The Rapture

[Allenbee]

Well according to pretrib rapture...ALL of these in the 35.000 plus churches, are soon "zooming" off to heaven, as the "Church".
BUT...according to scripture ALL of these divisions are collectively "Babylon the great harlot"... LED by false Christs.
The trillion dollar industry...in the name of the Lord! Jing Jing Jing...is the name of the game...the more you give the more you receive !!! (As the minister Jets off to enrichment from new fools).

Truth is...the righteous of the earth are the misled among all of these false Christs heaven teachers.
The meek will inherit the earth, and ONLY ANOINTED ONES go to heaven.
When the apostles say "WE" still alive in the last days...will be transformed in a twinkling of the eye, they are speaking about ANOINTED ONES and NOT the earthly sheep, who they rule over WITH our Lord for the Millennial reign.

So please you pretrib believers,do tell... WHY Jesus comes to earth for HIS Millennial reign...
IF all the good guys are in heaven ???

 

[Snoozy]

So please you pretrib believers,do tell... WHY Jesus comes to earth for HIS Millennial reign...
IF all the good guys are in heaven ???

bcuz the millennial reign is on earth. and we will come to earth with Jesus.

1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

when we are having the bema judgment and marriage supper of the lamb, the world is going thru tribulation like never before, then we come back with Jesus and Jesus sets up the millennial kingdom.

 

[Allenbee]

So you say you can just continue "eating and drinking and marring" in satans evil world.... to hell with the billions suffering, as "we" going to be raptured !!!

Yep...satan loves that, and is the master behind that lie to ensure you DIE in the great tribulation.

"then we come back with Jesus and Jesus sets up the millennial kingdom".

What a wonderful Noddy and Bigears convenient story, and the birds are twittering.
NOW... all you got to do is continue manipulate the word of GOD to suit that as well...RIGHT !!!


Please show the scriptures where these men of earth become angels then come back to earth as men, for our Lords Millennial reign over all nations of MANKIND !!!!!!

ONLY ANOINTED ONES are raptured AFTER the tribulation of those days.

[FONT=Arimo, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]So if you all are anointed ones who go to heaven then why aren't you doing this now;[/FONT]
[FONT=Arimo, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy, drive out demons. Freely you have received; freely give".

Well... ANSWER that, as that scripture is what the anointed CAN and did do.
IF... you believe the word of GOD.

ONLY the misled will reject end time prophesy written by ANOINTED ones;
Here is ONE of hundreds from the word of GOD...NOT a church minister...OK !

Now is this happening in heaven...or on earth ?
[/FONT][FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]And everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved; for on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there will be deliverance,as the Lord has said,even among the survivors whom the Lord calls.

Believers in our Lord will flee to the worldwide Mt Zion .
The mountain of the house of YHWH. Full stop.

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[FONT=Arimo, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]To Bible students...PLEASE read ALL of Joel 2. AND Joel 3, and ALL the word of GOD actually.
GOD'S WILL for mankind concludes at Revelation.

"The tent of GOD will be with mankind.".






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[Snoozy]

u provided no scripture for ur rambling either. never heard of this.
another strange doctrine perhaps?

 

[Endoscopy]

it just a sample of what church is, can be building can be denomination.

One of the Sample of denomination is Presbyterian.

Obviously you don't understand why so many different Presbyterian denominations. As a member of a Presbyterian Church of America and serving as elder and deacon at different times I know some of the reasons. One large one doesn't defrock ministers saying Jesus was just a good man. Others disagree with much smaller issues. Some came from other countries and wanted to remain with those from that country. Mostly the principle of not being able to agree to disagree with a very minor issue.

 

[heartofdavid]

So you say you can just continue "eating and drinking and marring" in satans evil world.... to hell with the billions suffering, as "we" going to be raptured !!!

Yep...satan loves that, and is the master behind that lie to ensure you DIE in the great tribulation.

"then we come back with Jesus and Jesus sets up the millennial kingdom".

What a wonderful Noddy and Bigears convenient story, and the birds are twittering.
NOW... all you got to do is continue manipulate the word of GOD to suit that as well...RIGHT !!!


Please show the scriptures where these men of earth become angels then come back to earth as men, for our Lords Millennial reign over all nations of MANKIND !!!!!!

ONLY ANOINTED ONES are raptured AFTER the tribulation of those days.

[FONT=Arimo, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]So if you all are anointed ones who go to heaven then why aren't you doing this now;[/FONT]
[FONT=Arimo, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy, drive out demons. Freely you have received; freely give".

Well... ANSWER that, as that scripture is what the anointed CAN and did do.
IF... you believe the word of GOD.

ONLY the misled will reject end time prophesy written by ANOINTED ones;
Here is ONE of hundreds from the word of GOD...NOT a church minister...OK !

Now is this happening in heaven...or on earth ?
[/FONT][FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]And everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved; for on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there will be deliverance,as the Lord has said,even among the survivors whom the Lord calls.

Believers in our Lord will flee to the worldwide Mt Zion .
The mountain of the house of YHWH. Full stop.

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[FONT=Arimo, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]To Bible students...PLEASE read ALL of Joel 2. AND Joel 3, and ALL the word of GOD actually.
GOD'S WILL for mankind concludes at Revelation.

"The tent of GOD will be with mankind.".






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I can tell you have never read mat 25 or rev 14

 

[heartofdavid]

all you have to do is compare Matthew 24 with revelation 6 and see that the rapture happens AFTER the tribulation. As far as tour Greek goes, this IS YET ANOTHER reason why I use the KJV only. The KJV says “the great day of His wrath IS come”. “IS” is present tense. As in after the tribulation.

Think again.
The bible says the AC kills all refusing the mark.
There will be no christians to rapture mid trib.

 

[Endoscopy]

So you say you can just continue "eating and drinking and marring" in satans evil world.... to hell with the billions suffering, as "we" going to be raptured !!!

Yep...satan loves that, and is the master behind that lie to ensure you DIE in the great tribulation.

"then we come back with Jesus and Jesus sets up the millennial kingdom".

What a wonderful Noddy and Bigears convenient story, and the birds are twittering.
NOW... all you got to do is continue manipulate the word of GOD to suit that as well...RIGHT !!!


Please show the scriptures where these men of earth become angels then come back to earth as men, for our Lords Millennial reign over all nations of MANKIND !!!!!!

ONLY ANOINTED ONES are raptured AFTER the tribulation of those days.

So if you all are anointed ones who go to heaven then why aren't you doing this now;
"Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy, drive out demons. Freely you have received; freely give".

Well... ANSWER that, as that scripture is what the anointed CAN and did do.
IF... you believe the word of GOD.

ONLY the misled will reject end time prophesy written by ANOINTED ones;
Here is ONE of hundreds from the word of GOD...NOT a church minister...OK !

Now is this happening in heaven...or on earth ?
And everyone who callson the name of the Lord will be saved; for on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there will be deliverance,as the Lord has said,even among the survivors whom the Lord calls.

Believers in our Lord will flee to the worldwide Mt Zion .
The mountain of the house of YHWH. Full stop.



To Bible students...PLEASE read ALL of Joel 2. AND Joel 3, and ALL the word of GOD actually.
GOD'S WILL for mankind concludes at Revelation.

"The tent of GOD will be with mankind.".

Our duty is to spread the gospel about Jesus dying on the cross and resurrected the third day thus saving us from our sins if we accept Him as our savior. That is all we can do. The US is becoming more secular all the time. Due to denominations not preaching the gospel less than half of the country is now Christian. More and more hatred of Christians is being mainstreamed every day.

 

[Allenbee]

I can tell you have never read mat 25 or rev 14

AND

Think again.
The bible says the AC kills all refusing the mark.
There will be no christians to rapture mid trib.

..........................................................................................

OK...lets consider both of those ;

First of all we do agree there is great tribulation ahead of us.
So it would be very convenient if we were lifted off the earth, all the bad guys killed, and then we back again.

BUT...from the end time prophets like Isaiah, Zechariah, Joel, Ezekiel etc... GOD's salvation plan if offered, AND it is instructed by our Lord immediately before the great trib at Math 24;16 and again at Rev 12;14.

Clearly believers are to flee the greater "Egypt' being satan's WORLDWIDE BABYLON...TODAY.
ONLY the rich and comfortable...DO NOT SEE the absolute endless MESS the world is in today.
NO...these prophets of God DO NOT show us coming back to the destruction of BABYLON when it's over, but rather shows that the exodus (flee), is to what will be the start of "the new heavens and new earth".
We exodus to stat the new earth, or the worldwide promised land. THIS is GOD'S WILL right from the start of creation.

SEE God's WILL ;
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

So at end time...Satan is cast out of heaven (new heavens) and the wilderness of earth is blessed to be EDEN. (New earth). Cool huh !!!

To me it's shocking how Christendom has forgotten what Jesus preached, and told all His Apostles to teach, and it IS end time prophesy.

What am I talking about ???

You see...you all are so goofed up about going to heaven, you don't even know... the good news of the Kingdom of GOD on earth.

Say the lord's prayer earnestly;

After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
10Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

.....................................................

So...I'm with the growing exodus movement to do just that.
That is what our Lord will find us doing as HE has been the shelter from the storm.

Rev 7;

1And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
15Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
16They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.
17For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.

 

[Enow]

Well according to pretrib rapture...ALL of these in the 35.000 plus churches, are soon "zooming" off to heaven, as the "Church".
BUT...according to scripture ALL of these divisions are collectively "Babylon the great harlot"... LED by false Christs.
The trillion dollar industry...in the name of the Lord! Jing Jing Jing...is the name of the game...the more you give the more you receive !!! (As the minister Jets off to enrichment from new fools).

Truth is...the righteous of the earth are the misled among all of these false Christs heaven teachers.
The meek will inherit the earth, and ONLY ANOINTED ONES go to heaven.
When the apostles say "WE" still alive in the last days...will be transformed in a twinkling of the eye, they are speaking about ANOINTED ONES and NOT the earthly sheep, who they rule over WITH our Lord for the Millennial reign.

So please you pretrib believers,do tell... WHY Jesus comes to earth for HIS Millennial reign...
IF all the good guys are in heaven ???

It is because of the falling away from the faith is why God will be judging His House first at the pre trib rapture event. That is why there will be vessels unto dishonor in His House because not every believer would have departed from iniquity at the time the Bridegroom will come, and thus be disqualified as in reprobates and the castaways as a result.

Jesus gave enough warnings on how bad the churches will be just before He comes wherein believers will just follow the crowd into iniquity and why only a few will not follow the crowd nor the church into iniquity, but follow Him instead.

Luke 18:[SUP]7 [/SUP]And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them?[SUP]8 [/SUP]I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?[SUP] 9 [/SUP]And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:

So many churches stealing the joy of our salvation by exalting themselves over the body of Christ by an extra that denies Him.

I believe in the pre trib rapture but as you have just shared, that is why God is judging His House first, brother, and so not every saved believer will be received as a vessel unto honor in His House to attend the Marriage Supper in His honor as many will be left behind at the pre trib rapture event for not discerning iniquity with Him as their Good Shepherd to help them lay aside every weight & sin in running that race by faith in Him to be received by Him at the pre trib rapture event.

 

[Endoscopy]

It is because of the falling away from the faith is why God will be judging His House first at the pre trib rapture event. That is why there will be vessels unto dishonor in His House because not every believer would have departed from iniquity at the time the Bridegroom will come, and thus be disqualified as in reprobates and the castaways as a result.

Jesus gave enough warnings on how bad the churches will be just before He comes wherein believers will just follow the crowd into iniquity and why only a few will not follow the crowd nor the church into iniquity, but follow Him instead.

Luke 18:[SUP]7 [/SUP]And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them?[SUP]8 [/SUP]I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?[SUP] 9 [/SUP]And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:

So many churches stealing the joy of our salvation by exalting themselves over the body of Christ by an extra that denies Him.

I believe in the pre trib rapture but as you have just shared, that is why God is judging His House first, brother, and so not every saved believer will be received as a vessel unto honor in His House to attend the Marriage Supper in His honor as many will be left behind at the pre trib rapture event for not discerning iniquity with Him as their Good Shepherd to help them lay aside every weight & sin in running that race by faith in Him to be received by Him at the pre trib rapture event.

It is obvious that there's a big falling away going on today. The seven main protestant denominations have been taken over by secular people in power. For example the Presbyterian USA no longer defrocks ministers that openly reject the reason Jesus died on the cross. Each of the seven has other denominations that split off to be with other believing churches. Presbyterian Church of America for example. I go to one of those churches.

 

[Endoscopy]

I can tell you have never read mat 25 or rev 14

AND

Think again.
The bible says the AC kills all refusing the mark.
There will be no christians to rapture mid trib.

..........................................................................................

OK...lets consider both of those ;

First of all we do agree there is great tribulation ahead of us.
So it would be very convenient if we were lifted off the earth, all the bad guys killed, and then we back again.

BUT...from the end time prophets like Isaiah, Zechariah, Joel, Ezekiel etc... GOD's salvation plan if offered, AND it is instructed by our Lord immediately before the great trib at Math 24;16 and again at Rev 12;14.

Clearly believers are to flee the greater "Egypt' being satan's WORLDWIDE BABYLON...TODAY.
ONLY the rich and comfortable...DO NOT SEE the absolute endless MESS the world is in today.
NO...these prophets of God DO NOT show us coming back to the destruction of BABYLON when it's over, but rather shows that the exodus (flee), is to what will be the start of "the new heavens and new earth".
We exodus to stat the new earth, or the worldwide promised land. THIS is GOD'S WILL right from the start of creation.

SEE God's WILL ;
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

So at end time...Satan is cast out of heaven (new heavens) and the wilderness of earth is blessed to be EDEN. (New earth). Cool huh !!!

To me it's shocking how Christendom has forgotten what Jesus preached, and told all His Apostles to teach, and it IS end time prophesy.

What am I talking about ???

You see...you all are so goofed up about going to heaven, you don't even know... the good news of the Kingdom of GOD on earth.

Say the lord's prayer earnestly;

After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
10Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

.....................................................

So...I'm with the growing exodus movement to do just that.
That is what our Lord will find us doing as HE has been the shelter from the storm.

Rev 7;

1And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
15Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
16They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.
17For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.

You are getting into the very nebulous part of the Bible, eschatology. There are 4 different views that theologians over the centuries have come up with. Having researched it myself and been in classes for elders about it I find the timeline as clear as mud.

I take the pan view. It will all pan out in the end.

 

[Allenbee]

Yes ENDOSCOPY...and thank you.
For sure it will pan out in the end. GOD will do what GOD will do.NOT what man is comfortable with !!!
BUT... what do you think of Daniel 12 ???
End time prophesy for sure...RIGHT !!!
AND...ENLIGHTENMENT to come at end time...don't you think ???
SEE we ARE to study eschatology, AND share understandings.
So this Christianchat is truly a blessing AND deserving of support.

SEE we believers CAN find the truth...at end time ;

And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
2And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
3And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.
4But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased. (So...THAT is why we share what we know and learn as we go.
As for me...I am testing my present belief by sharing what I truly believe... from study).
5Then I Daniel looked, and, behold, there stood other two, the one on this side of the bank of the river, and the other on that side of the bank of the river.
6And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?
7And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.
8And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?
9And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

(Yes... most of us believe that time is NOW !!! So... the TRUTH can be found NOW at last).
10Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
11And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
12Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
13But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.

(SEE...TWO destinations...Heaven or earth. Both great...GOD is good).

 

[Endoscopy]

Yes ENDOSCOPY...and thank you.
For sure it will pan out in the end. GOD will do what GOD will do.NOT what man is comfortable with !!!
BUT... what do you think of Daniel 12 ???
End time prophesy for sure...RIGHT !!!
AND...ENLIGHTENMENT to come at end time...don't you think ???
SEE we ARE to study eschatology, AND share understandings.
So this Christianchat is truly a blessing AND deserving of support.

SEE we believers CAN find the truth...at end time ;

And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
2And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
3And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.
4But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased. (So...THAT is why we share what we know and learn as we go.
As for me...I am testing my present belief by sharing what I truly believe... from study).
5Then I Daniel looked, and, behold, there stood other two, the one on this side of the bank of the river, and the other on that side of the bank of the river.
6And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?
7And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.
8And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?
9And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

(Yes... most of us believe that time is NOW !!! So... the TRUTH can be found NOW at last).
10Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
11And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
12Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
13But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.

(SEE...TWO destinations...Heaven or earth. Both great...GOD is good).

You highlighted the pertinent verse 4 and 9. I have read several concepts of the start and end of the time times and half a time. Also the 1290 and 1335 days. Different theologians have come up with different starting and ending times. Don't you just love it is sealed so it is clear as mud. The text gives clues but it is sealed. Keep in mind that it is part of all of the end times verses and has to be considered with them. Eschatology is such fun with the 4 major eschatologyical views. What other parts of scripture has so many widely divergent views.

 

[Jackson123]

Think again.
The bible says the AC kills all refusing the mark.
There will be no christians to rapture mid trib.

Rev 13

9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.
10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.


I believe not all Christian killed, same may hide some caught, among the caught, some are kill and some go to prison but not kill

 

[Endoscopy]

[h=1]John 14New International Version (NIV)[/h][h=3]Jesus Comforts His Disciples[/h][FONT=&quot]14 “Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God[a]; believe also in me. 2 My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. 4 You know the way to the place where I am going.”

We are supposed to be with Jesus. Jesus is to rule on earth. So where will the Father's house be? I just love eschatology since it is so clear. Did I tell you I have a bridge for sale. It connects to Brooklyn. And yes my logic is correct. It is not the case that the antecedent is true and the consequent is false. Took me a while in a logic class to understand that sentence. Thus it is burned into my brain. [/FONT]

 

[SovereignGrace]

Think again.
The bible says the AC kills all refusing the mark.
There will be no christians to rapture mid trib.

And no true believer will take the mark, and would die before doing so. That shows me the believers are still here when the AC is here. Sounds like post-trib to me.

 

[Hizikyah]

2 Timothy 2:19, "However, the solid foundation of Yah stands firm, having this seal*, “ יהוה knows those who are His, Let everyone who names the Name of Messiah turn away from unrighteousness.”

Strong's Concordance *"seal"is word #G4973 - sphragis: a seal, a signet, Original Word: σφραγίς, ῖδος, ἡ, Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine, Transliteration: sphragis, Phonetic Spelling: (sfrag-ece'), Short Definition: a signet-ring, impression of a seal, the proof, Definition: a seal, signet ring, the impression of a seal, that which the seal attests, the proof.

The word “unrighteousness” is word #G93 ἀδικία – adikia, ad-ee-kee'-ah, (legal) injustice (properly the quality, by implication the act); moral wrongfulness (of charter, life or act):—iniquity, unjust, unrighteousness, wrong.

1 John 5:17, "All unrighteousness is sin, and there is a sin not unto death."​

1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."

Exodus 13:9, “And it shall be as a *sign to you on your hand and as a reminder between your eyes, that the Torah (Instructions/Law) of יהוה is to be in your mouth, for with a strong hand יהוה has brought you out of Mitsrayim.”

The word *Sign is word #H226 – owth from Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, Hebrew Dictionary: meaning mark, token, sign, consent, flag, evidence of consent.

H226 אוֹת 'owth (oth), a signal (literally or figuratively), as a flag, beacon, monument, omen, prodigy, evidence, etc., [probably from H225 (in the sense of appearing)], KJV: mark, miracle, (en-)sign, token.

So we see the word “sign” can be also translated as “mark” and this sign/mark represents “evidence of consent.” It is also key to notice that this mark/sign/evidence of consent is “on your hand and as a reminder between your eyes.” Now in Scripture “on your hand” means by your actions or what you do with the power/choices you have in your life. A “reminder between your eyes” would be your brain, thoughts or faith, after all what do you remember with that is in between your eyes? Your brain. So to put “on your hand and as a reminder between your eyes” into simpler terms it could be by your works and faith.

I repeat:

Exodus 13:9, “...a *sign to you on your hand and as a reminder between your eyes, that the Torah (Instructions/Law) of יהוה is to be in your mouth..."

upon your hand and as a reminder between your eyes,

...Hand and head… the beast has a counter mark: Also in the hand and head

Revelation 14:9-11, And a third messenger followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark upon his forehead or upon his hand, he also shall drink of the wine of the wrath of Yah, which is poured out undiluted into the cup of His wrath. And he shall be tortured with fire and sulfur before the set-apart messengers and before the Lamb. And the smoke of their torture goes up forever and ever. And they have no rest day or night, those worshiping the beast and his image, also if anyone receives the mark of his name.”

For we can see the end time anti-Messiah will be "the Lawless one"

2 Thessalonians 2:6-12, "For the mystery of iniquity (secret initiation of lawlessness*) is already working, but the One restraining him will continue to restrain him, until he is made to appear in the midst. And then that lawless one will be revealed, whom Yahshua will remove with the breath of His mouth, and make powerless with the appearance of His coming-- Whose coming is according to the energy of Satan, who works with all power, and signs, and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of sin in those who are perishing, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason, YHWH will send them strong delusion, that they would believe the deception, In order that all those may be judged as not having believed the truth, but as having delighted in sin."

But what exactly is the “mystery of iniquity?”

3466 - mustérion: a mystery or secret doctrine, Short Definition: anything hidden, a mystery, Definition: a mystery, secret, of which initiation is necessary

458 - anomia: lawlessness, Short Definition: lawlessness, iniquity, Definition: lawlessness, iniquity, disobedience, sin​

 

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And no true believer will take the mark, and would die before doing so. That shows me the believers are still here when the AC is here. Sounds like post-trib to me.

My mother was an RN and got a laugh out of a doctor when he got angry with people disagreeing with him. He would say, "You arguefy and sputify and know not wherein!" that phrase to me sums up discussing details about eschatology. It is murky and much is sealed like it states in Daniel.

 

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I'm 73 and when I was 13 and older I remember people pointing out things happening 60 years ago thinking the tribulation had started. Oops. They got it wrong. I turn a deaf ear to it now. I see signs that preparation is possibly happening but who really knows. In the 60s the country was a great majority Christian. Today less than half keeping in mind the 7 sisters are mostly secular. Presbyterian USA refuses to defrock ministers that say they don't believe Jesus was more than a good man. Same with the other 6.