Not By Works

[PJW]

"the heart is deceitful and defileth for out from it come murderers,adulterers,and fornicators these defileth a man".

Thank God for the rebirth...of a better man gendered from God's seed.

 

[PJW]

and some Christians think they do not sin. ( no one is sinless ) . some Christians think they are saved today, but tomorrow , don't know. some think we have to keep the Torah. why don't you address them, and their error instead of projecting stuff that YOU made up in your head.

Do you really think that men who are born of God will commit sin?
Grape vines cannot bear figs. (1 John 3:9)

 

[PJW]

Theory?
Nay that sort of thing is left for the non believers to squabble about and toil their minds trying to explain life "without God".
It is just a clear fact in the bible that through Jesus are we saved,and works only "show" that we have received it

What does NO works, or evil works show?

or not it is not what saves our souls,for what of this earth is a perfect sacrifice or work unto God,none anymore,for only Jesus was a perfect sacrifice and only he did "perfect works",so lest ye be Christ yourself(which is impossible) ye have no perfect works and salvation can only be accepted through Jesus not of man or works of the earth.

Ever met a man who loved God above all else?
If you answer NO, then you can be sure they all worship something above God...that is called idolatry.

 

[TruthTalk]

Yeah....it is a bad deal......and obvious that one who's 1st post was designed to make me look bad....it took me months to get a reply from twitter and same thing happened to me on FACEBOOK as well....I was taking about chocolate covered expresso beans and calling them magic beans and how good they would "light you up" and got accused by some really righteous "Christians" of doing drugs......funny how some will sin in the process of trying to devalue and or make one look bad....

On your side 100 percent, this could happen to anyone of us. We are here to support your ministry and look for God to be glorified.

Keep your hand on the plow and don't look back. Luke9:62

 

[PJW]

You are missing the point,we of our own will cannot keep from sin entirely therefore we are not perfect and yes we are not to willingly sin but we can only do so much we must have accepted Jesus's sacrifice for us otherwise we shall fall into iniquity abundantly,it is Jesus's grace that saves not our own for we have not grace of ourselves,we shall assuredly do works for Jesus but this is not to be interpreted that we are perfect otherwise we are boasting that we are equal to God/Jesus,and therefore being against him for if we will take pride in our works and not give glory to God/Jesus then why did Jesus come to "save us from sin" if we can do so ourselves?
It can't be done therefore we don't go looking at our works for "if a man tilleth the ground and look back he is not fit for the kingdom of heaven" as in if we proclaim that our works are any comparison to God by saying we are to be perfect we go against Jesus.

You just don't believe anyone loves God above all else.
There are men on earth that have given up their previous lives for the one given by God to further His word.
Why can't a man "freely will" to obey God, and then do so?

 

[PJW]

Yep that is true.
We must be busy going about the will of the Father.

To me Paul was saying that cannot earn salvation by good works. Coming against the Pharisee’s view that works is what God sees. But Paul is saying we are saved in Jesus and justified as a result.

James says that if you have genuine faith then that genuine saving faith will produce good works.

And I think Paul reconciles the two so that there is no confusion.

Ephesians 2:8-10
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.

To me part of the problem today is leading people to recant the sinners prayer and leaving it at that.

The church really needs to teach what it means to be in Jesus.

Its not just saying the prayer and sitting back and living ones life as before conversion.
But also not to go to the other extreme and tell them now they must be perfect in everything.

Conversion from what?
To what?

 

[Hizikyah]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 Samuel 12:24, “Only fear [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], and you shall serve Him in truth with all your heart, for consider what marvels He has done for you."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 5:14, “Afterward [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]found him in the Set-apart Place, and said to him, “See, you have been made well. Sin no more, so that no worse matter befalls you.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."[/FONT]

 

[PJW]

I seek not anything for myself only to glorify God by speaking in spirit of his word so that one might understand just where all men,women,and children stand concerning perfection,I am not so foolish to boast of what I do that Jesus leads me to do for at such times I do not of myself but of him for I am but a servant not a master,
I am humble in that I sin,
I seek to do right for him but know this is only possible through him not on my own.

If your "humble" was to God, you wouldn't commit sin.
If you were a servant...of God, you would obey the Lord.

 

[PJW]

Jesus taught us how to pray.
The Lord’s Prayer.
I just want to ask this question.
Part of his prayer was
Luke 11:4
4 And forgive us our sins,
For we also forgive everyone who is indebted to us.
If he anticipated that we would never sin why would he tell us to ask God to forgive us of our sins? (note here this question is not to start a discussion on forgiving in order to be forgiven)
Just another question as well.

Jesus was talking to men who weren't "reborn" yet.
They didn't have the power to walk in the Spirit/light yet, as the resurrection hadn't happened yet.

It has been suggested that God will not listen to a person who sins.

Suggested?
It is written..." [FONT=&quot]Now we know that God heareth not sinners:" (John 8:31)
It is written..."[/FONT][FONT=&quot]For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open unto their prayers: but the [/FONT]face of the Lord is against them that do evil." (1 Peter 3:12)[FONT=&quot]
[/FONT]It is written..."[FONT=&quot]Behold, God will not cast [/FONT]away a perfect man, neither will he help the evil doers:" (Pro 8:20)

So why would tell us to ask for forgiveness?

Still walking in the OT.

 

[PJW]

You genuinely beleive that you don’t sin since your conversion don’t you?
Does everyone in the church you go feel and say the same?

Yes, and yes.

9QUOTE]If that’s the case then what you are saying in effect when you placed your faith in Jesus as follows

Romans 10:9-13
9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.”
12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. 13 For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”[/QUOTE]
I believe it wholeheartedly.
We "called on the name of the Lord" at my baptism into Christ's death, burial, and resurrection...to walk in newness of life.

Then every life experience before conversion that was sinful or led you to sin (ie unfogiveness, worrying etc) you just stopped.

Yes, I was a new creature who now walked in the Spirit instead of in the flesh.
I had a new God.

So the church you go and it’s members do not sin at all?

Not at all.
The church is the body of Christ, flesh of His flesh and bone of His bone. (Eph 5:30)
There is no sin in Christ.

 

[PJW]

No, there are quite a few of us here who stand for the TRUTH, of Salvation is by GRACE through Faith and not by works, therefore only because of HIS MERCY do we not pay the price for our ongoing sin nature. Those who WANT TO BELIEVE THEY ARE SINLESS are proving to all present, that they have been thoroughly brain washed by False Prophets, and thereby are unreceptive to the TRUTH.

Yes we were warned that in the Last Days there would be many False Prophets, who would no longer endure sound doctrines, and would continue to Decieve and Being Decieved. It is not a pleasant thing to actually see happening, however praise the LORD, it is at a sign that we are close to going Home to be with our LORD.

On the last day, many will also hear these words..."Depart from me ye workers of iniquity".

Do you think the false prophets will be exhorting men to always obey God?
Or do you think they will be advocating doctrine that tolerates sin?

 

[PJW]

By Ray Pritchard on Oct 23, 2017 12:13 am
If I show up at the gates of heaven talking about how good I’ve been, I’m in real trouble. First of all, I haven’t been all that good. Too many sins come crowding into my memory, and those are only the ones I can remember. I testify that I am a sinner through and through; and left to myself, I don’t have a chance of going to heaven.
My only hope of heaven is to cast myself completely on the Lord Jesus Christ who loved me and died for me. He is my only hope. If he can’t take me to heaven, I’m not going to go there. But I’m not worried. I’m trusting in Jesus to meet me at the gate and usher me into heaven. As the song says, “I need no other argument, I need no other plea. It is enough that Jesus died, and that he died for me.”

Too bad he didn't avail himself of the rebirth.
He never crucified the old man and got raised with Christ to walk in newness of life. (Rom 6:3-6)
And what does the next verse say?
"He that is dead is freed from sin?".
That death happens at baptism into Christ and His death.

He must have thought baptism was a "work" of the law.
Too bad.

 

[VCO]

iPads do strange things. It typed out zip ads for iPads.

Remember EG and his hilarious iPad errors? Kind of miss it. Lol

Androids do strange things too.

 

[gb9]

Too bad he didn't avail himself of the rebirth.
He never crucified the old man and got raised with Christ to walk in newness of life. (Rom 6:3-6)
And what does the next verse say?
"He that is dead is freed from sin?".
That death happens at baptism into Christ and His death.

He must have thought baptism was a "work" of the law.
Too bad.

and you think you don't sin. too bad.

 

[PJW]

Well there's your problem!! You must be reading a different Bible. Here is Galatians 2, where Paul calls Peter and the other Jews with him HYPOCRITES!
Galatians 2: 11 Now when Peter[a] had come to Antioch, I withstood him to his face, because he was to be blamed; 12 for before certain men came from James, he would eat with the Gentiles; but when they came, he withdrew and separated himself, FEARING those who were of the circumcision. 13 And the rest of the Jews also played the hypocrite with him, so that even Barnabas was carried away with their hypocrisy.14 But when I saw that they were not straightforward about the TRUTH OF THE GOSPEL, I said to Peter before them all, “If you, being a Jew, live in the manner of Gentiles and not as the Jews, why do you[b] compel Gentiles to live as Jews?[c]15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, 16 knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.
So whether intentional or not, you have just lied, and on Scripture! Please tell me how you can now rationalize this lie in your mind.

I don't know what version of bible you are using, but it sounds...adulterated to promote somebody's personal doctrine.

Not only was Peter being a hypocrite, but he was being untruthful (lying) about the Gospel!! How on earth are you able to twist in your mind that he wasn't sinning!?

Your comment about Jesus telling Peter to forgive brothers who sin is so warped and convoluted I don't think even you are buying it.
I honestly feel for you. You have such a low view of our Lord and His perfection.

Don't "feel for me", pity yourselves for having fallen for a religion that tolerates sin.
Jesus said the truth would set you free....of service to sin. (John 8:32-34)
If you ever get sick of offending God, He has made a way to quit offending.
Thanks be to God!

 

[PJW]

Here is "your first public sin" against a believer in Christ. I will ask you again politely, for the 2nd time, "please cease and desist responding to my post's on Christianchat.com.
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3 Days Ago #40813

Re: Not By Works

Originally Posted by PJW

That's odd, as I was sanctified when Jesus' blood was applied to me.
Just like the instruments of the temple and the temple itself.
Go peddle your counterfeit gospel elsewhere, I'm done with your sinless perfectionism. I am asking you politely to stop responding to my posts. If you continue with your demeaning and rude comments I will report you to the Moderator's​

Is the "truth" of your user name the same "truth" Jesus said could free us from service to sin?
(John 8:32-34)

 

[VCO]

On the last day, many will also hear these words..."Depart from me ye workers of iniquity".

Do you think the false prophets will be exhorting men to always obey God?
Or do you think they will be advocating doctrine that tolerates sin?

You do not even know what the sin nature is, do you?

I noticed you left out the most important part of that verse, the part that only genuinely Born Again Believers can fully understand.

Matthew 7:23 (HCSB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Then I will announce to them, ‘I never knew you! Depart from Me, you lawbreakers!’


Have you ever in your life MOURNED and CRIED over your utter sinfulness?

 

[PJW]

I pointed out severals sins of Omission on your part, plus the sin of causing Strife, and the sin of causing Dissensions, and the sin of causing Factions. And what did you do about it?

You are condemning the acts of Jesus in jerusalem.
Thankfully, God has made a way to live without sin.
With a real repentance from sin, and baptism in Jesus' name for the remission of your past sins: (plus the killing of the old man and rebirth of the new creature), you can quit defending sin and start defending righteousness.
The blessings you will receive will more than make up for the lusts you leave behind.

 

[PJW]

This is a good point I hadn't considered, but I think you are dead right. Because he doesn't believe he sins, he can commit ANY sin and justify it in his mind that it isn't sin because he doesn't sin!

A type of sick circular reasoning. I'm not kidding. He is to be pitied. That is messed up thinking.

It doesn't work that way.

Are Christians "in" Christ?
Well there is no sin in here.
I would have to leave Christ to go commit some sin.
That doesn't interest this new creature one bit.

 

[loveme1]

To "willfully sin" in the Greek carries the idea of deliberate intention that is habitual, which stems from rejecting Christ deliberately. This is CONTINUOUS ACTION - A MATTER OF PRACTICE. Now we don't walk along our daily life and accidently fall into a pit called sin. We exercise our will but, the use of the participle clearly shows a CONTINUOUS ACTION. No remorse, no repentance just bring it on!

The unrighteous practice sin - (1 Corinthians 6:9-10; Galatians 5:19-21); not the righteous, who are born of God - (1 Corinthians 6:11; 1 John 3:9).

So does the greek change the meaning ? I think not. Because if Christ teaches us not to sin and we willfully do.. we reject Christ.