily discharge... so who do you who your discharge to now??? There is no clean and unclean rules to follow as under the mosaic law in the Hebrew theocracy.

So in order to follow the law which ones are you leaving out. Which I think was Dan's point.

(I would suggest there are moral rules throughout scripture that all should be obedient to, whether in the economy of the Old or New)

 

[Studyman]

Hi studyman,


There is a couple of things I'll point out That I think or suggest you have wrong. In Dan's post 3641 you completely miss his point. Re read Dans post.


1) No human priest gave you access to heaven, Levite or not. Only the one 'true' priest can, and that High priest is Jesus Christ. Access to God was only by His grace in both the OT and NT.

I never said any different.

But to say that people, before the "SEED" came, could be accepted by God by following another Law or another path to heaven, is Biblically incorrect. God created this Levitical Priesthood ceremonial, sacrificial "Works and Deeds of the Law" for remission of sins. To deny that is to deny the very Word you come in Christ's name to preach.

These "Works of the Law" for remission of sins were ADDED to the Laws Abraham was blessed for obeying. (Gal. 3)They had a purpose and were a shadow of something to come. When Jesus came, as prophesied, the Priesthood changed. Now longer was it necessary to have a Levite Priest perform sacrificial "works of the Law" to receive God's Grace, we now have Faith in the Blood of His Son, for this Grace, which is the Intent of the Levitical Priesthood in the first place.

Gal. 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, (What works of the Law were created by God for the cleansing of sin until Jesus came?) but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: (Levitical Priesthood ceremonies and sacrificial "works of the Law" God gave to Moses) for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

I don't really understand why or how you find this untrue

2) The role of human priests as in the Theocracy are no longer. The priests job was not narrow and restricted to the day of atonement. They where slaughtering bulls/goats/pigeons daily, for all sorts of things,,like a bodily discharge... so who do you who your discharge to now??? There is no clean and unclean rules to follow as under the mosaic law in the Hebrew theocracy.

Yes, they were performing Levitical Priesthood sacrificial "Works of the Law" for the remission of sins every day. But now, given that the Seed has come, and given that the Priesthood has been changed (Not eliminated, unless you don't believe Jesus is our High Priest) we are instructed to do something different for the remission of sins.

Luke 13:3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent,(Change) ye shall all likewise perish. No more just bringing a turtle Dove, without change,

Luke 9:23 And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.

So we don't bring a sacrifice to the Levite Priests every day, we take up our cross and follow Jesus every day. (Follow His instruction)


You are just ignorant of what this practice was to fore shadow. You may know the Spiritual intent of some, like the reason for the "unblemished" sacrifice and what it actually meant. But you don't know the intent of what much of the rest or God's Spiritual law fore shadowed. Just because God has not revealed these Spiritual truths to you, doesn't mean they don't exist, or that others don't know what they mean.

So in order to follow the law which ones are you leaving out. Which I think was Dan's point.

Dan is free to expose any sin he sees me commit, I implore him to do so. But just because you don't understand some of the Words of God, doesn't mean I should ignore them.

(I would suggest there are moral rules throughout scripture that all should be obedient to, whether in the economy of the Old or New)

Clean and unclean, Holy and Unholy, obedience and disobedience, righteous and unrighteous are all moral constructs.

The reason I posted in the first place is to show that in Romans and Galatians, when Paul speaks of "works of the Law", he is speaking to the Levitical Priesthood, and not God's definition of sin, definition of clean and unclean, definition of Holy and Unholy, definition of righteousness and unrighteousness as Mainstream Christianity preaches.

 

[phil36]

But to say that people, before the "SEED" came, could be accepted by God by following another Law or another path to heaven, is Biblically incorrect. God created this Levitical Priesthood ceremonial, sacrificial "Works and Deeds of the Law" for remission of sins. To deny that is to deny the very Word you come in Christ's name to preach.

These "Works of the Law" for remission of sins were ADDED to the Laws Abraham was blessed for obeying. (Gal. 3)They had a purpose and were a shadow of something to come. When Jesus came, as prophesied, the Priesthood changed. Now longer was it necessary to have a Levite Priest perform sacrificial "works of the Law" to receive God's Grace, we now have Faith in the Blood of His Son, for this Grace, which is the Intent of the Levitical Priesthood in the first place.

Gal. 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, (What works of the Law were created by God for the cleansing of sin until Jesus came?)but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: (Levitical Priesthood ceremonies and sacrificial "works of the Law" God gave to Moses) for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

I don't really understand why or how you find this untrue

Those under the Mosaic law where saved the exact same way we as Christians are... Christs work alone, and by God's grace. Under the theocracy the law held them as a schoolmaster and pointed them to their Messiah.

Again, I will have to correct you where I think you are wrong. Paul was not just referring to the levitical priest/s, It was all men who did 'works of the law'. I am afraid that you are reading into the text (an example above) rather than reading 'out' of the text.

I think Romans 10:5 may help you here (and the tons of text in the OT about the people not obeying the commands)

5 Moses writes this about the righteousness that is by the law: ‘The person who does these things will live by them

Now the person who does them is not a narrow definition of just the levites. It was all who did the 'works of the Law' The works of the law encompasses all the temple cult and case law. This would include maybe something like ''Dietary laws'' this was for all those under the Mosaic covenant.

STUDYMAN--

You are just ignorant of what this practice was to fore shadow. You may know the Spiritual intent of some, like the reason for the "unblemished" sacrifice and what it actually meant. But you don't know the intent of what much of the rest or God's Spiritual law fore shadowed. Just because God has not revealed these Spiritual truths to you, doesn't mean they don't exist, or that others don't know what they mean.

The above statement has no merit. It shows immaturity to be honest.

Unless of course you think I don't see the type and shadow of say Leviticus 24:1-4 . cf, 2 Samuel 22:29 - 1 John 1v5 . would that be an example of the things I am spiritually blind too?

Plus you missed my most important statement which I wrote last:

Again, I would suggest there are moral rules throughout scripture that all should be obedient to, and now those in Christ are not under the obligations of the Mosaic covenant.

 

[Studyman]

=phil36;3321545]Those under the Mosaic law where saved the exact same way we as Christians are... Christs work alone, and by God's grace. Under the theocracy the law held them as a schoolmaster and pointed them to their Messiah.

Again, I will have to correct you where I think you are wrong. Paul was not just referring to the levitical priest/s, It was all men who did 'works of the law'. I am afraid that you are reading into the text (an example above) rather than reading 'out' of the text.

Do you have actual biblical evidence of my error, or do you just not like the implications?

I think Romans 10:5 may help you here (and the tons of text in the OT about the people not obeying the commands)

Romans 10 is a perfect example of my point regarding Paul's intent.

Rom. 10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

This is how Paul regarded God's Righteousness. We need not look any further than Christ for the example of the perfect walk.

4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Did Jesus partake in the Levitical Priesthood ceremonial, sacrificial "works of the Law" when He forgave sins?

No is the only honest answer.

Did Jesus partake in God's Commandments regarding his definition of unclean and clean, the Holy Days, God's Sabbaths ? The only honest answer is Yes, He did. Are we told to "Walk as He Walked"? The only honest answer is Yes.

Did Paul preach the Levitical Priesthood Sacrificial, "works of the Law" for remission of sins?

The only honest answer is no, he did not.

Did Paul preach that we are to follow God Laws?

Rom. 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

I can not ignore a scripture just because it goes against church tradition.

5 Moses writes this about the righteousness that is by the law: ‘The person who does these things will live by them

Again, The only way into God's Kingdom, before Christ, was the Levitical Priesthood ceremonial, sacrificial "works of the Law" for justification. One could not be made righteous, according to the Law, without these Levitical "Works of the Law". This is just Biblical fact.

Now the person who does them is not a narrow definition of just the levites. It was all who did the 'works of the Law' The works of the law encompasses all the temple cult and case law.

Can you provide any Biblical evidence for this preaching?

This would include maybe something like ''Dietary laws'' this was for all those under the Mosaic covenant.

So you preach that Noah was under the "Mosiac Covenant"?

It was only the Levites that performed these "works of the Law" , but the people were charged to take or purchase a sacrifice to give to them for the remission of their sins. You are confusing these LP laws for the REMISSION of sins, with God's Righteous DEFINITION of sin.

2 Separate Laws, one defined sin and Abraham was blessed for obeying them. The Levitical Priesthood was "ADDED" to these righteous Laws "Because of Transgression of them" (Gal. 3:19)

The above statement has no merit. It shows immaturity to be honest.

It is not my fault that you do not understand what you are on this forum preaching about. You obviously don't know the spiritual meaning of the "shadow" as it pertains to many of the commandments God gave to the Levites. How this lack of knowledge, or "ignorance" as it is also known, makes me immature I don't know.

Unless of course you think I don't see the type and shadow of say Leviticus 24:1-4 . cf, 2 Samuel 22:29 - 1 John 1v5 . would that be an example of the things I am spiritually blind too?

If the light in you is darkness, how great is that darkness?

Plus you missed my most important statement which I wrote last:

Again, I would suggest there are moral rules throughout scripture that all should be obedient to, and now those in Christ are not under the obligations of the Mosaic covenant.

The "Mosiac Covenant" a term created by you to further your beliefs, is the Levitical Priesthood. It IS the Old Covenant that is changed. IT was ADDED to the Covenant God made with Abraham.



Gen. 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

Ex. 2:23 And it came to pass in process of time, that the king of Egypt died: and the children of Israel sighed by reason of the bondage, and they cried, and their cry came up unto God by reason of the bondage.
24 And God heard their groaning, and God remembered his covenant with Abraham, with Isaac, and with Jacob.

And God ADDED the Levitical Priesthood to the Laws Abraham obeyed, God's universal Righteousness, because of transgression of these Laws as Paul teaches.

Gal. 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
18 For if the inheritance be of the law,(Blood of Goats) it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise. Why? See what God says above about why Abraham was blessed.

19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

I don't believe your preaching because you don't know the difference between the separated Levitical Priesthood "Works of the Law" God created for the remission of sins, and the Law is was "ADDED to. And when someone tries to show you, by both old Testament and New Testament scriptures, you reject the idea, not because the bible doesn't teach it, but because Mainstream Christianity doesn't teach it.

So even though Jesus clearly taught and lived in obedience to His Father's Commandments that Abraham adhered to, and even though Peter says Acts 5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

And even though Paul says, in addition to his statements above,

Acts 24:13 Neither can they prove the things whereof they now accuse me.
14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:

And again:

Acts 26:20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they (ALL)should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.
21 For these causes the Jews caught me in the temple, and went about to kill me.

22 Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:

So even though Paul contradicts your preaching, and Jesus clearly contradicts your preaching, you still make the claim that the "Works of the Law" Paul speaks of is not the Levitical Priesthood ceremonial "works and Deeds of the Law for remissions of sins, but the entire Law of God given to Abraham and recounted to Moses.

I post these things in the hope that instead of just writing it off because it doesn't line up with a particular doctrine preached by some religious franchise, you might actually study and consider that maybe it isn't the Bible that is wrong, but the teaching from people who Jesus told us to "Take Heed" of.

That is still my hope.

 

[Endoscopy]

Hi studyman,


There is a couple of things I'll point out That I think or suggest you have wrong. In Dan's post 3641 you completely miss his point. Re read Dans post.


1) No human priest gave you access to heaven, Levite or not. Only the one 'true' priest can, and that High priest is Jesus Christ. Access to God was only by His grace in both the OT and NT.

2) The role of human priests as in the Theocracy are no longer. The priests job was not narrow and restricted to the day of atonement. They where slaughtering bulls/goats/pigeons daily, for all sorts of things,,like a bodily discharge... so who do you who your discharge to now??? There is no clean and unclean rules to follow as under the mosaic law in the Hebrew theocracy.

So in order to follow the law which ones are you leaving out. Which I think was Dan's point.

(I would suggest there are moral rules throughout scripture that all should be obedient to, whether in the economy of the Old or New)

The sacrifices were required until Jesus rose from the dead after being sacrificed for us. That is why his title as the lamb of God. The preferred sacrifice was a lamb without blemish. Jesus living a life without sin was the Lamb without blemish.

 

[phil36]

The sacrifices were required until Jesus rose from the dead after being sacrificed for us. That is why his title as the lamb of God. The preferred sacrifice was a lamb without blemish. Jesus living a life without sin was the Lamb without blemish.

Hi Endoscopy,

Yes I know that. I have not said any different. So I really don't see your point?

 

[Endoscopy]

Hi Endoscopy,

Yes I know that. I have not said any different. So I really don't see your point?

Agreeing with you!

 

[phil36]

Hi Studyman,

STUDYMAN==

Again, The only way into God's Kingdom, before Christ, was the Levitical Priesthood ceremonial, sacrificial "works of the Law" for justification. One could not be made righteous, according to the Law, without these Levitical "Works of the Law". This is just Biblical fact.

.

And who has denied this aspect of the 'Mosaic Covenant'?

Here's what I said:

PHIL36==

Now the person who does them is not a narrow definition of just the levites. It was all who did the 'works of the Law' The works of the law encompasses all the temple cult and case law

STUDYMAN==Can you provide any Biblical evidence for this preaching?

I certainly can! - Have you read the Pentateuch? Lets take just one wee look at on section maybe Ex 22..these are what is called case law BTW (civil law within the theocracy, you cannot separate the Temple cult from the civil life of the community as you are trying to do. They go hand in Hand). Of course we could go even further have a look at Lev 11,18 etc etc etc.

I said this:

This would include maybe something like ''Dietary laws'' this was for all those under the Mosaic covenant.

then you replied:

STUFYMAN==So you preach that Noah was under the "Mosiac Covenant"?

Certainly not, I take it you have read Lev 11? and neither was Abraham...

STUDYMAN== It was only the Levites that performed these "works of the Law" , but the people were charged to take or purchase a sacrifice to give to them for the remission of their sins. You are confusing these LP laws for the REMISSION of sins, with God's Righteous DEFINITION of sin.

Certainly not. Now just so that we understand read Leviticus 1:3-5, who cut the throat? I understand that the priesthood stood between God and the people. So I don't know why you insist I do not understand this?

I don't see the scriptural weight of proof on your narrow definition.. Paul is referring to 'all' men who do works of the law, not just the Levitical priesthood as you seem to be implying. As can be seen with just a cursory glance at the Pentateuch Temple laws and civil laws where intertwined it was community living in action in obedience to God's gracious call and redemption of the Hebrews from slavery.

To be honest I am not even to sure what you are actually arguing against, I am not even sure if you know what it is I am saying!

 

[Endoscopy]

Hi Studyman,


And who has denied this aspect of the 'Mosaic Covenant'?

Here's what I said:





I certainly can! - Have you read the Pentateuch? Lets take just one wee look at on section maybe Ex 22..these are what is called case law BTW (civil law within the theocracy, you cannot separate the Temple cult from the civil life of the community as you are trying to do. They go hand in Hand). Of course we could go even further have a look at Lev 11,18 etc etc etc.

I said this:

This would include maybe something like ''Dietary laws'' this was for all those under the Mosaic covenant.

then you replied:



Certainly not, I take it you have read Lev 11? and neither was Abraham...



Certainly not. Now just so that we understand read Leviticus 1:3-5, who cut the throat? I understand that the priesthood stood between God and the people. So I don't know why you insist I do not understand this?

I don't see the scriptural weight of proof on your narrow definition.. Paul is referring to 'all' men who do works of the law, not just the Levitical priesthood as you seem to be implying. As can be seen with just a cursory glance at the Pentateuch Temple laws and civil laws where intertwined it was community living in action in obedience to God's gracious call and redemption of the Hebrews from slavery.

To be honest I am not even to sure what you are actually arguing against, I am not even sure if you know what it is I am saying!

He loves its gentle twitter.
He loves its gentle flow.
He loves to wind his tongue up.
He loves to let it go.

My mother taught me that 55 years ago. He is typing but it fits just fine.

 

[loveme1]

Well Sabbath is nigh and may all have a Restful Sabbath in GOD’s Love.

Praise and Everlasting Glory to our Gracious Heavenly Father and our Lord and Saviour Yahshua.

 

[Endoscopy]

Well Sabbath is nigh and may all have a Restful Sabbath in GOD’s Love.

Praise and Everlasting Glory to our Gracious Heavenly Father and our Lord and Saviour Yahshua.

Nigher to thee than me.

 

[beta]

Nigher to thee than me.

Is that something to be proud of ? just asking !

 

[SovereignGrace]

Is that something to be proud of ? just asking !

I think he(Endoscopy) meant that since loveme1 is from Britain and he from the USA, the Sabbath is five hours closer to her than him.

 

[beta]

I think he(Endoscopy) meant that since loveme1 is from Britain and he from the USA, the Sabbath is five hours closer to her than him.

Hope that is all he meant....but have not seen him root for the Sabbath.

 

[LoveGodForever]

God's blessing to everyone and a Happy Sabbath to all (my time)!

So peaceful to be with him who loves all and calls all in love to follow him in love who love him and keep his commandments not because they have to but because they love him who calls them to follow him to walk by faith and not by sight. Because we are blind with live in him and he in us and walk in his Spirit who teaches us to love one another as he first loved us.

Those that do not know him do not keep his commandments because they have not seen that we worship the God of creation who created all things by the power of His Word. This is the same word that is the power of God unto salvation (from sin) to everyone who believes. Faith is the victory through him who loves all who has given us all things to live in godliness because it is written to his people be ye Holy for I am Holy. These are the promises of His Word that lives in you.

Our faith is in the living Word of God that created all things. The Sabbath is a sign to God's people that they worship the only true God of creation. All be blessed in him who loves all. Very happy Sabbath (my time) to you all

May God bless you all with his peace and love that is forever and ever amen