Not By Works

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.

Hizikyah

Senior Member
Aug 25, 2013
11,634
372
0
What is the proper way to preach/teach grace/unmerited mercy?

Thread here;
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/159712-what-proper-way-preach-grace.html

Here is my view;

Romans 2:4, “Or do you despise the riches of His kindness, and tolerance, and patience, not knowing that the kindness of YHWH leads you to repentance?”

If preaching grace is done in a way that says there is no need to obey, it is licentiousness.

Jude 1:4, “For there are certain men who have secretly crept in, who were before of old ordained for this condemnation, unholy men, who turn the undeserved pardon of our One Supreme Savior YHWH into licentiousness, and deny Yahshua our Messiah.”

Jeremiah 7:9-11, “Will you steal, murder, commit adultery, vow falsely, burn incense to Baal, follow hinder gods you know nothing of, And then come and stand before Me in this House upon which My Name is called, and say; We are saved! Saved to do all these abominations? Has this House, which is called with My Name, become a den of thieves in your eyes? Behold, I, even I, have seen this! says YHWH.

If preaching grace is done in a way that says we should now be obedient Yah, it is right.

Romans 3:28, "For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law.”

Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law* through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law*!"

Romans, “6:1-2, "What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin* that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it?"

*What is sin, that we may not continue in it?

1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."

Romans 2:4, “Or do you despise the riches of His kindness, and tolerance, and patience, not knowing that the kindness of YHWH leads you to repentance?”
 
Feb 5, 2017
1,118
36
0
Yeh he wouldn't exactly say it, if it was impossible to be free from sin.

But those who are so full of sin, will never believe you can be free of sin, because that makes them look extra bad. They want everyone to wallow in sin like they do.

Our church uses the name "the Church by Christ Jesus (Eph 3:21)"
It is just Christian.
It is written..."Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin." (John 8:34)
Jesus said it, so it must be true.
 

loveme1

Senior Member
Oct 30, 2011
8,138
218
63
I know what he claims. The key he is claims. The Scripture proves he is untruthful. I stand by my statement.
We are told not to sin.. we all have sinned.. yet what we do while under Grace at liberty in Christ .. what will we use the liberty for? ....Loving GOD with all our being and each other.. as taught by the Lord Himself.. the Royal Law.


1 John 3

4Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 5And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. 6Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. 7Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. 8He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 9Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
 

PJW

Banned
Oct 6, 2017
859
6
0
The bolded makes ZERO sense.....and is another false allegation....Christ is the cure ALL and I have pointed this out hundreds of times on CC in the last 4 years.....how does posting false allegations help your I don't sin dogma.....?
The "bold" just appears once in a while for no apparent reason.
Christ is indeed the "cure-all".
He cured my service to sin!
He cured my incessant walking after the flesh.
He cured my walking in darkness.
He cured my loneliness and fear and my addictions.

I am never going to offend Him again...because He loved me, and I am happy to return the favor.
 

PJW

Banned
Oct 6, 2017
859
6
0
I have come to the conclusion of who you really are......he could not understand a lick of English as well and constantly posted little flippant statements to misdirect what was really said.......

The above post of yours of yours is foolish.....I neither implied either and or said either.....
I'm sorry you don't understand it.
 
E

Ellsworth1943

Guest
Yeh he wouldn't exactly say it, if it was impossible to be free from sin.

But those who are so full of sin, will never believe you can be free of sin, because that makes them look extra bad. They want everyone to wallow in sin like they do.
Judgmental on your part. Another sin.
You said "they want everyone to wallow in sin like they do."
That is a lie. Lying is sin. You might want to shut up before you sin again.
 

Hizikyah

Senior Member
Aug 25, 2013
11,634
372
0
We are told not to sin.. we all have sinned.. yet what we do while under Grace at liberty in Christ .. what will we use the liberty for? ....Loving GOD with all our being and each other.. as taught by the Lord Himself.. the Royal Law.


1 John 3

4Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 5And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. 6Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. 7Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. 8He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 9Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
If we are walking in the Law of Liberty, which can only be done if YHWH puts His Spirit upon us, we will not live life of sin, which is transgression of the Law of YHWH.

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 119:44-45, "That I might guard Your Law continually, Forever and ever; That I might walk in liberty, For I have sought Your orders;"[/FONT]



[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]James 1:22-25, “And become doers of the Word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. Because if anyone is a hearer of the Word and not a doer, he is like a man who looks at his natural face in a mirror, for he looks at himself, and goes away, and immediately forgets what he was like. But he that looked into the perfect Law of liberty, and continues in it, not becoming a hearer that forgets, but a doer of work, this one shall be blessed in his doing of the Law.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]James 2:8-12, “If you truly accomplish the sovereign Law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself, (Lev 19:18) you do well, but if you show partiality, you commit sin, being found guilty by the Law as transgressors. For whoever shall guard all the Law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” (Exo 20:14) also said, “Do not murder.” (Exo 20:13) Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of Law. So speak and so do as those who are to be judged by the Law of liberty.”[/FONT]
 
Feb 5, 2017
1,118
36
0
Glad you found the right path friend.

The "bold" just appears once in a while for no apparent reason.
Christ is indeed the "cure-all".
He cured my service to sin!
He cured my incessant walking after the flesh.
He cured my walking in darkness.
He cured my loneliness and fear and my addictions.

I am never going to offend Him again...because He loved me, and I am happy to return the favor.
 

loveme1

Senior Member
Oct 30, 2011
8,138
218
63
The "bold" just appears once in a while for no apparent reason.
Christ is indeed the "cure-all".
He cured my service to sin!
He cured my incessant walking after the flesh.
He cured my walking in darkness.
He cured my loneliness and fear and my addictions.

I am never going to offend Him again...because He loved me, and I am happy to return the favor.
Nice to read this PJW.. Glory to GOD and our Lord and Saviour.
 

phil36

Senior Member
Feb 12, 2009
8,345
2,157
113
Heres an interesting article, it makes one think!!

Let us begin with a church history exam question. Cardinal Robert Bellarmine (1542–1621) was a figure not to be taken lightly. He was Pope Clement VIII’s personal theologian and one of the most able figures in the Counter-Reformation movement within sixteenth-century Roman Catholicism. On one occasion, he wrote: “The greatest of all Protestant heresies is _______ .” Complete, explain, and discuss Bellarmine’s statement.

How would you answer? What is the greatest of all Protestant heresies? Perhaps justification by faith? Perhaps Scripture alone, or one of the other Reformation watchwords?

Those answers make logical sense. But none of them completes Bellarmine’s sentence. What he wrote was: “The greatest of all Protestant heresies is assurance.”

It just goes to show! No wonder the christian assurance is always under attack.

Full article here:
http://www.ligonier.org/blog/what-greatest-all-protestant-heresies/
 

Hizikyah

Senior Member
Aug 25, 2013
11,634
372
0
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 3:4, "Let it not be! But let YHWH be true, and every man a liar, as it has been written, “That You should be declared right in Your words, and prevail in Your judging.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Acts 5:29, "And Kĕpha and the other emissaries answering, said, “We have to obey YHWH rather than men.” [/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 51:4, “Against You, You alone, have I sinned, And done evil in Your eyes; That You might be proven right in Your words; Be clear when You judge.”[/FONT]
 

fredoheaven

Senior Member
Nov 17, 2015
4,110
960
113
Your "logic" is an excuse to keep committing sin.
It is an escape from hoiness and the governance of God.

Your body can't do anything without your mind's complicity.
My proposition is well supported in the bible. You just made no counterpoint. It is your logic which is a poor excuse.

Christian, a real saved by the blood of Christ do not "...keep committing sin." Saved are not sinless, they sin less. Now it is you that is helping me that saved Christian needs holiness inferring that we are not yet in sinless perfect estate.
 

Oncefallen

Idiot in Chief
Staff member
Jan 15, 2011
6,066
3,415
113
Notice to Seohce: this post is, "Abusive and Rude", which is a violation of Christianchat.com rules. Your post has been copied and reported to the Moderator's. I will tell you again, "Cease and Desist", from responding to my post's, if you do not I will report you to the Moderator's again.
And for the record you are not a very nice person.

Quote: My post to Decon, I was not even speaking to Seoheo, and he has been on my Ignore list for 3 or 4 months.

Originally Posted by TruthTalk

Hi Decon, all of your post's here present a simple clear and true gospel which is how it is represented in the Holy Scriptures; to subtract from or add to what the bible say's about our eternal salvation is a sin. Thank you for your ministry and be well migo...:)



You have every right to report a user. You also have every right to place a user on ignore. You do not have a right to tell another user to not respond to your posts.
 
Dec 12, 2013
46,515
20,402
113
I didn't think anyone who played a part in it would have anything to say. That's just another reason I don't usually com in here.
I'll stop now before I say something I'll regret.:mad:
Good and your free to not ever come back if you so choose.....ceeee-ya
 
Dec 12, 2013
46,515
20,402
113
That exact phrase isn't in the KJV bible I use.
Perhaps we should start with which synonyms we can use?
Sin, is the first one, if you have no objections.

You said God gets offended....You should have a verse to back that up...we are all waiting for book, chapter and verse that states that God gets offended.....
 
Dec 12, 2013
46,515
20,402
113
The "bold" just appears once in a while for no apparent reason.
Christ is indeed the "cure-all".
He cured my service to sin!
He cured my incessant walking after the flesh.
He cured my walking in darkness.
He cured my loneliness and fear and my addictions.

I am never going to offend Him again...because He loved me, and I am happy to return the favor.
Like we believe that.......NOT.....
 

TruthTalk

Senior Member
Jul 17, 2017
2,904
2,262
113
You have every right to report a user. You also have every right to place a user on ignore. You do not have a right to tell another user to not respond to your posts.
Thank you Oncefallen, I honestly did not understand this before, I do now.

God bless
 
Dec 12, 2013
46,515
20,402
113
I'm sorry you don't understand it.
I understood just fine and neither said nor implied what you stated.....by the way.....your starting to sound just like someone else.....seems eerily familiar............just saying......verbiage, habit and particular phrases will eventually bleed to the top....so.........
 

posthuman

Senior Member
Jul 31, 2013
37,844
13,558
113
You just accused Jesus of sin.
Wow how far off can you be??

I was hoping you'd just admit that you were absolutely dead wrong about your assertion that 'fall short' in Romans 3:23 is past tense - now that I showed you that it definitely is not - but instead you come back at me with this??

And you're the supposedly 'sinless' one here, our 'better'??

Cone on man. You make it look like you haven't even read Romans at all, where previously i was only under the impression that you merely have not comprehended it...
 
Last edited: