Not By Works

notmyown · Nov 2, 2017

please, what is the difference between earning a place in the Kingdom and being gifted a place?

you sound like you believe God has to learn something. but no, see here!

And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are open and laid bare to the eyes of Him with whom we have to do. (Heb 4:13)

Great is our Lord and abundant in strength; His understanding is infinite. (Ps 147:5)

and yes! we are to love.

Little children, let us not love with word or with tongue, but in deed and truth. We will know by this that we are of the truth, and will assure our heart before Him in whatever our heart condemns us; for God is greater than our heart and knows all things. (1 Jn 3:18-20)

the Lord Jesus doesn't need to see if we have been forgiven. He is the One Who did it.

Snoozy · Nov 2, 2017

PJW said:

Essentially, you are saying you "cheer on people who can never reach their intended goal". "Praise the Lord if you are walking in obedience", (which can't happen in this present age).
Obedience to God equates to sin free.
You are kidding yourself if you don't think that the idea of subservience to God isn't offensive to those who serve sin.
To imagine that serving God faithfully is a false gospel, when it was never presented as a gospel, is misdirected...at best.
Living without sin/obedient to God is the result of the gospel.
Without Jesus' death, burial and resurrection, we could never be baptized into that death and resurrection...as new creatures born of Godly seed instead of Adamic.
Those without faith would rather develop grand doctrines to keep sinning.

tell us how do we walk in perfect obedience? how can we live without sin? im really interested in the mechanics of this. im sure the mechanics are sliding past romans 7. but i still wanna hear it

kennethleehutch · Nov 2, 2017

You only have righteous works after salvation not before.

dcontroversal · Nov 2, 2017

kennethleehutch said:

What ever Kenny.........and you missed the point entirely!

VCO · Nov 2, 2017

posthuman said:

What is he do to the quotes that make it look look like someone else said what he said?

blue_ladybug · Nov 2, 2017

Slight correction: We only have GOOD works after salvation. Not before.

There is none righteous on this earth, God says so. So how can our works be righteous, when we are not?

kennethleehutch said:

Hizikyah · Nov 2, 2017

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 15:5-16, "I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, produces much fruit; but without Me, you can do nothing. If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away like a branch, and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. If you abide in Me, and letting My words; abide in you, you will ask what you will, and it will be done for you. In this is My Father glorified: when you produce much fruit; and in this way you become My disciples. Just as the Father has loved Me, so have I loved you; continue in My love. If you keep My Commands, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father's Commands, and abide in His love. These things I have spoken to you, that My joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be complete. This is My Command: Love one another as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this: that one would lay down his life on behalf of his brothers. You are My brothers, if you do whatever I command you."[/FONT]

VCO · Nov 2, 2017

PJW said:

NO THAT IS WHAT PAUL SAID:

Philippians 3:12 (NKJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] Not that I have already attained, or am already perfected; but I press on,
that I may lay hold of that for which Christ Jesus has also laid hold of me.

Paul WROTE that obviously AFTER he visited Phillipi, which was on his second missionary journey between 49 and 51 A.D.

Most theologians think Paul wrote Phillipians in 62 A.D.

Paul was executed during the reign of NERO, who died in 68 A.D.

So Paul a few years before he was executed wrote:
Not that I have already attained, or am already perfected;
but you think you have already attained perfection.
AMAZING FALSE THEOLOGY.

On top of it all, you deliberately Twisted Posthuman's post to say he implied that Jesus was a sinner.
AMAZING.
Last time I checked, twisting someone else's words to serve your purposes, is deliberately telling a LIE.
AND LYING IS A SIN.

Then your LAST STATEMENT above, which appears to be aimed at those of us who disagree with you, is yet another deliberate LIE about our Beliefs, to serve your own purposes. It appears, you can lie so easily.
AMAZING.
AND LYING IS A SIN.

REPENT!

Proverbs 6:16-19 (NASB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] There are six things which the LORD hates, Yes, seven which are an abomination to Him:
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Haughty eyes, a lying tongue, And hands that shed innocent blood,
[SUP]18 [/SUP] A heart that devises wicked plans, Feet that run rapidly to evil,
[SUP]19 [/SUP] A false witness who utters lies, And one who spreads strife among brothers.

Revelation 21:8 (YLT)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] and to fearful, and unstedfast, and abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all the liars, their part is in the lake that is burning with fire and brimstone, which is a second death.'

Romans 2:5-6 (HCSB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] But because of your hardness and unrepentant heart you are storing up wrath for yourself in the day of wrath, when God’s righteous judgment is revealed.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] He will repay each one according to his works:

My, oh my! Are you and your false theology ever on THIN ICE?

VCO · Nov 2, 2017

VCO said:

I proof read the post, and in my old age, I read what I think I wrote, not even seeing that I left off the ing.

Rokurac · Nov 2, 2017

VCO said:

PHart · Nov 2, 2017

notmyown said:

Eternal life is a gift of God's mercy and grace, not the wages earned for work completed. You knew this, right?

Eternal life is given through faith in the grace of God's forgiveness. The people who have that forgiveness are signified by their obedience to God summarized in 'love your neighbor as yourself'.

notmyown said:

No he doesn't need to see our works to know if we are forgiven or not. But I think he judges according to our works because that will leave no room for any creature in the universe to charge him with injustice.

Everybody, saved and unsaved alike, will be judged according to their works. Our works indicate to all the justice of the eternal fate we receive. Some will show by what they did that they are forgiven in Christ and will go into the kingdom. Others will show by what they did that they never believed, or walked in contempt of the forgiveness they received and they will be sentenced to the lake of fire.

That's not a works gospel, folks. That's what the Bible says. Your works while on earth will be used as the evidence of whether you trust in and cherish the blood of Christ for the forgiveness of sin, or whether you do not trust in and cherish the blood of Christ for the forgiveness of sin. It's really that simple.

stonesoffire · Nov 2, 2017

PHart said:

Eternal life is a gift of God's mercy and grace, not the wages earned for work completed. You knew this, right?

Eternal life is given through faith in the grace of God's forgiveness. The people who have that forgiveness are signified by their obedience to God summarized in 'love your neighbor as yourself'.

No he doesn't need to see our works to know if we are forgiven or not. But I think he judges according to our works because that will leave no room for any creature in the universe to charge him with injustice.

Everybody, saved and unsaved alike, will be judged according to their works. Our works indicate to all the justice of the eternal fate we receive. Some will show by what they did that they are forgiven in Christ and will go into the kingdom. Others will show by what they did that they never believed, or walked in contempt of the forgiveness they received and they will be sentenced to the lake of fire.

That's not a works gospel, folks. That's what the Bible says. Your works while on earth will be used as the evidence of whether you trust in and cherish the blood of Christ for the forgiveness of sin, or whether you do not trust in and cherish the blood of Christ for the forgiveness of sin. It's really that simple.

Rewarded...not judged, rewarded according to our works.

stonesoffire · Nov 2, 2017

I was thinking this morning about the woman who was caught in adultery. Jesus said to those who were her accusers, let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

I guess PJW would of stepped up to the plate, huh?

dcontroversal · Nov 2, 2017

stonesoffire said:

AMEN......

BEMA seat for the saved in Christ

Great White Throne for the lost

Blessed is he that hath part in the 1st resurrection upon whom the 2nd death hath NO POWER.......

It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe!

dcontroversal · Nov 2, 2017

stonesoffire said:

No, he would have just changed it like he did here to--->those who no longer sin cast the first stone....

kennethleehutch · Nov 2, 2017

2 Corinthians 5:17-21New International Version (NIV)

17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come:[a] The old has gone, the new is here! 18 All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation: 19 that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people’s sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation. 20 We are therefore Christ’s ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. We implore you on Christ’s behalf: Be reconciled to God. 21 God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

When we repent of our sins we are cleansed by the blood of Jesus and become righteous.

posthuman · Nov 2, 2017

stonesoffire said:

[SUP]♪ [/SUP]ashes, ashes, all fall down [SUB]♫[/SUB]

[video=youtube;WninWFtO0Gg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WninWFtO0Gg[/video]

For a righteous man falls seven times, and rises again,
But the wicked stumble in time of calamity.
(Proverbs 24:16)

For God has consigned all to disobedience, that he may have mercy on all.
(Romans 11:32)

But when they heard it, they went away one by one, beginning with the older ones, and Jesus was left alone with the woman standing before him.
(John 8:9)

BillG · Nov 2, 2017

kennethleehutch said:

2 Corinthians 5:17-21New International Version (NIV)

17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come:[a] The old has gone, the new is here! 18 All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation: 19 that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people’s sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation. 20 We are therefore Christ’s ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. We implore you on Christ’s behalf: Be reconciled to God. 21 God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

When we repent of our sins we are cleansed by the blood of Jesus and become righteous.

Evening.

Would you mind clarying for me “become righteous?

Ta

kennethleehutch · Nov 2, 2017

Becoming righteous is being without sin. The one and only way we can become righteous is by being cleansed of our sins through the blood of Jesus. The verb used in the original Greek means that we must continuously be cleansed daily by repenting. This is not a one and done but a daily process of repenting.

kennethleehutch · Nov 2, 2017

I like your signature phrase.

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